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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Rumor has it G4 will announce service to MCO tomorrow. They plan on serving 10 cities to MCO and 21 cities to SFB. The MCO cities will all be FL cities that have nonstop service to MCO. Has anyone else heard anything?


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

Sounds like a real slug fest brewing. If this is true, FL must be having some success at their MCO strategy. I question the logic of G4 maintaining operations at two Orlando airports and overlapping airport staff. If they are going to MCO, they should do all or none.

User currently offlineClemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11143 times:

This can only be good for the consumer and the markets involved. One of the big reasons I had been avoiding G4 was the use of SFB over MCO. I understand it's cheaper, but a lot more inconvenient when traveling to the amusement parks. However, as with all rumors I await official confirmation.

User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11064 times:

Hmm. I wonder if this means good news for other markets served by G4 out of SFB. Will FL start service to places like FSD, FAR, CID, etc? I hope so Big grin However this is very interesting.

It seems now G4 is possibly looking to compete with other LCC's, and major airlines. However like ClemsonAj said, still have to wait for an actual announcment.



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User currently offlineAv8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11056 times:

I was speaking to an Allegiant employee Saturday night and he confirmed this as well. He added that all flights will eventually be moved from SFB to MCO.

Cheers,
Drew MCO



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11035 times:

Wasn't G4 one of the most profitable carriers as a percentage of their revenue? I can't understand changing something that works (unless it isn't anymore.)

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1902 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10843 times:

This would be a major blow to SFB if G4 moves to MCO. Poor SFB can't ever get a break. Transmeridian, Pan Am, and now maybe Allegiant. It's a nice airport, just a little too far removed from the attractions.

I always thought G4 was big on avoiding direct competition with the other airlines. I guess their business plan is changing a bit...


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10823 times:

Should help G4 a bit since MCO is much more convenient to the touristy parts of Orlando (I-Drive and WDW) than SFB. Add in that MCO offers Disney's Magical Express and it should help G4 out. Staying at SFB and facing AirTran flying out of MCO gives AirTran the edge for anyone going to the tourist traps. While I think AirTran still has an advantage (namely that for a lot of cities, they can route people over BWI/ATL/MKE if the need occurs), this cuts into it a bit.

User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10808 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Thread starter):
The MCO cities will all be FL cities that have nonstop service to MCO.

This goes against everything G4 is..why the sudden change? How are they going to make profits? Surely a fare war will ensue....



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 752 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10789 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 8):
This goes against everything G4 is

Idk, I don't think it would be a bad change, they already operate at LAS in with everyone...it's not like they have never operated into a big airport before...


Just my opinion...


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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10772 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 9):
Idk, I don't think it would be a bad change, they already operate at LAS in with everyone...it's not like they have never operated into a big airport before...

Now how much direct competition does G4 have on their routes out of LAS? Your comparing 2 different animals here....



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10758 times:

I always thought G4 was big on avoiding direct competition with the other airlines. I guess their business plan is changing a bit...

The competition came to them. IIRC, AirTran is still flying to every city from which they have started G4-style less-than-weekly service to MCO. That suggests that the strategy is working financially for them, which is a direct challenge to Allegiant. G4 likely has no choice but to move from SFB to MCO to remain competitive. If this does happen, I'd bet Av8orwalk is right--they'll ultimately consolidate at MCO; no point to being at two airports.

Some practical questions: what are the landing fees for a Mad Dog at each of the two airports? And what gates are available at MCO? How many does G4 use now at SFB?

Jim


User currently offlineBoydatageek From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10756 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 9):
Idk, I don't think it would be a bad change, they already operate at LAS in with everyone...it's not like they have never operated into a big airport before...

Also remember that they chose LAX over other LA Airports.

So the idea of major airports over the less conjested ones is growing on them


User currently offlineBoydatageek From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10744 times:

I think that FL's DSM service announcement was the last straw. Now FL has one more fued they need to manage (along with YX, DL, and their Pilot Union)

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10716 times:

Shameless self-gloss ... called this one 4 years ago when they opened SFB :p Allegiant Hub In SFB (by Sunking737 Mar 30 2005 in Civil Aviation)

...assuming it happens  

[Edited 2009-11-30 22:20:41]


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User currently offlineAv8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Hmmm...maybe G4 will take B6 gates at MCO. That paves the way for a hook up between WN and G4. Dump the Mad Dogs, add the 190's on those routes. WN serves the smaller markets with a more efficient aircraft. Continues to build at MCO and LAS. PHX may be an issue.  Smile Could it work?

