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AirTran To Start DSM-MCO  
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AirTra...es-prnews-2212434732.html?x=0&.v=1

Saturday/Sunday beginning in March. I wouldn't doubt if this goes more then just 2 weekly.

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User currently offlineI380North From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5897 times:

From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
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Orlando Des Moines 1297 8:50 a.m. 10:50 a.m. Sat., Sun
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Des Moines Orlando 1296 11:25 a.m. 3:05 p.m. Sat., Sun
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Quoting Flyinryan99 (Thread starter):
Saturday/Sunday beginning in March. I wouldn't doubt if this goes more then just 2 weekly

I agree. So you have to be in MCO for a week and God forbid you miss your flight. That is one reason I never take Allegiant.


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5846 times:

Wow! really?

What about OMA?


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5823 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Thread starter):
Saturday/Sunday beginning in March. I wouldn't doubt if this goes more then just 2 weekly.

Isn't March a bit "on the late side" as the most opportune time for starting weekend service between the midwest and Florida? Might the "late" start date be an issue of aircraft and/or gate availability?

Next question... which legacy will discover a "sudden, urgent need" to start Sat/Sun DSM-MCO service...starting in March? Wink


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5809 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
Isn't March a bit "on the late side" as the most opportune time for starting weekend service between the midwest and Florida? Might the "late" start date be an issue of aircraft and/or gate availability?

It's late, but when it comes to MCO, it's pretty much a year round destination so it doesn't matter much.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
Next question... which legacy will discover a "sudden, urgent need" to start Sat/Sun DSM-MCO service...starting in March?

These days, none of the legacies have much interest in Florida (except AA at MIA). FL has added many routes to MCO with no legacy response.

Quoting I380North (Reply 1):
So you have to be in MCO for a week and God forbid you miss your flight.

I would say most people going to MCO stay for about a week. There's plenty to do. And in FL's case, if you did miss your flight, they could reaccomodate you (MCO-MKE-DSM).


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5638 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
Next question... which legacy will discover a "sudden, urgent need" to start Sat/Sun DSM-MCO service...starting in March? Wink

Paging Delta Air Lines... come on, we know OH has some spare CR7s somewhere at MCO...

Anyway, I think that we probably haven't seen the last of FL's expansion announcements for 2010... the SkyWest announcement shocked me for sure.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 5):

Paging Delta Air Lines... come on, we know OH has some spare CR7s somewhere at MCO...

Seeing how Comair has no presence at MCO anymore, I think not. Maybe back in 2005-2006 but not today

[Edited 2009-11-27 13:25:44]

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5613 times:



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 6):

Seeing how Comair has no presence at MCO anymore, I think not. Maybe back in 2005-2006 but not today

Are there any DL Connection carriers with a base at MCO?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5601 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 5):
Anyway, I think that we probably haven't seen the last of FL's expansion announcements for 2010

I'm pretty sure FL still has some fleet slack that could be used so I don't think next summer's schedule is finished yet either. I still think BWI-SFO would make sense.



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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5598 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
Are there any DL Connection carriers with a base at MCO?

No. Delta pulled all regional flights out of MCO in 2008. Comair let go all of their rampers and CSAs and the Comair MX facility is closing soon or already has. The only Delta you see in MCO anymore is mainline.

Comair Workers Let Go At MCO And FLL (by DLX737200 Jun 27 2008 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 9):

No. Delta pulled all regional flights out of MCO in 2008. Comair let go all of their rampers and CSAs and the Comair MX facility is closing soon or already has. The only Delta you see in MCO anymore is mainline.

Big mistake, IMO.

All those 50/70-seaters could have been a "secret weapon" against AirTran's MCO buildup, which would have happened anyway. This would have been great especially after the DL/NW merger, when DL inherited the NW "heartland strategy" and NW heartland markets.

[Edited 2009-11-27 13:39:42]


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5575 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10):
All those 50/70-seaters could have been a "secret weapon" against AirTran's MCO buildup,

If by "secret weapon" you mean "massive money loser", then yes the RJ's would be perfect. Flying small RJ's to MCO is a recipe for disaster...hence why no one does it.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5545 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
Flying small RJ's to MCO is a recipe for disaster...hence why no one does it.

An airline just can't pull down good enough yields to make 50 seaters worth it. A 90 seater might make it work, but with that many seats in the market the yield would be crap anyway.

