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Where's BA New First Cabin?  
User currently offlineNclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

I had read that BA was meant to be refitting their First cabins as of September 2009 - still no changes apart from the washbag I hear!

Any ideas what is going to happen, and what it'll look like (and when?!)

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6686 times:



Quoting Nclmedic (Thread starter):

I'd be interested in this too... I'm sure someone who has flown BA F or C can elaborate/correct me, but I've been wondering if there's really THAT much difference between the classes' onboard product?


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

It is due to appear in January

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

I have sat in the new First seat....

Due for launch and roll out in 2010.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6369 times:



Quoting Nclmedic (Thread starter):
Where's BA New First Cabin?

In the front of the plane.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6351 times:



Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 4):
Quoting Nclmedic (Thread starter):
Where's BA New First Cabin?

In the front of the plane.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

If the question had been asked before jets arrived in the late '50s, your answer would have been "at the rear of the plane", where F class was on propeller aircraft since it was the quietest part, opposite to jets.  Smile


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6343 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

If the question had been asked before jets arrived in the late '50s, your answer would have been "at the rear of the plane", where F class was on propeller aircraft since it was the quietest part, opposite to jets. Smile

Thanks. I did not know that. Did they actually call it First Class back then?


User currently offlineNclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6305 times:



Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 3):
I have sat in the new First seat....

And how was it? Much different to the current model?

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
I've been wondering if there's really THAT much difference between the classes' onboard product?

As far as people tell me, F is superior in terms of its service and staff:passenger ratio so you get more attention if you want it. I THINK the PTV screens are meant to be bigger in J with the current configurations?! F is definitely in need of updating as looks pretty drab. New J seats def look fresher.

While everyone eagerly awaits the new F for BA, I've heard a lot of talk re it never being able to live up to the likes of EK, EY, QR (which may be the case in terms of the unadulterated luxury factor) but nothing will ever replace the brilliant BA crew in my opinion! Simply unrivaled anywhere else in the world - and yes I have flown on SQ/MH!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6275 times:



Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

If the question had been asked before jets arrived in the late '50s, your answer would have been "at the rear of the plane", where F class was on propeller aircraft since it was the quietest part, opposite to jets. Smile

Thanks. I did not know that. Did they actually call it First Class back then?

Yes, the term First Class hasn't changed since the early days, but what is now Economy Class was generally called Tourist Class in the propeller era. The term Economy arrived with the early jets. At least on international routes, until 1952 everything was First Class. That's when Tourist Class first arrived on the scene.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6264 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Yes, the term First Class hasn't changed since the early days, but what is now Economy Class was generally called Tourist Class in the propeller era. The term Economy arrived with the early jets. At least on international routes, until 1952 everything was First Class. That's when Tourist Class first arrived on the scene.

Once again thanks for the info.
Now stop teaching me new stuff so I don't have to keep thanking you!


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6070 times:



Quoting Nclmedic (Thread starter):
Where's BA New First Cabin?

Currently in BA's Crew Report Center in T5! lol!

A mock up has been set up but you have to sign your life away in a confidentiality form before going in to view it!

I will say this however...it is a SIGNIFICANT AND EXCITING improvement (coming from a cynical employee). It may not be all bells and whistles like Jet, SQ Suites etc but it is a vast step up from the current offering. Very private all the same. With some excellent touches such as lighting and windows (ill say no more about the windows)!

It will look great. I believe the 777 fleet will be the first to get the full refit and then the 747 fleet will go in for the refurb. I also believe the first aircraft is due to be rolled out early January however an "official" launch will not be made until over 50% of the fleet is converted as was the case with the New Club World cabin!



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6059 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
With some excellent touches such as lighting and windows (ill say no more about the windows)!

Let me guess: LED lighting (with mood lighting maybe) and 787 style dimmer switches on the windows.



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User currently offlineTim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5647 times:

As Tonystan says we have all signed a confidentially agreement so instead of all sitting here sumising as to whether it'll have this or whether it'll have that... you'll have to just wait and see... patience is a virtue...

Although I would agree with the fact (and this is from another cynical BA employee) that it does look very nice for the passenger


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5258 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
I'd be interested in this too... I'm sure someone who has flown BA F or C can elaborate/correct me, but I've been wondering if there's really THAT much difference between the classes' onboard product?

