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IB Adds Flights To BOG, MVD And CCS  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Spanish carrier Iberia will increase flights to Latin America adding capacity to BOG, MVD and CCS:

>> MAD-BOG: from daily to 11 weekly flights;
>> MAD-MVD: from 6 weekly to daily flights;
>> MAD-CCS: 20% capacity increase with use of A340-600

IB will also increase flights MAD-JFK to 13 weekly.

Iberia is leader in the number of flights per week between Europe and Latin America, with nearly 250 flights to 17 destinations.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4994 times:
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Hi there,

any date scheduled for the start of new flights? And aircrafts to make these "new flights" will come from the stored planes at TLS and LDE?

Any notice about starting flights to ASU and VVI? I think I have read somewhere that IB were planning to start it...

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
>> MAD-BOG: from daily to 11 weekly flights;

Just a note: This is only from 12th December to 14th January then it goes back to daily (I assume it's also just a seasonal increase in the other cases). Iberia operated 11 weekly frequencies in 2008, but it has withdrawn capacity to Colombia, as Avianca has increased it. In fact, AV has gained a lot of share in the Spain -Colombia market. Last month it was 60%, an increase of 15 points over October 2008.

Divesification of routes has done AV well (more flights to BCN and from CLO to MAD), and that is a strategy that IB should follow: Operate to other cities in Colombia and not just Bogota. Medellin should be the first one in their sight.

[Edited 2009-11-24 06:51:30]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

This is only for the holidays.


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4651 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
Iberia operated 11 weekly frequencies in 2008, but it has withdrawn capacity to Colombia, as Avianca has increased it. In fact, AV has gained a lot of share in the Spain -Colombia market. Last month it was 60%, an increase of 15 points over October 2008.

Thanks for the useful information. AV product has also improved and AV uses the A332 featuring the new business class on the 2 daily BOG-MAD.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Any notice about starting flights to ASU and VVI?

No news regarding ASU and VVI. Aerosur has started VVI-MAD B747 3 x week this week. Dont ask me how long will it last.

Rgs,


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4563 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
Aerosur has started VVI-MAD B747 3 x week this week. Dont ask me how long will it last.

Aerosur has been operating that route for about 2-3 years now. They just acquired a 744 to replace the 743 that used to operate the route.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4530 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Aerosur has been operating that route for about 2-3 years now. They just acquired a 744 to replace the 743 that used to operate the route.

Sure, my doubt was more related to the newly acquited B747 which in my view was a mistake. While 5L has acquired a B747 they still have a B767 INOP in MIA which means VVI-MIA is operated with a stop-over with the B722/B732.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4471 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
They just acquired a 744 to replace the 743 that used to operate the route.

And that plane is nicknamed in Spanish as "Super-Torísimo": Mighty Bull.
A7 Air Comet from Spain also flies the same route: MAD-VVI.

Regards.



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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4326 times:

With what airplanes? I thought IB's widebody fleet was already stretched thin. So is this perhaps an indication that they will finally take delivery of their 3 stored A346's?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):

Sure, my doubt was more related to the newly acquited B747 which in my view was a mistake.

It's replacing a 743. It's not like they never had a 747 before, they've been flying a 747 between Bolivia and Madrid for a while. Now they have a likely more fuel efficient and reliable 744 instead of a 743.

Although agreed they need to do something about the 767 ASAP.

[Edited 2009-11-24 15:04:07]


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4297 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 8):
With what airplanes? I thought IB's widebody fleet was already stretched thin. So is this perhaps an indication that they will finally take delivery of their 3 stored A346's?

This increase in frequencies is only for 5 weeks or so, and then all goes back to normal.
I guess that IB can afford these additional frequencies by not having scheduled significant maintenance to its A340s during the holidays.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3936 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 10):
This increase in frequencies is only for 5 weeks or so, and then all goes back to normal.
I guess that IB can afford these additional frequencies by not having scheduled significant maintenance to its A340s during the holidays.

Certainly the increase in capacity/frequency will be to markets which have reacted better so far. We can see that IB decided to respond to markets which usually have more demand during this 2-month period.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
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Hardi, thanks for the info.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 10):
I guess that IB can afford these additional frequencies by not having scheduled significant maintenance to its A340s during the holidays

We can believe that 1 or 2 A346 might be used to allow this. Travel demand is increasing and for sure using the A346's are good alternatives



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3753 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
We can believe that 1 or 2 A346 might be used to allow this. Travel demand is increasing and for sure using the A346's are good alternatives

The increase in frequencies is only for the holiday season, not a permanent move.
I do hope that IB deploys more A346s that it has warehoused, but it does not look to me as if it will be for this end of year. Perpahs for Summer 2010 and beyond.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3649 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
No news regarding ASU and VVI. Aerosur has started VVI-MAD B747 3 x week this week. Dont ask me how long will it last.