Anyway, I hope that this works out, and I think that it will. I know that it worked out quite nicely at BMI, even to the point where Allegiant couldn't compete and dropped PIA-SFB. I don't expect DSM to be that much different.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

I think they got the idea from me, since I run that so well on my Facebook airline.  Big grin

User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

Question-

Is this one of only very few routes that are operated by Allegiant and AirTran? Now I understand MCO is no Orlando Sanford, but it's close enough...Is Allegiant going to get a run for its money with AirTran? AirTran would seem like the better airline, but the limited times offered by AirTran could perhaps allow Allegiant to survive. Even though Allegiant's schedule is also quite limited...

Is there going to be DSM-ATL? Because with THAT route, the flights would have to be daily...


Someone give me some opinions..


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5469 times:



Quoting Evanbu (Reply 14):
Is this one of only very few routes that are operated by Allegiant and AirTran?

There are more than a few now. They are now commonly referred to as AllegianTran routes. I don't think Allegiant has caved on any routes yet but I think FL definitely has the advantage because of their more frequent schedules and MCO instead of Sanford.

Quoting Evanbu (Reply 14):
Is there going to be DSM-ATL? Because with THAT route, the flights would have to be daily...

I wouldn't be surprised to see ATL-OMA or DSM but the problem is ATL doesn't have any space left, especially during FL's banks. I think you'll see DSM-MCO go daily before ATL is added.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25332 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5466 times:
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Quoting Evanbu (Reply 14):
AirTran would seem like the better airline, but the limited times offered by AirTran could perhaps allow Allegiant to survive. Even though Allegiant's schedule is also quite limited...

Allegiant has one big advantage - costs. Allegiant's last reported CASM (ex-fuel) was 4.82 cents versus Airtran at 6 cents.

This costs advantage is maintained at at the full CASM, including fuel.

I have to wonder if Airtran would have started this if Midwest had not announced OMA-MCO.

mariner



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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

So just to make sure, there is still no way DSM gets WN anytime soon?

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5446 times:



Quoting FL787 (Reply 15):
I don't think Allegiant has caved on any routes yet

They dropped PIA-SFB which competed with FL's BMI-MCO. G4 still is pretty strong at PIA with flights to LAS, PIE, and AZA.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAmccann From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

Being a Des Moines resident I'm fairly excited about this route. As far as I'm aware the last time AirTran made a presence in Des Moines was 1998 flying the same route to MCO with a stopover in MLI. http://www.departedflights.com/FL050198.html

Beggars cant be choosers but as mentioned above, hopefully AirTran will be welcomed in DSM and open a route to ATL.



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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5212 times:



Quoting Amccann (Reply 19):
Beggars cant be choosers but as mentioned above, hopefully AirTran will be welcomed in DSM and open a route to ATL.

What a huge pick up for DSM. I would really like to see ATL added eventually. If you haven't been to DSM for a while, there is an area between the Midwest and Delta ticket counters that has been boarded up. I wonder if DSM knew for a while about this and are working on the AirTran ticket counter? Is SkyWest handling the ground ops for the 717?


User currently onlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1106 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

How long until FL starts some of these G4-ish routes to TPA, LAS, RSW/SRQ and/or PBI/FLL? The fact that they are only being added to MCO is quite interesting. It would almost speak to a build-up of MCO as a legitimate hub (perhaps for Caribbean/La. Am. flights), but they are not offering any connections from these flights. That would seem to nix the hub idea. Is there some reason FL is only offering MCO but not looking to compete with G4 at TPA/PIE?


TLH
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5183 times:



Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 21):
How long until FL starts some of these G4-ish routes to TPA, LAS, RSW/SRQ and/or PBI/FLL?



Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 21):
Is there some reason FL is only offering MCO but not looking to compete with G4 at TPA/PIE?

Actually, FL has started some of these G4-like cities with both MCO and FLL including ABE, LEX, and MDT. I don't think you'll see FL start G4-like routes out of LAS, RSW, or SRQ but I wouldn't be surprised to see some out of TPA.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4424 times:



Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 21):
How long until FL starts some of these G4-ish routes to TPA, LAS,

Isn't LAS a been there done that? AirTran tried BMI-LAS and MLI-LAS but cancelled them.



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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Anybody want to predict how this route will do?

I think when AirTran did it in the late 90's it was quite successful...