Having experienced both J and F on BA long-haul - I can confidently state that the difference is BIG. The level of service is much better in FIRST, the amount of space is much better and overall, the cabin is roomier, quieter... Everything is better. Some people who have only fown in J may think that there's not a big difference but you won't know the difference until you experience both products.

I'm sure once the new F is rolled out, there'll be an even bigger difference than there is now. Can't wait. Too bad F isn't doing well now... Hope that changes over the next coming years or this investment for BA might not work out well with many other carriers completely cutting First class out of their business models.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5155 times:
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Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
I'm sure once the new F is rolled out, there'll be an even bigger difference than there is now. Can't wait. Too bad F isn't doing well now... Hope that changes over the next coming years or this investment for BA might not work out well with many other carriers completely cutting First class out of their business models.

While the reccession has downgraded passengers from FIRST, BA's First Class was introduced in 1996. The competition has caught up with suites in some cases and many J-class products now have flat reciling seats.

PRIME better hit a grand slam home run, the expectations are HUGE.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4683 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
The level of service is much better in FIRST, the amount of space is much better and overall, the cabin is roomier, quieter...

- add to this dedicated (I'd say, very dedicated  Smile) check-in area and Concorde room for First passengers separate from First lounge for elite FF members and such, which, in turn, is separate from Club lounge - and all three are different.

Quoting Nclmedic (Reply 7):
I've heard a lot of talk re it never being able to live up to the likes of EK, EY, QR

- meaning, no train-like compartment insanity  Smile.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
it is a SIGNIFICANT AND EXCITING improvement

- great to hear this. BTW, I'm glad I've flown in old (current) F cabin, which to me looked not "obsolete" at all but rather classy and classic.


User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Its all about taste really and we all have different tastes.

For me the SQ "R" suite seats are just too wide to be comfortable as anything other than a bed. Sometimes less can be more!!

Also EK F is a bit tacky - great TV etc but lots of touches that would be at home in a good brothel!!

I dont like to be enclosed in a box, I want to know I am flying

The new BA product is not a major transformation from the current seat (that seat has lasted 13 years and as the first fully flat bed in F on any carrier has a significance to the evolution of the whole industry) and continues to be a fine seat. Its shortcomings are more to do with the evolution of on board electronics and IFE than the seat itself and retrofitting electronics is a complex task

Expect a degree more privacy, a totaly new feel to the ambience of the cabin and improved electronics (which may explain why 777 fleet first rather than the older problematic 744s which struggle still with the retrofit of AVOD)

Think understated class rather than "in your face new money "

Refreshingly different and subtle but without doubt first class


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Can we expect to see an increase in price on BA flights with the NEW First cabin verse the old?


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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

I don't think so: for quite a while both old and new First cabins will be around, with a chance for a given flight to get any of them with equipment change.

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

I think the new F has the CW styled colours in the cabin judging by the investment booklet on the website.

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3658 times:



Quoting Nclmedic (Reply 7):
Much different to the current model?

Think of the new Club World...

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
With some excellent touches such as lighting and windows (ill say no more about the windows)!

What do JAL have in their windows for F passengers?

Quoting RIX (Reply 15):
to me looked not "obsolete" at all but rather classy and classic.

Agree current version is classy and classic. Not sure the new cabin is though.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 19):
I think the new F has the CW styled colours in the cabin judging by the investment booklet on the website.

Good guess...



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User currently offlineBojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 3341 times:



Quoting BA174 (Reply 19):
I think the new F has the CW styled colours in the cabin judging by the investment booklet on the website.

No the colour 'palette' (ha!) is completely different, much, much warmer. To me the most significant difference is actually the softer stuff such as stying, colours, window design etc. The seat is essentially an intuitive evolution of the current seat, albeit grealy improved.
As for price raising, this is not going to be a pressing need for BA as they have decided not to reduce the number of seats. Whilst many have criticised this move, in the current economc climate this looks like a smart decision. When new F is unveiled it is not going to 'wow' like, well, pretty much every other airlines new F since EK got the ball rolling on the 340-500. However, I'm coming round to the idea that BA have struck the right balance between offering something new and improved for the customer, whilst still making it economically viable for us to offer.Time will tell, I suppose.


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1619 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 3161 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
A mock up has been set up but you have to sign your life away in a confidentiality form before going in to view it!

Someone has already leeked this product - there was another thread with a picture of the new BA F class product here on a.net a while back... see post number 8, in this thread:

BA: We're Upgrading First (by Qantasistheway Apr 6 2009 in Civil Aviation)


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