A boy can dream...  Smile 2 of my favorite airlines becoming one!

Cheers,
Drew MCO



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10369 times:



Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 3):
Hmm. I wonder if this means good news for other markets served by G4 out of SFB. Will FL start service to places like FSD, FAR, CID, etc?

Why?

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 8):
This goes against everything G4 is..why the sudden change? How are they going to make profits? Surely a fare war will ensue....

If they already compete from SFB then there is already a farewar in place. If anything, G4 needs to be cheaper to SFB than FL would need to be to MCO.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
Shameless self-gloss ... called this one 4 years ago when they opened SFB :p Allegiant Hub In SFB (by Sunking737 Mar 30 2005 in Civil Aviation)

...assuming it happens  

Yes but you didnt say why. No glory for guessing!  Smile


User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

Wow, G4 vs. FL in MCO. I wonder who wins? (No sarcasm in that question).

I'm not familiar with G4 and FL. Aren't the fares cheaper at G4 but you pay for everything in the process? So in the end, which airline is cheaper?

I had a feeling that when FL announced DSM service to MCO, the people at G4 couldn't have been too happy. USUALLY, FL doesn't going stompin' on G4 territory.


User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10270 times:

**ITS TRUE**

Just tried booking Des Moines to Orlando at G4 and this message pulled up-

IMPORTANT TRAVEL UPDATE: All flights serving Orlando, FL will route to/from Orlando/Sanford(SFB) airport through 3/3/2010. Effective 3/5/2010 all flights serving Orlando, FL will route to/from Orlando International Airport(MCO).


User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Wow, maybe I'm crazy, but looking at G4 schedule from DSM-MCO, it shows the flights go at times to 6X weekly. They are really doing everything they can to beat FL....

User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

Here's the press release:

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20091201a.php


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRouteMap.php

It's updated on their routemap too. Click on Orlando and it breaks them out with SFB and MCO.


User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10182 times:



Quote:
Second, it improves our position relative to competitors with service to Orlando International.

No hiding the motivation behind this one.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10176 times:



Quoting Tys777 (Reply 22):
No hiding the motivation behind this one.

At least they're being honest. And it looks like FL must have been having some impact on G4's bookings. Of course, this may incite FL to get even more aggressive.


User currently offlineMcCarranMGR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10142 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 10):


Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 9):
Idk, I don't think it would be a bad change, they already operate at LAS in with everyone...it's not like they have never operated into a big airport before...


Now how much direct competition does G4 have on their routes out of LAS? Your comparing 2 different animals here....

Basically none. I don't have their schedule in front of me, but if my memory serves me correct they only have competition on one possible two of their routes. They may not even have that I would have to compare schedules.


