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Any News About JetBlue?  
User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

jetBlue has been quiet lately is there going to be any announcements coming soon like New Routes HQ moving anything?


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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4645 times:



Quoting Blueman87 (Thread starter):
jetBlue has been quiet lately is there going to be any announcements coming soon like New Routes HQ moving anything?

I know, it has been pretty quit at B6. Most likely until they start getting new aircraft and selling so many airbuses you wont see to much from them.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

The announcement of the headquarters move will be in January.


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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

COME TO BDL B6!!!!!!!

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4413 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
The announcement of the headquarters move will be in January.

Do we have any idea where they are moving to? Staying in New York or heading to Florida? Wasn't there speculation they were heading to Orlando?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4326 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Do we have any idea where they are moving to? Staying in New York or heading to Florida? Wasn't there speculation they were heading to Orlando?

It's down to three locations, Downtown Brooklyn, the far Upper East side near Spanish Harlem and Orlando. My own opinion is they're moving to Orlando, but that's just my opinion based on the symmetries of combining all their operations currently spread out between Connecticut, Queens and Orlando.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

I hope they don't move to Orlando. I'm sorry, but JetBlue should stay in New York. Business is a lot better up there. I know it won't be for a few years, but New York has a stronger economy than Central Florida. Orlando's economy consists of Tourism and Healthcare. Besides, like I have said many times, they already have AirTran HQ in Orlando, they don't need another.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4271 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
It's down to three locations, Downtown Brooklyn, the far Upper East side near Spanish Harlem and Orlando. My own opinion is they're moving to Orlando, but that's just my opinion based on the symmetries of combining all their operations currently spread out between Connecticut, Queens and Orlando.

Thanks. It would be a shame if they left New York, but I can understand that economics of running a business from Florida might win out.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4261 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Thanks. It would be a shame if they left New York, but I can understand that economics of running a business from Florida might win out.

How so? New York City has a stronger business economy than Florida, Central Florida in particular. I just don't see it as the best option.

This also means a nice pay cut for JetBlue Corporate Execs. Do you really think they would be willing to do that? JetBlue is well established up in NYC, and I am sure that they are doing everything they can to keep B6 HQs in New York.



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4231 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
How so? New York City has a stronger business economy than Florida, Central Florida in particular. I just don't see it as the best option.

How about lower taxes on corporations and individuals (no state income tax) and a much lower cost of operation? New York State, particularly under the current Governor, treats earning money as if it were a crime. And, yes, I lived 6 years in Manhattan. If I were them, I'd move it here.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
How so? New York City has a stronger business economy than Florida, Central Florida in particular. I just don't see it as the best option.

I was referring to the economies of running a business (costs, labor, taxes etc.) are probably cheaper in Florida than New York. The overall economy of New York is indeed significantly stronger and more stabile than Central Florida. But the costs of operating a business might be cheaper in Orlando. Florida might make them an offer they can't refuse.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
I am sure that they are doing everything they can to keep B6 HQs in New York.

I don't doubt this. Most likely New York will offer some attractive incentives (tax breaks, lease discounts etc.) to keep jetBlue's HQ in the state. It all boils down to what is important to the decision-makers. I for one would rather see them stay in New York.

[Edited 2009-11-30 07:39:47]

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4233 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4174 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 6):
I hope they don't move to Orlando. I'm sorry, but JetBlue should stay in New York. Business is a lot better up there. I know it won't be for a few years, but New York has a stronger economy than Central Florida. Orlando's economy consists of Tourism and Healthcare. Besides, like I have said many times, they already have AirTran HQ in Orlando, they don't need another.



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Thanks. It would be a shame if they left New York, but I can understand that economics of running a business from Florida might win out.



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
How so? New York City has a stronger business economy than Florida, Central Florida in particular. I just don't see it as the best option.

This also means a nice pay cut for JetBlue Corporate Execs. Do you really think they would be willing to do that? JetBlue is well established up in NYC, and I am sure that they are doing everything they can to keep B6 HQs in New York.

My guess - and this is only speculation - is that most of JetBlue's corporate base will be moving to Orlando area leaving only the executive and other ancillary functions (i.e., marketing) remaining in New York. This way the company can still say they are a New York-based company and also reap the benefits of having most of their corporate employees based in much cheaper Florida. I highly doubt there would be pay cuts for executives, if not any employees who make the move (what sort of incentive would that be to move??) but any new employees hired would be at lower salaries and raises over the next few years might be stingier than normal.

Of course, all of this really comes down to what sort of facilities and incentives the two areas can offer. How willing is NYC to keep JetBlue in town? I'm assuming that New York is JetBlue's first choice, but economics will win out and that is why I think most JetBlue departments will be moving to Florida. With an airline, I am not sure it really matters where your accounting, finance or IT departments are based - B6 has obviously committed to JFK and the new terminal there and I don't see that changing.



