Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4587 posts, RR: 26 Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8577 times:
A bunch of changes were loaded this past weekend affecting DL's Summer 2010 transatlantic and transpacific schedules:
NEW Changes:
JFK-MXP upgauged to A333 from 763
JFK-DUB upgauged to 764 from 763
JFK-ATH upgauged to A333 from 763
ATL-LGW upgauged to A332 from 763
ATL-CDG upgauged to A333 from 763 (one flight only; the other daily remains a 763)
ATL-NRT now all 10x weekly 77L (used to be daily 744 and 3x weekly 77L)
DTW-FRA downgauged to 763 from A330
DTW-AMS small change from 4x daily A333 to 3x daily A333 + 1 daily A332
MEM-AMS downgauged to 763 from A330
NRT-BKK upgauged to A333 from A332
NRT-HKG back to 744 for summer from A333 (winter)
And the usual summer upgauge; ATL-FCO to A333; one JFK-FCO to A333
Previously-unannounced changes that were loaded in the past few weeks:
JFK-IST upgauged to 764 from 763
JFK-NCE upgauged to 764 from 763
JFK-BUD, JFK-PRG, JFK-CAI all going daily from 4-5x weekly previously
PDX-AMS upgauged to A332 from 763
ATL-LOS to daily from 5x weekly
ATL-MXP reduced to 5x weekly from daily
JFK-ACC reduced to 5x weekly from daily last summer (due to 3x weekly new ATL-ACC)
Previously-announced changes now loaded:
JFK-NRT to 744 from 777
JFK-TLV to 744 from 763
JFK-KBP upgauged to 764 from 763
LAX-NRT to A332 from 744 (the daily flight); the other 4x weekly is a 77L
JFK-ABV loaded (3x weekly 763)
Interesting points from the S10 schedule:
JFK will be the biggest transatlantic gateway - about 49,000 seats on 218 weekly flights versus ATL's 42,000+ seats on 176 weekly flights
More 764ER flying out of JFK than ATL - I assume they'll open a 764 pilot base out of JFK (now only ATL has a 764 pilot base)
The A332 utilization still looks very, very tight, whereas there seems to be quite some slack in the 763ER utilization; we may yet see some more tweaks there....
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5770 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8218 times:
This one seems a bit strange, considering the 764ER can easily operate that route. Perhaps the reason may be because the 764ER has more J seats, and many premium travelers prefer to fly to LHR over LGW.
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Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8091 times:
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): A bunch of changes were loaded this past weekend affecting DL's Summer 2010 transatlantic and transpacific schedules:
NEW Changes:
JFK-MXP upgauged to A333 from 763
JFK-DUB upgauged to 764 from 763
JFK-ATH upgauged to A333 from 763
ATL-LGW upgauged to A332 from 763
ATL-CDG upgauged to A333 from 763 (one flight only; the other daily remains a 763)
ATL-NRT now all 10x weekly 77L (used to be daily 744 and 3x weekly 77L)
DTW-FRA downgauged to 763 from A330
DTW-AMS small change from 4x daily A333 to 3x daily A333 + 1 daily A332
MEM-AMS downgauged to 763 from A330
NRT-BKK upgauged to A333 from A332
NRT-HKG back to 744 for summer from A333 (winter)
Further merger integration from NW to DL and Vice versa. I never thought we would see Delta 767 at NRT but then stranger things have happened.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8078 times:
I still find it interesting KBP gets a 764 while SVO gets 763s from both ATL and JFK.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8005 times:
IIRC ATL-LGW was a 330(can't remember if it was a 300 or a 200) last year. IMO this wont be the last change. They still seem to have more 332 flights than planes. I expect a few more 333 routes to europe
Nice upgrade in seats to HKG. Hope that next year we will see a SEA/LAX/ATL-HKG flight vs the upgraded NRT flight.
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): LAX-NRT to A332 from 744 (the daily flight); the other 4x weekly is a 77L
Still wish they would do 7x 777 4x 332. It looks like they are using one slot pair from ATL/LAX-NRT
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): And the usual summer upgauge; ATL-FCO to A333; one JFK-FCO to A333
DTW-FCO coming back? also is JFK-FCO 2x daily 1x 333 1x 763?
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): More 764ER flying out of JFK than ATL - I assume they'll open a 764 pilot base out of JFK (now only ATL has a 764 pilot base)
This is the plan, along with the 90/32X swap in SLC.
