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CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I read the other day that UA was starting a STL-SFO flight in February. When was this announced? Is UA upping capacity to take over from AA's reductions?

The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there

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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14316 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Thread starter):

I read the other day that UA was starting a STL-SFO flight in February. When was this announced?

A week or two after the final American cut.

Quoting CXA330300 (Thread starter):
Is UA upping capacity to take over from AA's reductions?

Yep, but it's all over now. No need to hold your breath for new STL flights.

Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22027 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Search and you would have found;
United Announces SFO-STL (by Iowaman Oct 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California

Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21228 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Yep, but it's all over now. No need to hold your breath for new STL flights.

It wouldn't shock me to see either a second SFO flight or mainline to IAD/DEN in the two-three year timeframe.

It also wouldn't shock me if none of that happened.

I wouldn't conclude now that UA is done with STL.

I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more

BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14316 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
I wouldn't conclude now that UA is done with STL.

I think that everybody is done with STL for at least until the economy rebounds.

Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?

FlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
I think that everybody is done with STL for at least until the economy rebounds.

Doesn't WN still have a significant presence at STL ???

The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.

Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21228 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
I think that everybody is done with STL for at least until the economy rebounds.

There's a reason I specified the timeline that I did, though I think a lot of it will have to do with what happens with the UA regional RFPs over the next few years, maybe more so than the economy. DEN in particular can support mainline (note the two G7 flights real close together in the middle of the day), and I suspect IAD can too; the RP IAD flights that will end in April seem to be mostly local traffic.

I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more

Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 5):

Doesn't WN still have a significant presence at STL ???

I don't think he means done as in closing up shop or reducing operations, but rather done announcing significant expansion in wake of the AA reductions. The announcements of UA on STL-SFO and WN on STL-SAN/LAX/SEA/MSY/RDU/BNA probably filled most of the void from AA that is going to be filled in the near future.

However, if this does signify some raised level of interest in STL overall for WN, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if STL-LGA comes down the pipeline when they get the slots or if any of the successful routes receive additional frequency (like STL-MSP already being increased from 2x to 3x daily).

Maybe when times are better, some of the other abandoned AA routes could be reinstated by other airlines - though WN still probably is the most likely party. Routes like STL-AUS could potentially be interesting to them at some point down the road (though they already get most of that traffic via DAL anyhow).

Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21228 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 990 times:

Quoting Steex (Reply 7):
Routes like STL-AUS could potentially be interesting to them at some point down the road (though they already get most of that traffic via DAL anyhow).

Actually, WN and AA split both AUS and SAT pretty evenly now:

Q209 Numbers

STL-AUS
WN 49% share
AA 47% share

STL-SAT
WN 42% share
AA 49% share

I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more

Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Actually, WN and AA split both AUS and SAT pretty evenly now:

Q209 Numbers

STL-AUS
WN 49% share
AA 47% share

STL-SAT
WN 42% share
AA 49% share

I stand corrected. The disappearance of the ERJ non-stops may not affect that split too much either given that it will be a Dallas connection either way in the future. In that case, there may actually be some incentive for WN to start STL-AUS/SAT in hopes of wrestling some of that traffic from AA after the draw down. It's a scenario where I won't really be surprised either way WN plays it.

Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21228 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Quoting Steex (Reply 9):
In that case, there may actually be some incentive for WN to start STL-AUS/SAT in hopes of wrestling some of that traffic from AA after the draw down. It's a scenario where I won't really be surprised either way WN plays it.

Agreed. I think AUS would probably do better than SAT and is a bit more likely, but as you say (and as I feel about further UA expansion), it wouldn't shock me either way.

I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more

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