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OAG Changes 11/26/09: BIG DL/NW/US+AA/AS/F9/YV/YX  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

I thought it might be quiet this week, BUT NO. Huge change from DL/NW and US. Each appear to be prepping for the LGA/DCA swap. My fingers are tired! I may take next week off as the American holiday will probably make it a light week next week.


This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
AAA-BBB 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

There was a lot to type, so please take it easy on any typos...


AA
DFW-CID 6>5 JAN-
DFW-LIT 11>12 JAN-MAR
DFW-MKE 3>5 JAN- (FL RESPONSE)
MIA-EZE 2>10/WK APR-

AS
FAI-SEA 4>5 MAR-MAY

DL
A lot of cuts in FL markets, strategy change? Buy some FL stock!  Smile
ATL-BCN STARTS DAILY IN MAY INSTEAD OF MAR
ATL-BGI 5/WK>4/WK MAR
ATL-BTR 6>7 FEB-
ATL-BWI 11>10 FEB-
ATL-CAK 7>6 FEB-
ATL-CHS 12>10 FEB- (FL CLOSING CHS)
ATL-CLT 11>10 FEB-
ATL-DAY 9>7 FEB-
ATL-FAY 10>9 FEB-
ATL-FNT 6>5 FEB-
ATL-GNV 8>7 FEB-
ATL-GSP 10>11 FEB-
ATL-IAD 10>8 FEB-
ATL-IND 9>8 FEB-
ATL-MCI 9>8 FEB-
ATL-MCO 19>17 FEB-
ATL-MGM 8>7 FEB-
ATL-MSY 11>12 FEB-
ATL-PHF 8>7 FEB-
ATL-PIT 10>9 FEB-
ATL-RDU 12>11 FEB-
ATL-RIC 9>8 FEB-
ATL-SAN 6>5 FEB-APR
ATL-SAV 11>10 FEB-
ATL-SYR 3>4 FEB-APR
ATL-TUL 5>4 FEB-
ATL-XNA 5>6 FEB-
ATL-YUL 3>4 FEB-
BDL-PBI 0>1 FEB-APR XFER FROM NW; RESUMES NW MAY-
BDL-RSW 0>1 FEB-APR XFER FROM NW; APPEARS DROPPED AFTER MAY-
BOS-PBI 0>1 FEB-APR XFER FROM NW; APPEARS DROPPED AFTER MAY-
BOS-RSW 0>1 FEB-APR XFER FROM NW; APPEARS DROPPED AFTER MAY-
BOS-MCO 4>3 FEB-APR
BOS-RDU 4>3 JAN-
BOS-TPA 3>2 FEB-
CVG-IND 4>3 FEB-
CVG-MIA 2>1 FEB-APR
JFK-POS 1>4/WK MAR-
LAX-PVR 2/WK>1/WK MAR-APR
LGA-BHM 3>2 FEB-
LGA-CHS 5>4 FEB-
SLC-ELP 2>1 FEB-
SLC-FCA 4>3 FEB-
SLC-IAH 5>4 FEB-
SLC-OAK 6>7 FEB-

F9
DEN-SLC 8>7 JAN- (REVERSES LAST WEEK'S CHG?)

NW
BDL-PBI/RSW; BOS-PBI/RSW SEE DL ABOVE
DTW-DAY 5>4 FEB-
DTW-MCI 4>5 FEB-
DTW-MKG 2>0 FEB-
DTW-MSN 5>6 FEB-
DTW-YUL 4>5 FEB-
MEM-CHS 1>0 FEB-
MEM-CUN 2>1 FEB-
MEM-GSO 1>0 FEB-
MEM-ICT 3>2 FEB-
MEM-MFE 3>2 FEB-
MEM-PAH 2>0 FEB-
MSP-CID 5>4 FEB-
MSP-CMX 3>0 MAR-
MSP-EAU 2>0 MAR-
MSP-MLI 3>2 FEB-
MSP-OMA 7>6 MAR-
MSP-RHI 2>3 MAR-