They also are looking into a 330 ATL base but don't have the sims for all the time. If/When they get an extra sim they will open an ATL base. For now they will just DH the crews.
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): JFK-BUD, JFK-PRG, JFK-CAI all going daily from 4-5x weekly previously
all 763s?
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Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7931 times:
A bit off-topic, but does someone have a list of routes that will see the 744 next summer?
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7880 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4): They also are looking into a 330 ATL base but don't have the sims for all the time. If/When they get an extra sim they will open an ATL base. For now they will just DH the crews.
Why would they need an extra sim?? There is quite a bit of slack in the A330 cockpit crew scheduling as it is anyway, with two of them currently in the desert. There would be no open bidding for an ATL base if there were displacements from the other base. That is, if the opening of an ATL base displaced 50 from MSP, 50 from DTW, or something like that.... those 100 pilots would get first bid choice on the ATL base, regardless of seniority bidding across the board.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7873 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 5): A bit off-topic, but does someone have a list of routes that will see the 744 next summer?
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4587 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7859 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):
DTW-FCO coming back? also is JFK-FCO 2x daily 1x 333 1x 763?
Yes, DTW-FCO A333 daily is back
JFK-FCO is 1 daily A333 and 5x weekly 763ER (last summer was 1 A333 daily + 4x weekly 763ER)
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4): Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
JFK-BUD, JFK-PRG, JFK-CAI all going daily from 4-5x weekly previously
all 763s?
Yes, BUD, PRG, and CAI all 763ERs.
Quoting Web (Reply 5): but does someone have a list of routes that will see the 744 next summer?
NRT-DTW
NRT-MSP
NRT-JFK
NRT-HNL (2x daily) (increase from 1x 744 and 1x A333)
NRT-MNL
NRT-HKG
NGO-DTW
NGO-MNL
KIX-HNL (upgauge from A333)
JFK-TLV
Also, it looks like both the JFK-MAD and JFK-DUB will be using the 76D (764ER with flat-bed J seats currently used only on LHR flights) starting June 1, 2010. So clearly, there will be additional 76C to 76D conversions this coming winter/next spring....
KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7816 times:
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): 763
JFK-BUD, JFK-PRG, JFK-CAI all going daily from 4-5x weekly previously
Good to hear the DL is doing well in Budapest. DL use to operate this route with A310s and later codeshare MA's BUD-JFK route in the 90s.
MA no longer flies long-hauls. But I wonder if AA would ever consider BUD as another european OneWorld hub? BUD is in the center of Europe and MA offers a 2 tier connections to the rest of Europe.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
I've watched with interest these last few years how NWA and now DL have continued to play musical planes in these markets - everything from 757-332-333-DC10-742 and 744s.
HKG is obviously one of Asia's larger markets but seemingly NW/DL has struggled in maintaining consistent service pattern.
I guess the longer term future for DL HKG should be similar to what United does with nonstop links to the US and forgo the NRT tag eventually.
For BKK I suppose while a popular market its lower yielding one while also being the hub of a competing alliance which likely is why United has continued to succeed using larger equipment while NW/DL has been down to as little as 757s.
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BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7614 times:
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5770 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
Perhaps another reason for the increase of A330 flights out of ATL is because DL will be installing the new Thompson Vantage BusinessElite seats on the rest of the 764ER fleet next year, which will require several aircraft to temporarily be out of service. The 763ER upgrades should begin in 2011.
[Edited 2009-11-30 12:06:19]
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SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7293 times:
This is somewhat surprising. Though US did drop its MXP service, JFK-MXP remains awfully competitive with AA, AZ, AND DL in the mix. I guess there must be more ties between NYC and Italy's fashion/biz capital than I thought.
Nice to see one U.S. carrier realize that not everyone wants to fly to LHR! I wonder if DL might consider offering JFK-LGW when the global economy starts to pick up. I think they could possibly pull it off, considering the only options to reach LGW from the U.S. are MCO (BA/VS), TPA (BA), LAS (VS), ATL (DL) and CLT (US).
Quoting Panamair (Thread starter): ATL-NRT now all 10x weekly 77L (used to be daily 744 and 3x weekly 77L)
Ouch. An upgrade from the pax perspective but far less capacity...
Luckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14352 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 11): Will LHR remain a Boeing 767-400 route only?
Yes because they want the new BusinessElite seats in that market.
Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 3): I still find it interesting KBP gets a 764 while SVO gets 763s from both ATL and JFK.
Perhaps because there may be more business traffic to SVO, including probably relatively strong O&D from JFK while I would think that Kiev, like many Eastern European destinations, probably is mostly VFR traffic.
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Luckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7252 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16): Perhaps because there may be more business traffic to SVO, including probably relatively strong O&D from JFK while I would think that Kiev, like many Eastern European destinations, probably is mostly VFR traffic.
So they're sending the plane with the inferior business product to the bigger business destination???
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14352 posts, RR: 26 Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7193 times:
Quoting Luckyone (Reply 17): So they're sending the plane with the inferior business product to the bigger business destination???
Only 7 of the 764s have the new seats in business, which are always sent to London and a few other places. I don't know for sure but I would venture a guess that the 764s sent to Kiev are probably not the upgraded ones and therefore have the same business class as the 763.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5980 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7182 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4): . Hope that next year we will see a SEA/LAX/ATL-HKG flight vs the upgraded NRT flight.
Are you suggesting a SEA-HKG, LAX-HKG, and a SEA-HKG next year and dropping the NRT-HKG flight. Do have passenger data to support that kind of increase in service?
Luckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 19): Are you suggesting a SEA-HKG, LAX-HKG, and a SEA-HKG next year and dropping the NRT-HKG flight. Do have passenger data to support that kind of increase in service?
I wonder if he means that we'll see service from at least one of those cities. ATL is probably far fetched. SEA (given the recent focus) would probably be the best bet.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5980 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7122 times:
Quoting Luckyone (Reply 20): I wonder if he means that we'll see service from at least one of those cities. ATL is probably far fetched. SEA (given the recent focus) would probably be the best bet.
If anyone else said it, I would take it to mean either SEA-LAX or ATL but not from DeltaL1011man.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6997 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16): Yes because they want the new BusinessElite seats in that market.
Sorry to ask such a daft question, but with WidgetHeads down I cant find out... will the BusinessElite seats be installed on any other aircraft soon that may well end up at LHR?
25 BMI727: I would hope so, but as far as I know only the 764s will be getting them and the 777-200ER fleet is getting the herringbone lie flat seats like the L
26 1337Delta764: The 763ERs will be getting the Thompson Vantage BusinessElite seats like on the 764ERs starting in 2011, alongside new slimline seats and PTVs in Y.
27 BMI727: Thanks for the info. I think that they would be stupid not to, unless they are contemplating retirement of the 744s in the near future, but I don't se
28 Panamair: The upgauge in JFK-MXP comes at the expense of ATL (being reduced to 5x weekly 763ER from a daily 764 last summer). Actually, total number of seats o
29 MAH4546: AZ will have one daily MXP-U.S. flight effective 28MAR09: MoThSa to Miami and TuWeFrSu to JFK.
30 DeltaL1011man: not from from Atlanta. My guess is Delta feels like they many lose PAXs due to the upgrade of JFK-NRT. BTW i'm a little shocked with so many JFK seat
31 MAH4546: Nothing has been applied for, and it is a process that, through DOT, could easily take as long as 8 months, even though it is unlikely not to be appr
32 DeltaL1011man: Ah I didn't know they haven't applied yet. If BA/AA/IB doesn't make it you think they will give it to them?
33 MAH4546: In the extremely unlikely event that BA/AA/IB is denied, then that is an indication that DOT in general has reversed its view on the effectiveness of
34 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: So can we assume that S10 aircraft utilization will look something like this? (I know this might be overly simplistic from a scheduling standpoint) DT
35 Cubsrule: I'm not sure it's a bad sign - if the route could perform acceptably on a larger D10/330, surely it will perform acceptably with a more appropriately
36 PDXBJV: Well with that said then, what makes the A330 not appropriately sized, if it performs acceptably?
37 Cubsrule: Imagine a situation in which the 330 makes $2 but the 763 makes $5. Both are making money (and thus performing acceptably), but the 763 is better.
