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Widebody Service To CLE?  
User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Very simple question...

Has there ever been any scheduled widebody service to CLE? I know CO has diverted some flights before to CLE that were widebody, but I am concerned with actual scheduled service that was widebody. Answers?

Thanks

EvanBu

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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3775 times:



Quoting Evanbu (Thread starter):
Very simple question...

Has there ever been any scheduled widebody service to CLE? I know CO has diverted some flights before to CLE that were widebody, but I am concerned with actual scheduled service that was widebody. Answers?

And I'm not talking about the 757-300 that CO runs from LAX to CLE, even though that has more capacity that the 767-200.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

go check out www.departedflights.com
CLE has seen a good amount of scheduled widebody service in the past. Including Pan Am 310s, UA D10s,747,767, and CO A300s.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

JAT flew the DC-10 into Cleveland. However, it was charter, and not scheduled service.
Did DL ever use the 763 into CLE? Back when UA had a hub at CLE I'm guessing it saw some widebodies.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting Evanbu (Thread starter):
Has there ever been any scheduled widebody service to CLE?

Yes CLE has had widebody service in the past. As far back as 1974 (from the April 1, 1974 OAG), UA had 7 daily widebodies from CLE including 2 747s (to MIA and ORD, and 5 DC-10s to SFO/TPA/PIT/EWR/ORD. NW also had 1 daily DC-10 then CLE-IAD.

In April 1981 widebody flights from CLE had dropped to 5 daily, all DC-10s to ORD (3 UA and 2 NW).

In February 1985 the only widebodies were a UA DC-10 snd 762, both to ORD.

In October 1991 the only widebodies were 2 daily CO A300s to DEN.

[Edited 2009-11-30 15:00:38]

[Edited 2009-11-30 15:02:23]

[Edited 2009-11-30 15:03:40]

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9236 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3679 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
As far back as 1974 (from the April 1, 1974 OAG), UA had 7 daily widebodies from CLE including 2 747s (to MIA and ORD, and 5 DC-10s to SFO/TPA/PIT/EWR/ORD. NW also had 1 daily DC-10 then CLE-IAD.

So CLE-PIT was operated with a DC-10? That would have to be one of the shortest routes to ever see widebody service!



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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3679 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
In February 1985 the only widebodies were a UA DC-10 snd 762, both to ORD.

And now its a few mainline flights with the majority being regional jets...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3641 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
As far back as 1974 (from the April 1, 1974 OAG), UA had 7 daily widebodies from CLE including 2 747s (to MIA and ORD, and 5 DC-10s to SFO/TPA/PIT/EWR/ORD. NW also had 1 daily DC-10 then CLE-IAD.

So CLE-PIT was operated with a DC-10? That would have to be one of the shortest routes to ever see widebody service!

There were many very short widebody services before deregulation. One of the reasons why UA used the DC-10, and occasionally even 747s, on those routes to/from CLE and PIT was because UA then didn't have the route authority to operate nonstop between ORD and points in Florida, but they did have rights between both CLE and PIT and several points in Florida, inherited from their 1961 merger with Capital Airlines.

So if you wanted to go from points like ORD or DTW to Florida on UA before deregulation, you had to connect at either CLE or PIT. The only carriers with nonstop authority between ORD and Florida then were Delta, Northwest and Eastern.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Don't forget Air Canada's CLE-YYZ-LGW operated with a 747.


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User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

NW also had DC-10 service to CLE...and DL had an L-1011 which went to DTW and then LGW, one of PA's former routes which was also operated with an A310 at one point.

AA had DC-10s. I believe not only to ORD, but to BUF as well. And UA, as mentioned with DC-10, 767 and 747 (although don't remember the latter) and AC were covered above. Rich Int'l also had an L-1011 that flew into CLE frequently, although not exactly scheduled.

...and of course, the UP and FX flights which currently operate.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3457 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
Don't forget Air Canada's CLE-YYZ-LGW operated with a 747.

Any AC flights that used LGW would have been charters, and I don't think there were many of those.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3438 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
That would have to be one of the shortest routes to ever see widebody service!

In the early 90's DL ran a L-1011 between either MIA to FLL or vice versa. It was for repositioning purposes, but sold seats.


User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

What about Continental? Any widebodies?

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
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Quoting Evanbu (Reply 12):
What about Continental? Any widebodies?

Not at the moment, though there has been in the past.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3212 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
Don't forget Air Canada's CLE-YYZ-LGW operated with a 747.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Any AC flights that used LGW would have been charters, and I don't think there were many of those.

Thanks for shedding some light on this service.

There is a pic which pops up every now and then of an AC 747 in CLE. There have been previous comments that this was a scheduled CLE-YYZ-LHR service, or even a nonstop CLE-LHR service, although I never thought the latter was true considering the constraints of Bermuda II.

