MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5677 times:
Well, they've yanked footrests from the DC-9s for weight, and service from the airline for cost, so I'll go out on a limb and say.. weight? (tongue in cheek)
"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
Quoting Avi8tir (Thread starter): Flew on DL's 77L last week and noticed there is no mood lighting like most airlines have on this type.
Its an optional item that DL chose not to take.... probably due to cost.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5537 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 2): Its an optional item that DL chose not to take.... probably due to cost.
If the costs are the reason, I can completely understand it. Mood lighting is nice, yes, but I can perfectly live without that.
In my opinions should airlines rather invest in useful things like inflight-WiFi or live-tv than wasting their money for some light games on the overhead bins.
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8263 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5439 times:
Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3): Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
Its an optional item that DL chose not to take.... probably due to cost.
If the costs are the reason, I can completely understand it. Mood lighting is nice, yes, but I can perfectly live without that.
In my opinions should airlines rather invest in useful things like inflight-WiFi or live-tv than wasting their money for some light games on the overhead bins.
- I think this has been discussed before, from memory, yes, it was down to cost.
I agree with Sabena332, It might look nice but invest the funds in other areas, mood lighting is not going to influence passnegers booking flights.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5134 times:
Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 1): I'll go out on a limb and say.. weight? (tongue in cheek
Negatory- the system is LED based, and (to my knowledge) completely eliminates the fluorescent bulb based aircraft lighting. That's a good thing- the idea of putting fluorescent bulbs in a 400 Hz system was dumb in the 1960s, and it's dumb now. How often have you replaced the ballast to you kitchen fluorescent lights? I haven't ever had to. Yet I've replaced nearly a dozen ballasts on airplanes in the past year or so, and they're several thousand dollars each.
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4): I agree with Sabena332, It might look nice but invest the funds in other areas, mood lighting is not going to influence passnegers booking flights.
Boeing says that the system, while it has a high initial cost of acquisition, has much lower operating costs. This is due to LEDs consuming very little electricity, and the fact that they run for several tens-of-thousands of hours before failure. I believe the MTBF for most LED's is in the neighborhood of 50,000 hours.
All that to say that Delta's decision to forego the VERY cool LED mood lighting feature was an eyebrow raiser at the time, and has clearly put their cabin ambiance a DISTINCT NOTCH BELOW their middle-eastern competitors on several routes.
But, the NEW Delta is a very short sighted, bottom-line driven machine, in case we hadn't figured that out yet. That's my assessment, anyway.
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5094 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
Boeing says that the system, while it has a high initial cost of acquisition, has much lower operating costs. This is due to LEDs consuming very little electricity, and the fact that they run for several tens-of-thousands of hours before failure. I believe the MTBF for most LED's is in the neighborhood of 50,000 hours.
Great information, thanks!
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
All that to say that Delta's decision to forego the VERY cool LED mood lighting feature was an eyebrow raiser at the time, and has clearly put their cabin ambiance a DISTINCT NOTCH BELOW their middle-eastern competitors on several routes.
I guess the same can be said about Delta Not installing Monitors on the bulkheads in Business class. I think it cheapens the product, not to mention that most f/a's don't like
to do a "live" demo.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2516 posts, RR: 45 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): But, the NEW Delta is a very short sighted, bottom-line driven machine, in case we hadn't figured that out yet. That's my assessment, anyway.
So Delta is a "very short sighted, bottom-line driven machine" because they passed on one option you consider "cool"? Obviously their benefit/cost analysis differs from yours, but, of course, they have the actual costs involved at their fingertips to make real decisions with; I await proof that a single passenger has booked away from DL because of the lack of mood lighting on any of their aircraft.
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): Negatory- the system is LED based, and (to my knowledge) completely eliminates the fluorescent bulb based aircraft lighting. That's a good thing- the idea of putting fluorescent bulbs in a 400 Hz system was dumb in the 1960s, and it's dumb now. How often have you replaced the ballast to you kitchen fluorescent lights? I haven't ever had to. Yet I've replaced nearly a dozen ballasts on airplanes in the past year or so, and they're several thousand dollars each.
..there was a "tongue in cheek" parentheses following the sentence (read: humor).
"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
Avi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4855 times:
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7): I guess the same can be said about Delta Not installing Monitors on the bulkheads in Business class. I think it cheapens the product, not to mention that most f/a's don't like to do a "live" demo.
GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): How often have you replaced the ballast to you kitchen fluorescent lights?
A few times, actually.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): Boeing says that the system, while it has a high initial cost of acquisition, has much lower operating costs. This is due to LEDs consuming very little electricity, and the fact that they run for several tens-of-thousands of hours before failure. I believe the MTBF for most LED's is in the neighborhood of 50,000 hours.
Is it possible Delta IS using LEDs, just ones without colored bulbs?
Avi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 10): Is it possible Delta IS using LEDs, just ones without colored bulbs?
I dont think so. It seemed VERY apparent to me that the cabin was lined with the traditional fluorescent lighting.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2973 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): All that to say that Delta's decision to forego the VERY cool LED mood lighting feature was an eyebrow raiser at the time, and has clearly put their cabin ambiance a DISTINCT NOTCH BELOW their middle-eastern competitors on several routes.
I take it you've seen the statistics that indicate that people have not booked DL becuase their cabin ambience was a "distinct notch below" that of their Middle Eastern competitors?
By the way, can you possibly tell us on how many routes DL competes head to head, 77L to 77L with those same Middle Eastern competitors?
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
Quoting CokePopper (Reply 6): not to mention that most f/a's don't like
to do a "live" demo.
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2877 times:
Just flew a DL 77L to DXB. Fourteen hours, very cramped, no footrests, very little recline, thin and flimsy pillow and blanket. The FAs made everyone keep their shades down for the entire flight so we missed a whole day. Mood lighting would have been appreciated. Also, a small dinner after takeoff and nothing until pizza ten hours later.
I flew back through CDG on AF. Older 772 with cloth seats and smaller screens. However, the seats recline much more, they had adjustable footrests, nice pillows and blankets, and excellent meals. Both the DL and AF crews were surprisingly pleasant and professional.
Biggest complaint against AF: no SkyMiles credit for promotional fare.
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 14): Also, a small dinner after takeoff and nothing until pizza ten hours later.
Delta usually has "continuous snacks" set up in the aft galley for you throughout the
flight. And of course beverages of your choice. As far as "making" you keep your shades down? really? F/A's usually ask if you wouldn't mind keeping you shade down at least half way for consideration of your fellow passengers. I never known of a F/A that "Made" anyone do anything of that sort.
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