38 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: I think it is safe to assume that the route performs "acceptably"....seeing as how the service has been pretty consistent. I think it is also safe to
39 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: I believe there are 11 A332 frames. From my calculations we have the following: SFO-NRT-PEK-NRT-SFO - 2 frames needed LAX-NRT-PVG-NRT-LAX - 2 frames
40 PSU.DTW.SCE: Yep. The schedule isn't done yet. Its pretty typical to see some conflicting equipment uses this early in the schedule while it is still rough. NW ha
41 Transpac787: A330's are not fenced. Fenced aircraft for NW are: 16x 747-400 and any subsequent direct replacement. e.g. 1:1 773ER for 744 18x 787-8 or "any compar
42 Cubsrule: Practically, how does that work? Surely, there aren't any ex-NW guys that want to move over to the 772 for only two ships - once more come, it will o
43 Luckyone: Well it's speculation based on my interpretation of the recent events and how hard Delta has lobbied for the JL deal. So yes, no hard facts! But read
44 Transpac787: It has to do with staffing levels, not flying the exact ships. I have NO idea what DL runs their widebodies at in regard to crew scheduling, but just
46 Panamair: There should be another 2 that are spoken for since NRT-HNL goes double daily 744 and KIX-HNL also goes 744 (from A333) No, you're right...I came to
47 Panamair: The other "unsolved" issue is with the 75E (17 frames on the DL side from the ex-AA/TW fleet). Based on current schedules, they will needmore than the
48 AirGabon: What about DKR? Still flights from JFK? 757 or 763?
49 Bobnwa: Still don't understand what you are "hoping" for. Do want one flight to go ATL/LAX/SEA/HKG or do you want three flights ATL-HKG, LAX-HKG, SEA-HKG? Yo
50 RwSEA: With this schedule, where would maintenance be performed and how would that be factored in? It was my understanding that all A330 maintenance is perf
51 SW733: I wish. As a loyal OneWorld flyer and frequent visitor to Hungary (family), I would love it now that Malev is no longer doing longhauls. As it stands
52 DeltaL1011man: Nope just the 747s and 787s.(and replacements) you forgot KIX-NRT, NRT-HNL is 2x daily plus wouldn't they want 2ish extra in case of MX and such? For
53 Tommy767: I think MEM will be alright. DL seems to be using the 763 on routes to AMS pretty regularly (EWR/MSP-AMS for example.)
54 Panamair: Yes, JFK-DKR is so far scheduled to remain as a 4x weekly 757 service: DL 216 JFK 4:15pm DKR 4:45am+ Tu Th Sa Su 75E DL 217 DKR 1:30pm JFK 6:15pm We
55 WorldTraveler: Are any of the NW 757's scheduled right now other than on intra-Asia flights? DL could easily move the NW 757s to the JFKLAX run and leave the DL 757
56 Hjulicher: Does anyone have a list of the complete S10 DL Long-Haul Schedule? What about the new annoucements for DTW-HKG, ICN? BTW, does DL operate the 763ER on
57 DeltaL1011man: Don't believe so. I would also expect Delta will have to use some of NW's 75As for Hawaii routes as they have 4 planes that they say are going to do
58 Panamair: As of today for the peak summer (always subject to change, of course): Transatlantic: JFK-LHR 764 2x daily JFK-MAN 75E Daily JFK-DUB 764 Daily JFK-SN
59 Transpac787: They are, to some extent, operating the currently less-than-daily PDX-HNL and SFO-HNL.
60 Transpac787: I notice very few 772ER's in the schedule, only see them on: DTW-ICN DTW-PVG ATL-LOS ATL-FRA I assume this is because they'll be getting interior rec
61 DeltaL1011man: ATL-TLV is also a 77E, but yes Lie-flat mods start Q1 2010
62 JohnJ: Back in KLM days MEM-AMS operated with a 763 half the year, so this is not without precedent.
64 Jetlanta: I remember when the Delta timetable arrived in the mail that featured the Eiffel Tower on the cover. Delta was finally flying to Paris! That was what
65 BMI727: Nothing, just that the 763 may be more appropriately sized. There may be two things at play here. First, the reduction in seats may allow DL to get b
66 Flydeltasjets: With respect, you are incorrect on 777 issue. All present and future deliveries of 777s are fenced until five years after SOC (Single Operating Certi
68 Transpac787: No, I am not. Surely you have a copy of the Seniority Integration Abitration ruling dated 08 December 2008, yes?? I'll reference page numbers then, f
69 DiscoverCSG: This is an interesting schedule. Why is the return leg flown at different times on different days of the week?
70 Flydeltasjets: Transpac, You are misreading the award. The pages you reference are background material, ie: Bloch explaining his reasoning and addressing the argumen
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