I think we will see VVI as soon as Air comet cease of operation, we could even see with IB A330 because they are waiting to buy Air Comet new A330.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 13):
The increase in frequencies is only for the holiday season, not a permanent move.
I do hope that IB deploys more A346s that it has warehoused, but it does not look to me as if it will be for this end of year. Perpahs for Summer 2010 and beyond.

I have flown to Havana several times in the last years in UX and IB and the planes are always full in both cabins. I don´t know why they don´t use A346 for the route. Actually AF uses B773 CIO and VS B744.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
Divesification of routes has done AV well (more flights to BCN and from CLO to MAD), and that is a strategy that IB should follow: Operate to other cities in Colombia and not just Bogota. Medellin should be the first one in their sight.

I have been telling the same for the last years and not only in Colombia also in Mexico, they could add some new non-stop destinations such, Medellin, Cali, Monterrey, Cancun (now operated by Iberworld A333). but maybe IB planes are not the right size for the flights, they are too big. AV uses B767.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3466 times:
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Quoting Summa767 (Reply 13):
The increase in frequencies is only for the holiday season, not a permanent move.
I do hope that IB deploys more A346s that it has warehoused, but it does not look to me as if it will be for this end of year. Perpahs for Summer 2010 and beyond.

Thanks Summa767. It looks like AA will also increase flights US-Spain for Summer 2010. Lets wait and see what IB will do with the A346 frames. They could use 1 frame to allow overnight flights to Rio de Janeiro where nowadays they offer MAD-GIG as daylight.
 Smile



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3444 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 14):

I have flown to Havana several times in the last years in UX and IB and the planes are always full in both cabins. I don´t know why they don´t use A346 for the route.

However what is the yield to this destination? IB fares to Latin America are the lowest ex Europe (this includes both Y and C class fares). Travel demand may be high, If yield is low than why increase capacity? The A346 has 50% more C class seats to fill than a A343 and around 50 Y class seats. Filling the Y class will probably not a be a big problem, but filling the C class seats will. Unlike AF IB does not have multiple cabin lay outs for their aircraft types (which of the 777-300s is AF sending to HAV, the one without F or with F?). The same applies to other destinations. IB is looking at smaller aircraft not aircraft like A346 or A343 as these have too much capacity.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 14):
maybe IB planes are not the right size for the flights, they are too big. AV uses B767

Actually, AV uses mostly A330s on its flights to Spain: Out of 17 weekly frequencies, 14 are with A330s with 252 seats.

IB's plan is to introduce A330s, though this could be as late as 2012. This type will be useful for the Caribbean, Central and North America mainly.
I trust that that we will see expansion before the A330s arrive, with the stored A340s.
Monterrey, Guadalajara,, Medellin, Cordoba and perhaps more of Brazil.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3275 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 14):
we will see VVI as soon as Air comet cease of operation, we could even see with IB A330 because they are waiting to buy Air Comet new A330

I've heard some talks related to IB in Asuncion, Paraguay when the upcoming new era of 330s would come into force.




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Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 14):
flown to Havana several times in the last years in UX and IB and the planes are always full in both cabins. I don´t know why they don´t use A346 for the route

It's amazing how IB is operating healthy flights to HAV.
One should think that this Caribbean destination is suitable to IberWorld pattern instead, like other leisure stations like Punta Cana, Aswan and Cancun. However, the business model utilized by IB mainline is apparently better considering how their 340s are getting a profitable venture there.
By the way, Air Europa, Cubana and Air Comet are also flying the same route.

Regards.



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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

I must say that if you have a look to IB web, It is not easy to find a cheap fare to HAV or and offer, and believe me they are always full........always.......both cabins....lots of business man, governtment personal to Cuba, tourist as well.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
IB's plan is to introduce A330s, though this could be as late as 2012. This type will be useful for the Caribbean, Central and North America mainly.

One month ago IB made an offer to A7 for their new A330, but they didn´t accept, although this planes will fly for IB if they close the airline.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
Actually, AV uses mostly A330s on its flights to Spain: Out of 17 weekly frequencies, 14 are with A330s with 252 seats.

True, and it has been a real stead ahead, because now they are atracting more people, and the product has been improbed as well.

Quoting LJ (Reply 16):
The A346 has 50% more C class seats to fill than a A343 and around 50 Y class seats.

IB A343 42/218
IB A346 52/291
UX A332 24/270
AV A332 30/222

Quoting LJ (Reply 16):
(which of the 777-300s is AF sending to HAV, the one without F or with F?)

They are sending B773 v2 14/36/422 awful config.....before was B747CIO 17/457

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Thanks Summa767. It looks like AA will also increase flights US-Spain for Summer 2010. Lets wait and see what IB will do with the A346 frames. They could use 1 frame to allow overnight flights to Rio de Janeiro where nowadays they offer MAD-GIG as daylight.

Yes if they want to attract higher yields they should change the schedule or add a red eye flight to Rio.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
By the way, Air Europa, Cubana and Air Comet are also flying the same route.