UA
BOI-SFO 5>4 APR-
ASE-DEN 9>7 APR, 8>6 MAY
DEN-DRO 7>8 APR-
ORD-CVG 7>8 APR-
ORD-FCO 0>1 MAY-
ORD-OKC 4>5 FEB-

US
BOS-ALB 3>2 FEB-
BOS-PIT 5>3 FEB-
BOS-ROC 4>3 FEB-
CLT-CAE 8>7 FEB-
CLT-DEN 4>5 FEB-
CLT-DFW 6>7 MAR-
CLT-EYW 2>3 FEB-
CLT-FAY 7>8 FEB-
CLT-FLO 6>5 FEB-
CLT-GNV 2>3 FEB-
CLT-HHH 8>6 MAR-
CLT-HNL 7>6/WK JAN-FEB
CLT-IAH 5>6 FEB-
CLT-ILM 9>8 FEB-
CLT-MDT 5>4 FEB-
CLT-MSY 6>5 FEB-
CLT-MYR 8>7 FEB-
CLT-SAV 8>7 FEB-
CLT-SDF 7>6 FEB-
CLT-SRQ 3>4 FEB-
CLT-STL 5>6 FEB-
CLT-TLH 3>4 FEB-
DCA-GSO 3>2 FEB-
DCA-GSP 3>2 FEB-
DCA-IND 5>4 FEB-
DCA-MCO 5>6 FEB-
DCA-PHL 9>10 FEB-
DCA-PVD 6>5 FEB-
DCA-SYR 5>4 FEB-
LGA-BUF 10>8 FEB-
LGA-CMH 6>4 FEB-
LGA-DAY 4>3 FEB-
LGA-GSO 5>6 FEB-
LGA-IND 5>4 FEB-
LGA-PHL 12>20 (???) FEB-
THIS MIGHT BE TO HOLD SLOTS AS PART OF THE DL DEAL
LGA-PIT 9>6 FEB-
LGA-PVD 6>5 FEB-
LGA-PWM 5>6 FEB-
LGA-RIC 6>5 FEB-
LGA-ROC 7>6 FEB-
LGA-SYR 9>6 FEB-
PHL-BDL 7>8 FEB-
PHL-BGM 6>5 FEB-
PHL-BWI 7>8 FEB-
PHL-CMH 5>6 FEB-
PHL-GSP 3>2 FEB-
PHL-LAX 5>4 FEB-MAY
PHL-MDT 8>6 FEB-
PHL-MSY 3>2 FEB-
PHL-MYR 2/WK>0 FEB-
PHL-ORF 8>9 FEB-
PHL-PVD 7>8 FEB-
PHL-RDU 7>8 FEB-
PHL-SEA 1>2 MAR-APR, 1>3 MAY-
PHL-SFO 3>5 MAY-
PHX-LAX 8>6 MAR- (I REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD 12+)
PHX-OAK 4>5 FEB-
PHX-TUS 9>10 FEB-
PHX-YUM 5>6 FEB-

YV
HNL-KOA 8>7 JAN-
HNL-OGG 8>9 FEB-

YX
MCI-BOS 2>1 APR- (2ND TRIP NEVER STARTS)
MCI-RSW 1>3/WK MAR (NEVER GOES DAILY NOW)
MKE-LAX 2>1 FEB-MAR (THEY'VE CHANGED THIS 4-5 TIMES)

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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9035 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-CHS 1>0 FEB-
MEM-CUN 2>1 FEB-
MEM-GSO 1>0 FEB-
MEM-ICT 3>2 FEB-
MEM-MFE 3>2 FEB-
MEM-PAH 2>0 FEB-

I know this is only one data point, but it may indicate that the tide is starting to turn against MEM. I still expect that longer term the hub there will be "Cincy-ed".

Of all the DL/NW hubs, it appears that DTW/SLC made out best in this big reduction.


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8912 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-SAN 6>5 FEB-APR

This goes to five flights a day starting in December, when does it go back to six flights a day?


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2728 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8887 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
UA [... ] ORD-OKC 4>5 FEB-

UA response to AA cutting our STL and adding additional ORD capacity? I think both AA and UA will have 5x daily between ORD and OKC. 10 RJ's...you'd think one would put a mainline on it.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8845 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 2):
This goes to five flights a day starting in December, when does it go back to six flights a day?

It was going back to 6 in Feb until this week, now it is loaded for May instead.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 3):
UA response to AA cutting our STL and adding additional ORD capacity?

Could be, I don't follow OK that closely, but makes some sense.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32188 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MIA-EZE 2>10/WK APR-

That is likely an error or only for the slow April-May period. Will be corrected soon.

[Edited 2009-11-26 23:16:35]


a.
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

20 daily LGA-PHL. Wow. That must be slot holding.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

I've noticed that beginning in January, FLL-DTW on DL/NW will start getting 753's. That route has seen a capacity increase since the merger.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8277 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
know this is only one data point, but it may indicate that the tide is starting to turn against MEM. I still expect that longer term the hub there will be "Cincy-ed".

There is no proof here to support that argument. DL simply has finalized their Feb. (Winter 2010) schedule. They attempt to lock down the schedule 60-90 days in advance. With the way the economy has been going, they like to make last minute capacity adjustments.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
I thought it might be quiet this week, BUT NO. Huge change from DL/NW and US. Each appear to be prepping for the LGA/DCA swap. My

Not too much on the DL side of the house, again most of their changes are to lock down the Feb schedule by removing unwanted capacity.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32188 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8169 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MIA-EZE 2>10/WK APR-

That is likely an error or only for the slow April-May period. Will be corrected soon.