[Edited 2009-11-30 18:49:31]


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3267 times:



Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 13):
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 12):
What about Continental? Any widebodies?

Not at the moment, though there has been in the past.

Ran the A300 between CLE-DEN and CLE-EWR in the early 90's. Also we had some occasional equipment swaps to DC-10's to/from IAH for a while, when engines were flown in as cargo for the CLE MX department. The biggest aircraft right now is the 753 to LAS year-round, and to IAH and LAX during the summer months.


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3253 times:



Quoting Evanbu (Reply 12):
What about Continental? Any widebodies?

These days CO considers a 737 to be a widebody at CLE....


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3194 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
So CLE-PIT was operated with a DC-10? That would have to be one of the shortest routes to ever see widebody service!

Try MIAFLL or FLLPBI on L1011s as tag-ons by EA and DL in the '70s and '80s.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3114 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 16):
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 12):
What about Continental? Any widebodies?

These days CO considers a 737 to be a widebody at CLE....

Uh, actually, they don't.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

TWA used to fly a 767-200 CLE-STL


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2247 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2878 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
As far back as 1974 (from the April 1, 1974 OAG), UA had 7 daily widebodies from CLE including 2 747s (to MIA and ORD, and 5 DC-10s to SFO/TPA/PIT/EWR/ORD. NW also had 1 daily DC-10 then CLE-IAD.

So CLE-PIT was operated with a DC-10? That would have to be one of the shortest routes to ever see widebody service!

When widebodies entered service in the early '70s, many airlines combined two 707 or DC-8 flights to nearby cities, into one widebody that served both cities.

Some examples:

DL combined early evening DTW-TPA and DTW-MIA flights into one DTW-TPA-MIA 747 - and yes, you could book a seat on the TPA-MIA tag on the 747.

AA combined morning BOS-LAX and PHL-LAX 707s into a BOS-PHL-LAX DC-10.

In this case, it appears CLE-PIT was a tag at the end of a SFO-CLE flight, because the two flights are UA 71 / UA 72.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9236 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2839 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
So if you wanted to go from points like ORD or DTW to Florida on UA before deregulation, you had to connect at either CLE or PIT. The only carriers with nonstop authority between ORD and Florida then were Delta, Northwest and Eastern.

Wow! That's interesting that CLE and PIT were connecting points pre-deregulation...

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
Try MIAFLL or FLLPBI on L1011s as tag-ons by EA and DL in the '70s and '80s.

Yeah, I saw someone posted that before.

Seeing how back then widebodies were used to essentially combine frequencies and given what is used nowadays, I think I can see why people are pushing for re-regulation...



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User currently offlineExFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2739 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Yes CLE has had widebody service in the past. As far back as 1974 (from the April 1, 1974 OAG), UA had 7 daily widebodies from CLE including 2 747s (to MIA and ORD, and 5 DC-10s to SFO/TPA/PIT/EWR/ORD. NW also had 1 daily DC-10 then CLE-IAD.

I rode on UA DC10 from CLE to TPA and return somethime back in 70s. They had less than 100 pax on-board and it was the first and only time I couldn't lift my head from the seat during climb as the pilot set it on its tail shortly after wheels up.



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User currently offlineATAflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Yes, indeed. I was a teen in 1975 and flew CLE-ORD on the UA 747 'Royal Hawaiian' that continued on to HNL from ORD.
I remember feeling lucky to get off in ORD for my TWA flight to ABQ, as the UA crew played the Hawaiian mood music the whole flight to ORD....it was probably meant as boarding music only...but I was ready to get off in Chicago!



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2628 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
Wow! That's interesting that CLE and PIT were connecting points pre-deregulation...

Certainly. UA had a peak of 79 flights a day in PIT in 1979. N702ML did a hub history of UA at CLE on departedflights.com if you'll have a look. They were inherited by Capital Airlines, which UA acquired in 1960 and integrated in 1961.



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25 Joeman : Yes they did, the BUF route was an extension of AA CLE-LAX DC-10 service around 1972, later changed to ROC. EA had a very short lived L-1011 CLE-MIA,
26 WA707atMSP : In 1972, AA96 routed LAX-DTW-BUF-LGA. In June 72, AA 96 was near Windsor, Ontario, climbing out of DTW for BUF, when the aft cargo door opened in fli
27 SW733 : I once saw a 747 at CLE, on a CLE to ORD route. Flight attendants were interesting though, they looked like David Spade and Chris Farley.
28 RL757PVD : CO Doesn't but the passengers do I remember when I flew into CLE I think it was in 1998 (maybe 97) seeing a UA DC-10 take off.
29 N62NA : Compared to the RJs, yes, a 737 IS a widebody!
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