Yes and I think all of them are doing very good in the route.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 19):

IB A343 42/218
IB A346 52/291

So far the capacity has been:

IB A343 42/218 = 260
IB A346 52/300 = 352

Currently IB is removing an entire row of Business Plus seats from each A340 in order to increase seat pitch and allow them to become 100% flat seats, and not angled lie flat as they have been so far. They hope to attract more J passengers with this, even though they're already the Europe-LatAm leaders with a 23% market share in Business Class.

After this slight modification (which is expected to be finished on all aircraft by March 2010) the capacity will be:

A343 36/218 = 254
A346 46/300 = 346



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3011 times:



Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 20):
Currently IB is removing an entire row of Business Plus seats from each A340 in order to increase seat pitch and allow them to become 100% flat seats, and not angled lie flat as they have been so far. They hope to attract more J passengers with this, even though they're already the Europe-LatAm leaders with a 23% market share in Business Class.

This is a smart move by IB which has consistently improved its product over the years. The enhanced J product will certainlu improve IB positioning in highly competitive markets such as GRU, EZE, JFK, BOG, LIM, etc.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Lets wait and see what IB will do with the A346 frames. They could use 1 frame to allow overnight flights to Rio de Janeiro where nowadays they offer MAD-GIG as daylight.



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 19):
Yes if they want to attract higher yields they should change the schedule or add a red eye flight to Rio.

IB also upgraded MAD-GIG from 6 weely to daily.

As you said, improving the schedule to red-eye would certainly attract higher yields.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
It's amazing how IB is operating healthy flights to HAV.



Quoting LJ (Reply 16):
(which of the 777-300s is AF sending to HAV, the one without F or with F?).



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 14):
I have flown to Havana several times in the last years in UX and IB and the planes are always full in both cabins. I don´t know why they don´t use A346 for the route. Actually AF uses B773 CIO and VS B744.

AF B777-300 used in CDG-HAV is very low yielding, high density with 472 seats configured with only 14C seats and no F cabin.

Quoting LJ (Reply 16):
IB fares to Latin America are the lowest ex Europe (this includes both Y and C class fares). Travel demand may be high, If yield is low than why increase capacity?

IB has the advantage of MAD geographical hub location therefore it could offer more competitive fares, the same about TAP to Brazil.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2836 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):

Quoting LJ (Reply 16):
IB fares to Latin America are the lowest ex Europe (this includes both Y and C class fares). Travel demand may be high, If yield is low than why increase capacity?

IB has the advantage of MAD geographical hub location therefore it could offer more competitive fares, the same about TAP to Brazil.

I don´t see how the geographical location of MAD could result in lower fares. Given IB´s location one would expect higher fares as travel times are lower.... Moreover given the local traffic between MAD and Latin America one would expect that it would be hard to find good deals on IB... Yes they do have much competition, but it´s more difficult to get on AF or LH then on IB

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
AF B777-300 used in CDG-HAV is very low yielding, high density with 472 seats configured with only 14C seats and no F cabin.

Thus I reckon that HAV is not a high yield destination and as such not a candidate for the A346. You don´t send an aircraft with almost 25% (my mistake in the previous post) more C-class when it can´t be filled.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2637 times:



Quoting LJ (Reply 22):
I don´t see how the geographical location of MAD could result in lower fares. Given IB´s location one would expect higher fares as travel times are lower.... Moreover given the local traffic between MAD and Latin America one would expect that it would be hard to find good deals on IB... Yes they do have much competition, but it´s more difficult to get on AF or LH then on IB

MAD geographical location closer to Latin America means flight times are less therefore less fuel is used and therefore lower fares can be charged. In addition IB also has the economies of scale to the region which again allows it to offer lower fares. The same happens with TAP as I mentioned above.

You may note however that MAD-Sotuh America O&D fares are higher, IB does what other airlines also do: charge lower fares for markets outside its location.

Quoting LJ (Reply 22):
Thus I reckon that HAV is not a high yield destination and as such not a candidate for the A346. You don´t send an aircraft with almost 25% (my mistake in the previous post) more C-class when it can´t be filled.

I am not so sure. AF also operates the B747 in HAV. Also note that perhaps IB could extract better yields from the HAV markets because Spain is the no. 1 investor in Cuba.

Rgs @ NBO


User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2487 times:



Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 20):
Currently IB is removing an entire row of Business Plus seats from each A340 in order to increase seat pitch and allow them to become 100% flat seats, and not angled lie flat as they have been so far. They hope to attract more J passengers with this, even though they're already the Europe-LatAm leaders with a 23% market share in Business Class

They are doing a very good job on BusinessPlus to and from BOG. I flew two weeks ago from BOG to MAD and from MAD to BOG on the A346 and in both ways J cabin was completely full. A friend, who was flying on J on the same route, tried to change his flight dates and it was impossible because the flights were full on J.

Consider that the first two weeks of November are not precisely high season.


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