The error appears to be that AA inadvertently removed AA 943 on days that it operates MIA-EZE-MVD. Possibly the EZE-MVD tag-on will not be operating (MIA-MVD non-stop still operates 4w), and AA erroneously submitted removal of the MIA-EZE tag with it.



a.
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8163 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):

DCA-PHL 9>10 FEB-

Ugh why do they waste slots on this route?


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8167 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):
20 daily LGA-PHL. Wow. That must be slot holding.

That has made me so angry, I'm going to give it it's own thread. Hopefully the moderators agree...


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8114 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
There is no proof here to support that argument. DL simply has finalized their Feb. (Winter 2010) schedule. They attempt to lock down the schedule 60-90 days in advance. With the way the economy has been going, they like to make last minute capacity adjustments.

I believe this is the first set of route cuts from MEM since DL took control. That's something.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
Not too much on the DL side of the house, again most of their changes are to lock down the Feb schedule by removing unwanted capacity.

I disagree. DL has culled an enormous number of airplanes (mostly from ATL) which can be used to start-up the new LGA operations.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8075 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-CHS 1>0 FEB-



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-GSO 1>0 FEB-



Quoting Enilria (Reply 12):
I believe this is the first set of route cuts from MEM since DL took control. That's something.

I don't know if this marks the much-anticipated beginning of MEM reductions or not, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they started with "hub overflight" markets like GSO and CHS that can otherwise be served through ATL and DTW.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8068 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 12):
I disagree. DL has culled an enormous number of airplanes (mostly from ATL) which can be used to start-up the new LGA operations.

Has anyone else heard what the LGA operation might look like? I've heard they aren't really going to add smaller cities at 1x but instead go in and try and run most markets at 2x to 3x daily out of LGA. They would rather dominate the market instead of have a presence. Has anyone else heard that?


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

All the Florida flights from BDL now DL operated. Confused me last week when it happened, kept telling passengers press NWA and they had changed it to DL. lol

 Smile



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8022 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 14):
I've heard they aren't really going to add smaller cities at 1x but instead go in and try and run most markets at 2x to 3x daily out of LGA.

Wouldn't be surprised. It is a long tradition to trot out a bunch of small, but politically powerful cities to get a slot deal approved and then never follow through.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 15):
All the Florida flights from BDL now DL operated. Confused me last week when it happened, kept telling passengers press NWA and they had changed it to DL. lol

They seem to treat those BOS/BDL-Florida flights as some sort of relief valve between the two airlines and move them back and forth at the drop of a hat. Probably has to to do with crew hours or something.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7975 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-RDU 12>11 FEB-

Is this the normal drop RDU gets until late spring? It usually happens right after Christmas until the April/May timeframe.. usually dropping from mostly 757s to mostly MD88s.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-RDU 4>3 JAN-

I wonder if this is in response to jetBlue buffing BOS up to 3x daily?

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-EYW 2>3 FEB-

US is just bizarre with this route.. I would think between Oct - April it would be 3x or maybe even 4.. and the rest of the year it would be 2x.. but instead they close it completely during the summer and then beef it up as the temperature rises.. Hmm.. perhaps they have their reason.. but I dont' get it.. I"m sure someone can explain.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-RDU 7>8 FEB-

Hmmm.. I wonder if this is a CRJ route or mainline..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3700 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7807 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 3):
10 RJ's...you'd think one would put a mainline on it.

I've been saying this about CMH-ORD on AA for a while now. Usually 7-8 ERJs with a CR7 or two thrown in, while UA runs A319s, 320s, E70s & 757s.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7735 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 15):
All the Florida flights from BDL now DL operated. Confused me last week when it happened, kept telling passengers press NWA and they had changed it to DL. lol

They fluctuate it back and forth, it seems that they use MD88s during the peak times (feb-apr for florida) and A319s on NW (20 less seats) during the slower times.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2981 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Why is there no change on ALB-LGA? I don't think they are keeping this route....


E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5283 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6946 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
That has made me so angry, I'm going to give it it's own thread. Hopefully the moderators agree...

12-20 is a big change, but hardly earth-shaking. IMHO.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6898 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
I wonder if this is in response to jetBlue buffing BOS up to 3x daily?

DL's whole change is very interesting. It really appears they have decided to back away from the LCCs (unless its going to be reversed next week!). Makes me wonder if the strategy has really changed. Maybe they have finally realized how much money it's cost them. It will be interesting to see if the LGA deal with US results in domestic cuts at JFK. That would follow directly with what appears to be the new strategy.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
US is just bizarre with this route..

It's a response to FL and DL adding so much into EYW. Typical airline mentality is to rush to wherever money is being lost and jump in as soon as possible.  Smile

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 21):
12-20 is a big change, but hardly earth-shaking. IMHO.

