Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 6721 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23451 times:
One would assume that, coincidentally, it is foreign companies that operate the M11, and Chinese companies operate something else. Getting warm?
By the way I agree the M11 is, at this point, damaged goods.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17872 posts, RR: 59 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23424 times:
Is this affecting all MD-11s flying into and out of China or just the Chinese-registered ones (I can't read Chinese). If it's all MD-11s, FedEx is going to have some serious issues with their hub in CAN.
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FlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23421 times:
From what I get from the article, it looks like all MD-11 from Chinese airliners.
N901WA From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 286 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23169 times:
Wow that was a quick knee jerk reaction. I wonder how they came to grounding the MD-11 so fast. I may eat my words and a flaw was already found, but I would like to see what the investigation shows up. Very Sad, for the Crew and for the MD-11.
Etoile From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23165 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 1): One would assume that, coincidentally, it is foreign companies that operate the M11, and Chinese companies operate something else. Getting warm?
Why would you assume that, unless you failed to read the article or have some irrational, unfounded anti-Chinese prejudice?
The article says that the civil aviation bureau has barred all the MD-11s in China from flying. (Based on the context, it is only Chinese operators.) There is no duration given for the bar. The article notes that China Eastern and Shanghai Airlines are the only two Chinese operators of MD-11Fs.
Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2037 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23097 times:
Oh-uh. The Shanghai MD-11 that comes into LAX on Sat. is done. How I liked seeing it's extremely early rotation.
How can they ground everything after 2 days? Come on, they probably have not even really started an investigation.
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413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23061 times:
I thought Shanghai have been begging someone to take their MD-11s off their hands. Aren't they still for sale?
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 6721 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22892 times:
Quoting Etoile (Reply 9): unless you failed to read the article or have some irrational, unfounded anti-Chinese prejudice?
Easy there, you're getting too excited. Yeah, although the article is in Chinese I got some of that info out (although I would not call it conclusive).
Grounding Chinese MD-11 would not affect the two MD-11 that have crashed in Shanghai over the years, one at Pudong and one at Hongqiao, in April 1999.
Considering the thread title, I hope you can grant me a bit of leeway in exploring the possibility of a total MD-11 ban. On the contrary, this would be quite reasonable for them.
KiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 1888 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22754 times:
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 6): 25 May 2002; China Airlines 747-200; near the Penghu Islands, Taiwan:
Well, others have already pointed out that you got the geography wrong anyway. But I think you'll find that the Taiwanese authorities did ban the 747-200 following this crash, for a brief period
Although if this was the last one left in the fleet I can't imagine the ban would have made much diference!
Zoom1018 From Vietnam, joined May 2005, 218 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22686 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 1): One would assume that, coincidentally, it is foreign companies that operate the M11, and Chinese companies operate something else. Getting warm?
Nah, on the contrary, the Chinese carriers fly MD11s; or if you meant FEDEX as foreign companies?
This is the news published roughly after two hours from the one published in Hongkong. http://news.carnoc.com/list/148/148396.html
China Eastern Airlines has not been informed by the Chinese Civil Aviation Bureaur egarding the grounding of MD11s and that the airline is operating MD11s normally.
DUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22597 times:
Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 11): Well, others have already pointed out that you got the geography wrong anyway.
My mistake (sorry China Airlines) but my point remaines the same....
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22599 times:
China has every right to ban foreign MD-11's from entering there air space.
When the FAA ground the DC-10's, some foreign operators continued to operation them, but the FAA would not let them in US air space.
CF6PPE From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22447 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 14): When the FAA ground the DC-10's, some foreign operators continued to operation them, but the FAA would not let them in US air space.
IIRC, the FAA initially wanted to ground A300B4-103/203 equipment due to having GE CF6-50C powerplants and (the FAA) thought about also grounding the L1011 equipment.
The lone U.S. airline with both A300s and L1011s had to demonstrate that the engine pylon configurations were different than that of the DC-10s ....
It has been 30 years ago, so my memory is missing some of the details.... but, ...
ATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1342 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 22267 times:
So whats Fedex going to send over there for the time being, guess it would have to be the DC-10-30.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4856 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20729 times:
Politics aside, this puts a serious clamp on the global economy, DEPENDING on just what they've grounded.
If they've grounded ALL MD-11 (which is a totally unreasonable action, but hey..... government agencies are prone to just that), then FedEx, UPS, Shanghai, and Cargo King (or whatever they're called now) operations are toast, as is the vast majority of the world's merchandise which originates in China.
But hey- they've made their bed, they can sleep in it.
Do we HAVE a probable cause for a crash that happened just days ago? Somehow I doubt it...
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20602 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 17): DEPENDING on just what they've grounded.
If they've grounded ALL MD-11 (which is a totally unreasonable action, but hey..... government agencies are prone to just that), then FedEx, UPS, Shanghai, and Cargo King (or whatever they're called now) operations are toast, as is the vast majority of the world's merchandise which originates in China.
UPS would sub 767s and/or 747s, and use the MD-11s domestically, which they already do. Might not be the best mix of aircraft, but I'd be shocked if they would let this affect their service. I'm sure FedEx has other options as well.
Flynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 211 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20349 times:
I wonder why the chinese Govt doesn't ban all fireworks factory's in china everytime one blows up?
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25 Cerecl: The latest news suggested that CAAC may not have ordered the grounding of MD-11F. All reports of MD-11F quoted "industry insiders", yet MU just announ
26 SpeedyGonzales: The vast majority is tranported by ship.
27 CosmicCruiser: quote=Pylon101,reply=21]FedEx, back to Subic Bay![/quote] God, I hope not Folks, the DC-10 is GONE there are none, the last one flew in sept.
28 Ferengi80: Okay, I've had a really busy weekend, and haven't seen any news. What's going on? Why the hell are the Chinese grounding the MD-11? Have I missed some
29 Super80: Probably not since Hong Kong has it own air space and the Civil Aviation Department of Hong Kong does not operate under the CAAC. However, if CAAC is
31 Ferengi80: Holy Cow, I sure did, Sovietjet. Thanks for that, my friend. I better catch up on the news!
32 Radarbeam: You're right. However FX have a lot of MD10's, that's probably what ATA L1011 meant by DC10.
33 Fxramper: I got a comail today and this won't affect any US or European carriers, eg. FX, 5X, & LH. The order will only affect Chinese registered a/c.
35 Billg11: China Cargo had a couple of inflight shutdowns due to turbine failure on their MD11's three or four months ago, and the CAAC was threatening to ground
36 CF6PPE: Please tell me what is meant by the terminology "turbine failure" ...???
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