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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4104 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
This also means a nice pay cut for JetBlue Corporate Execs. Do you really think they would be willing to do that? JetBlue is well established up in NYC, and I am sure that they are doing everything they can to keep B6 HQs in New York.

For lower cost of living and a better quality of life, sure!


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3963 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
My guess - and this is only speculation - is that most of JetBlue's corporate base will be moving to Orlando area leaving only the executive and other ancillary functions (i.e., marketing) remaining in New York.

So route planning would stay in New York?

I think JetBlue should keep the execs. in NY, like CEO, Planning, Marketing, Etc. I could understand them opening an office in Orlando similar to the one they have in Salt Lake City. I don't think JetBlue would really want to lose their Hometown Status in New York though.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4233 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 13):
So route planning would stay in New York?

No idea... I'm only guessing anyway.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 13):
I could understand them opening an office in Orlando similar to the one they have in Salt Lake City

Do you mean 'similar in size?' Because, as I understand it, the Salt Lake City office is Reservations and everything related to customer service. Obviously another reservations office is not needed, but I think a sizable office handling many corporate functions in Florida would be cheaper than New York. I don't know all the parts of the airline, but certainly any company the size of JetBlue will have a lot of finance, budgets, accounting, IT, training, maintenance records, compliance, and treasury people working for them - as I said before, these are employees that don't need to be in NYC.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Yes, I meant similar in size.

Also, doesn't JetBlue have a lot of partnerships with other New York businesses? I just don't see moving to Florida as a good idea for such an airline.

And trust me, the quality of life in Florida is nothing compared to New York. I've lived here for 9 1/2 years. Our economy is in deep trouble right now. If one airline can't stimulate Orlando's economy, how would two be able to do it? Orlando is primarily focused on tourism and healthcare, not business.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3634 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
Also, doesn't JetBlue have a lot of partnerships with other New York businesses? I just don't see moving to Florida as a good idea for such an airline.

Doesn't matter. AA and DL have very lucrative business contracts in New York and they aren't based there. If they moved to Florida I don't see them losing any local clout or contracts.

What's good for the airline is their bottom line. If operating in Florida saves them enough money to justify the move, then they will do it.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
If one airline can't stimulate Orlando's economy, how would two be able to do it? Orlando is primarily focused on tourism and healthcare, not business.

Tourism and healthcare are businesses. Again, it doesn't matter. Airline operations are specific - there doesn't need to be an established workforce or business base. They pull talent from across the country. For lower ranking positions, most certainly they can hire talented people and pay them less of a salary in Florida than New York.

B6 will do what is best for their corporation and shareholders. They won't stay in New York unless it is cost effective. With that said, I hope they do stay in New York, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did make the move.


User currently offlineB752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3589 times:



Quoting Bigsky09 (Reply 12):
For lower cost of living and a better quality of life, sure!

That all depends on how you look at things. Those people will be moving from the largest, most diverse metro area in the country, loaded with great museums, theater, sports teams, shopping, etc. for essentially bland Orlando (as far as diversity goes) and far less on the other things mentioned.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4233 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3513 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
What's good for the airline is their bottom line. If operating in Florida saves them enough money to justify the move, then they will do it.

Right!
Basing yourself, or at least the bulk of your headquarters, in Florida doesn't mean they won't service NYC just as much as they do currently. And I have a hard time believing that New York can offer anywhere near the real estate or cost benefits that the Orlando area will offer JetBlue. The otherwise depressed economy in central Florida just makes me think that they will put together an even more impressive package to lure B6 south!



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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3473 times:



Quoting B752os (Reply 17):
That all depends on how you look at things. Those people will be moving from the largest, most diverse metro area in the country, loaded with great museums, theater, sports teams, shopping, etc. for essentially bland Orlando (as far as diversity goes) and far less on the other things mentioned.

Ok, I give it to you, NYC does have great musumes and theatres but Orlando by all means is not bland. It has shopping, and the people down there are much nicer and easier to deal with than New Yorkers and aside from the Yankees the sports teams in NYC suck! If they Yankees didn't spend a billion dollars they wouldn't have won this year. I worked for Jetblue for 7 years and spent my share of time in NYC, I would have to say overall it was a good experience. But it gets old dealing with New Yorkers who think that NYC is the best city in the world but you ask New Yorkers that don't like in the city anymore if they will ever go back to live its always the same answer "hell no". To me it doesn't matter, I know longer work for Jetblue and I no longer live in Orlando so eitherway Goodluck to B6! I moving to FLL and my airline is based in Dallas!


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3288 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 8):
This also means a nice pay cut for JetBlue Corporate Execs. Do you really think they would be willing to do that? JetBlue is well established up in NYC, and I am sure that they are doing everything they can to keep B6 HQs in New York.