It's the reason they are doing it that is so irritating, but lets leave that to the other thread.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6674 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 22):
It will be interesting to see if the LGA deal with US results in domestic cuts at JFK.

I'm willing to bet on it. US will pull down LGA, and DL will replace them. DL will then pull a chunk of the capacity off of routes duplicated at JFK. Right now, SYR has 8-9x DH8s to LGA on US (during the week, at least), and 3x CRJs to JFK on DL. When US leaves LGA, DL will probably throw 5-6x CRJs to LGA, and keep the mid-afternoon JFK flight for connections to Europe, with some domestic ones available as well.
I imagine that we'll see this sort of scenario play out at nearly every market that will have both LGA and JFK service.


User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6642 times:

I think it's very interesting what DL is doing.

It looks like they are taking away capacity from ATL (a lot of planes sitting around) and going to start them from LGA when they get the slots.

If so, I believe that this will help DL start Terminal reconstruction at JFK, because many of the frequencies now served from JFK will effectively go to LGA. As I see it, I can see DL's operation at JFK go to just 1 bank. The others would be flown out of LGA, and it makes perfect sense.

This way, they serve the local New York market in the best way, with multiple frequencies from the closer to Manhattan airport LGA. All international flights will continue to be flown out of JFK as well as long distance domestic flights. Thus, there will probably be something like 3 banks of flights from LGA (morning, noon, evening) and one bank from JFK (4pm).

The flights arriving at JFK at around 4pm would be used to feed the International flights, and would be purely for transfer passengers. The international flights, which are mainly to Europe and Africa, leave in the early to late evening, and the arriving passengers would then get on the commuters that just arrived and fly back to their respective domestic cities.

Finally, the local NY market gets the best service by having the convenience of LGA for domestic flights, and using JFK for the international flights. The international flights get the feed they need with the mid-afternoon arrival bank.

I wonder now that DL has several hubs, and more importantly, and larger HUB like presence in New York, if ATL and the other hubs will be slightly pulled down to disperse traffic. JFK is not much of a hub, and DL can't really effectively compete if they're using JFK. But with LGA now in the mix, DL can offer the best point-to-point routes, because NY is full of O/D traffic and there really isn't need for connecting traffic unless it's going to the international flights.

(I feel i've repeated myself several times. I hope this is readable.)



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25 FWAERJ : I wouldn't call my broker and buy shares of AAI on the NYSE just yet... I wonder if Delta may simply be refocusing, and that DL might be in the proce
26 FL787 : So DL would bring high casm RJs down to MCO and fill them with FL-type fares in an attempt to take FL out in MCO? I'm pretty sure they've tried that
27 ThegreatRDU : This better not be a 752 that gets the axe... They can't hang with WN
28 MSYtristar : Just as an FYI, the US reductions on CLT-MSY and PHL-MSY are not really reductions. US is currently flying CLT-MSY 5X daily and PHL-MSY 2X daily...the
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Again, I think you are reading too much into both these actions. They appear to be more or less seasonal adjustments and tweaks across the hubs. PAH i
30 Flyguy1 : I wouldnt look for DL to cut much at JFK, they dont want to lose those slots. Also, the International flights come in during more than one bank, which
31 AmtrakGuy : how much slot Delta have at JFK?
32 Cubsrule : The thin flights from the Carolinas do make much less sense with ATL in the system, but that in no way spells doom for MEM - as you say, many of thos
33 Enilria : We agree completely. That is also what my sources tell me. NASDAQ Anyway, I think if they have decided to layoff them in ATL that is a huge earnings
34 FL787 : Actually AAI is on the NYSE now. I remember because they mentioned it on their napkins for about a year.
35 Mariner : Longer than that, I think. I believe that the NYSE is all three letter codes and the NASDAQ is all four letter codes. mariner
36 CV880 : The 757's go with the sked change 17Dec. There are a few weeks where the sked shows 1x757 for about 3days/wk, but most of it are M-88's until the Jun
37 Enilria : You are right. I had missed that. My mistake. Actually it was AMEX they came from. ORLANDO, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 7, 2001 AirTran Holdings, Inc
38 Mariner : Yes, AMEX has three letter codes, too. But it was much more than a year ago. mariner
39 Enilria : I thought it was recent too, but as my post says it was 2001.
40 FL787 : Not a big deal but I didn't mean they have been on the NYSE for a year, I meant they mentioned how they were on the NYSE for a year on their napkins.
41 Buddys747 : I'm surprised it took US this long to reduce the schedule here. Ever since FL came to town US lost a consideable amout of MCO traffic, and now FLL. A
42 Bobnwa : I would call it keeping your true intentions away from your competitors for as long as possible to see how things shake out.
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