25 Atlwest1 : I think Atl for alot of these MCO cities is a matter of time or maybe BWI to some extent. Des Moines and Lexington would fit in well with the ATL Hub
26 FlyPNS1 : But as its been said before, the problem with many of these smaller markets to ATL is that DL will react. They will pump in a ton of extra capacity m
27 Acey559 : Yeah, twice. And about the competition from DL, while I know it was in jest, that actually did happen at MLI in the summer of '06, and it was a blood
28 JBAirwaysFan : They also closed SWF when FL and B6 came in.
29 CitrusCritter : Those cities were already in the network. The question is whether FL will open stations with only service to LAS (e.g. LEX only has service to MCO an
30 FATFlyer : That would be interesting to see if it happens, although Vegas has seen a big drop in visitors the last couple of years. Allegiant has slowed its LAS
31 MAH4546 : LEX also has FLL. It is interesting that FL isn't selling connections beyond MCO to MBJ, NAS, etc. from LEX, CRW, etc. assuming the schedules work bo
32 KcrwFlyer : They dont here... They only work to ATL and maybe one other city. I feel like they're missing a solid opportunity by not selling conx ATL alone. On a
33 Mke717spotter : Speaking of which, some of FL's CRJ flying from MKE starts in a couple of days. Anyone got any pics or know what the special paint scheme for the CRJ
34 Quickmover : I didn't think the Skywest aircraft would have the FL livery, but I could be wrong. If memory serves, they would have a Skywest livery.
35 SurfandSnow : I flew on YX "Connect" from MSN to MKE earlier this month and the plane was in a simple white livery. Taking into account the frequency in which thes
36 Atlwest1 : Does anyone know which gate(s) will be used for the CRJ ops at MKE?
37 Evanbu : I would venture a guess it would be on the end of Terminal A. Towards the old Delta gates. Where Allegiant operates out of?
38 Evanbu : So once again, I will ask this, no chance of WN coming to DSM?
39 Atlwest1 : I would hope not just purely for the fact the purpose of these flights is to connect to Airtran flights. If you have to leave security and re clear a
40 Evanbu : I am an idiot. I thought you were talking about DSM. My fault. No idea at Orlando...
41 Quickmover : DSM is a market in need of more low fare service. I know many people who either drive to MCI or OMA to catch a WN flight. FL's MLI-MCO and MCI-MCO dai
42 Atlwest1 : lol your not an idiot it happens to the best of us. The gate across from Chillis in MKE doesnt have a jet bridge but is marked as gate so maybe there
43 Phllax : They will probably use A1 or A3, which are used by UA for RON and G4 for their flights. C concourse is pretty well utilized by DL/NW, US, CO and AA.
44 MAH4546 : TPA probably doesn't have the density that AirTran wants. FLL's advantage is that it there is a two-way market: there is a market from Fort Lauderdal
45 Planespotting : Can't see why it would at this point. Omaha's only two hours away, Kansas City and MSP are both three three. DSM is adequately served. Now if both Ai
46 Buddys747 : I was on the inaguaral flight from MDT to FLL, and I talked to the local official here. He said that FL offered FLL or TPA to MDT. He claimed most ea
47 MAH4546 : Replace "west" with "Midwest," and that's true. East coasters prefer South Florida, Midwesterners prefer Fort Myers and Tampa. West coasters, by far,
48 Iowaman : Yeah, the leakage is huge to OMA, MCI, and MLI. 2x daily DSM-ATL on FL would work, IMO. MCO could support 4x daily easy if G4 dropped out. It's reall
49 MAH4546 : MIA-MSP is 2x daily starting in Dec and 3x daily starting in Feb.
50 Iowaman : Completely missed that, as it looks like for the first part of Jan. it reverts back to 1x daily.
51 JBAirwaysFan : Probably not for a while.
52 Quickmover : I don't know. Who would have thought they would start MKE, with a big base nearby at MDW???
53 Evanbu : Who would have thought that just about a month ago, AirTran had no plans for operations in DSM, and now look at it, MCO and MKE. No offense to MLI, bu
54 Joeljack : Yes 2x daily to ATL would work. Also 3x or 4x daily from OMA to ATL would also work.... The problem is space in ATL. FL has no gate space so until th
55 Quickmover : I thought ATL flights are down over the last year or so. Didn't FL cut some of the ATL flights in favor of MKE, BWI and MCO? You are right though, sp
56 KcrwFlyer : Very interesting. I'm pretty sure TPA is a more popular market from CRW. Does John Deere have another HQ in DSM to provide the corporate contract? 4x
57 FlyPNS1 : FL has space. They cut a number of flights at ATL and could easily add some new markets. One big difference. FL got established in MLI and served MLI
58 Iowaman : Oops, I meant to type 4x weekly . I wouldn't be surprised, they are a player in even the service to ALO, as the recent flights I've been on out of Wa
59 Planespotting : They don't have a headquarters or a plant in Des Moines, but there is some kind of facility in Ankeny - one of my high school friend's brother is an
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