Pay cuts wont occur for anyone. What will most likely happen is any new hires that come on board will start at a slightly lower pay scale. As well, most execs are contracted and I doubt there's a clause that says "your pay is X unless we move your position somewhere else and then it will be X".


User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Why would you run an airline from Manhattan? Surely it makes way more sense to run an airline from an airport location?
Shareholders who watch their executives waste money on a city centre corporate headquarters (especially in an expensive city like NYC) without asking for their resignations should get their heads examined.


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3235 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 21):
Why would you run an airline from Manhattan? Surely it makes way more sense to run an airline from an airport location?
Shareholders who watch their executives waste money on a city centre corporate headquarters (especially in an expensive city like NYC) without asking for their resignations should get their heads examined.

The caviat to your statement being .. unless the city gave such a massive tax break or incredible incentives that it made it worth it to move to such a location.

Who knows, maybe Harlem or Washington Heights have such a deal waiting for them but my money is on Orlando (except Executive Team, et al) unless Brooklyn or Queens really come through with something amazing.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3199 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
I highly doubt there would be pay cuts for executives, if not any employees who make the move (what sort of incentive would that be to move??)



Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 20):
Pay cuts wont occur for anyone.

While any executives who move might not see pay cuts, the norm for companies relocating to a lower-cost location is for most employees who relocate to take a pay cut. Based on my experience (and I've been involved in a few of these moves), as part of the relocation package employees will usually retain their "New York" salary for a year or two, sometimes longer, then take a modest pay cut that reflects the lower cost of living. The cuts usually still leave the employee at a higher after-tax pay rate, and usually a higher discretionary income rate in general, than a local person hired in to do the same job with the same education and experience, and also take into account that some employees cannot be easily replaced from the new-location talent pool

In some cases where the cut is at least partially based on the fact that Florida doesn't have a personal income tax, the state-income-tax portion of the cut may be imposed immediately - but since it doesn't affect the employee's after-tax income, it's harmless.

As for incentive, right now (and for 2010, if not longer) the biggest incentive to move is that you get to stay employed. That's a powerful incentive, particularly if your position is very industry-specific...it isn't like other airline HQs are hiring that much.

Quoting Bigsky09 (Reply 12):
For lower cost of living and a better quality of life, sure!

"Quality of life" is hard to quantify - for a live theater fan, or someone who loves winter sports or just prefers a "four-season" climate, moving to Orlando is a loss of quality of life. On the other hand, for a golf lover, it's a step up. I will say that a lot of Northerners don't realize how much of the year is humid and sort of, well, nasty (in my humidity-hating opinion) in Florida, and particularly in Orlando because of its inland position. On the other hand, you don't have to shovel snow.

My experience has been that the most important factors aren't climate, culture, or any of that...the most important considerations are a spouse's career, children's education, and proximity to family.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12782 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3160 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
B6 will do what is best for their corporation and shareholders. They won't stay in New York unless it is cost effective. With that said, I hope they do stay in New York, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did make the move.

 checkmark  If it cuts there costs... it should be considered. They are an airline! The execs could fly MCO-JFK if they feel the urge for a weekend to see a show or two on Broadway. The cost of living difference would allow the jaunts with a lower tax basis.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 18):
Basing yourself, or at least the bulk of your headquarters, in Florida doesn't mean they won't service NYC just as much as they do currently. And I have a hard time believing that New York can offer anywhere near the real estate or cost benefits that the Orlando area will offer JetBlue. The otherwise depressed economy in central Florida just makes me think that they will put together an even more impressive package to lure B6 south!

 checkmark  NYC would see no cut in service just for a HQ move.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 23):
and proximity to family.

Elderly family will be able to afford to move to Orlando, not so much to NYC...

Lightsaber



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25 ExFATboy : True, but elderly family may not want to move to Orlando. If you were a JetBlue employee with an elderly, widowed parent living in the same apartment
26 Lightsaber : But in this environment, how many people wouldn't move unless they had another job lined up? While moving involuntarily would... not be good. A nice
27 STT757 : Moving to Orlando would mean a pay raise for Jetblue employees; 1.) No State income tax 2.) Lower Property taxes/DMV charges/ lower fuel prices etc..
28 Luckyone : Orlando would be MANY TIMES cheaper than New York city when you factor in overhead such as real estate, especially right now with land prices in the
29 Jetstar : That’s New York in a nutshell, taxes and more taxes. There are a lot of hidden business taxes that the average person does not see, like taxes on r
30 JBAirwaysFan : But you have to love those hurricanes! I went through Charley, Frances, and Jeanne back in 2004. I'd rather shovel snow.
31 ThegreatRDU : RDU is working really well for B6 and they have room to grow there...unfortunately I see only more frequencies to their hubs and focus cities...but th
32 JBAirwaysFan : Precisely. And real estate is really getting hammered, just about as much as the airline industry.
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