25 727LOVER : Hmmmm.......I wonder if PIE should be worried. At least SFB still has international stuff. PIE has practically nothing besides G4. Are there any plans
26 Tharanga : any idea what % of G4 Orlando pax are on package tours, and as such, didn't necessarily shop around for the airfare themselves? This is an interesting
27 Evanbu : Who wins in DSM? G4 has much more frequency and is here to play. FL is going to have to step it up a little, and they haven't even started the service
28 KcrwFlyer : Same for HTS.
29 Rjnut : Its going to get REAL confusing with the shuttle drivers, meet and greet relatives, etc.as now everyone down there has associated them with SFB and fo
30 Evanbu : G4 had to do something. With FL going into MCO, it WAS going to take part of G4 s business. If it wasn't broke yet, it sure would have been in a whil
31 Enilria : I had heard it about a month ago, but didn't want to post a rumor. That's also what I've heard. If you remember they were very aggressive with NW whe
32 DCA-ROCguy : Now how much direct competition does G4 have on their routes out of LAS? Your comparing 2 different animals here.... This comment makes no sense. G4 h
33 ItalianFlyer : I am curious: how much excess capacity (aka empty gates) does MCO have right now? Could this move be motivated by GOAA 'incentives' to fill space?
34 Evanbu : I wouldn't say demolish. I would say affect. Yes, they are losing some flights, but there are still 20+ destinations from SFB.
35 Evanbu : Quick question-Somewhat random... How many WN flights operate OMA-MCO?
36 JA : Going from all to 21 to eventually zero is in my book, demolished. G4 isn't a "let's run two airports in the same market" kind of player. Those fares
37 Clipper136 : No....G4 will start with 1 Gate in Airside 1. I hinted at this in another thread about the B6/CO Gate moves at MCO, but of course, I could not give d
38 Plainplane : I am a bit stunned by the news that G4 might be abandoning its biggest east coast hub with a maintenance base, few crowds, and immediate takeoff/landi
39 JBAirwaysFan : G4 will serve both TYS and TRI from MCO. It's on AirTran! This is a personal slap in the face from G4. Starting MCO is going to affect some of their
40 MCOatc : Awesome news for us. Always looking for someone new to keep things interesting around here. I believe all of the 30's are common use - NK uses 32 and
41 JBAirwaysFan : Honestly, I think FL will prevail in this new found competition.
42 MetjetCEO : As far as the train service from MCO to Disney goes, I dont see it happening. I did my internship there in college (at WDW) and they said that the tra
43 JBAirwaysFan : Actually, Central Florida is currently trying to get state funding for a high-speed commuter rail that starts in Deland or Deltona (two cities just we
44 NWA757boy : What about the gates NW used prior to moving in with DL or have those already been snatched up? I think there were 4 gates down there? Perhaps could m
45 BMI727 : Either way I think that there will be quite a bit of red ink between the two of them.
46 Joeljack : 1x Weekly Sat only and only for 2 months during the spring. I've thought that FL might start OMA-MCO too very soon. Although that doesn't go against
47 Clipper136 : They will do some Maintenance at MCO. Not sure of the level, but will have space at the NW Cargo Ramp (original terminal ramp) for RON's and Maintena
48 Readytotaxi : From this side of the Pond always disliked flying into SFB, took so long to drive to the hotel in the attraction area. It was uncluttered at the airpo
49 Mariner : Well - maybe. I wouldn't bet against Maurice Gallagher, though, he's done remarkable things with Allegiant in just a few years - and their costs are
50 FATFlyer : Allegiant has typically been pretty upfront in its statements. I've seen some fairly blunt comments from them in the press over the years. People for
51 FlyPNS1 : FL started this war to begin with, so I don't think they are surprised. Despite having lower costs and the package tour business, it seems that FL ha
52 RL757PVD : Because alternative/reliever airports only work when they are more convenient! MCO has better airfield capacity and instrumentation, and for the pass
53 Flyinryan99 : I think one of the reasons why they didn't do all the cities at once is because their booking window is already up until summer 2010. I would bet the
54 KcrwFlyer : God, I hope so. I'd really like to see them start selling connections in MCO from their new cities.
55 Mariner : Who knows? I was surprised, for all the reasons you go on to state, I didn't think they'd change the model. But then I didn't expect LAX. But whether
56 FATFlyer : That is what I expect. But the question was about marketing Daytona packages. I'm not sure how many sales they have had to that area, they only used
57 RL757PVD : I wonder if they could run a DAB operation (probably have to be seasonal) if they shifted the flight to MCO thus emphasizing the attractions vs the be
58 FlyPNS1 : I'm not sure why you think it would be so frustrating. FL is pretty used to competing in almost all their markets. They've rarely had any market hand
59 Dazed767 : I heard about this a month ago, only starting out with 4 aircraft but I didn't know their long term plans were to completely move to MCO.
60 Mariner : I surely think that MKE must be frustrating for them, and this move adds a pressure on Airtran. It may not be a big pressure but it is probably a pre
61 Buddys747 : That would be nice. I'm curious how ABE is going to do. I can't ever tell how many flights a week G4 does to Orlando, but if I were FL, i'd go daily
62 Live2fly83 : EXPECT A FARE FARE G4/FL/WN/B6 BUT SINCE G4 IS NON INTERLINE PT-PT PROB MORE LIKE A G4 VS FL WAR
63 GSPSPOT : This past summer, GSP had daily or near-daily svc to SFD and FLL. It fluctuates throughout the year.
64 YNGguins : VERY Happy to see Youngstown on that list. Now we can prove to all the airlines what we are made of, competing head on with Airtran at CAK and PIT!
65 KcrwFlyer : You were already sustaining a harder to sustain service. Easier to fill a plane to MCO than SFB.. at least in most circles.
66 Post contains links FATFlyer : Some more info and some interesting quotes out of an article tonight from the Orlando paper. "The low-cost airline said that, if things go well at Orl
67 Cubsrule : Do they? My sense is that PIE is closer to the (tourist) center of gravity of Tampa-St Petersburg than is TPA. I don't know. If SFB isn't an option,
68 YNGguins : Let's hope that this move from SFB to MCO for some routes translates into a future move from PGD to RWS down in Southwest Florida. I am telling you wh
69 KcrwFlyer : Why? They're not at war with anyone down there. This move isn't strategical its responsive.
70 AVLAirlineFreq : TRI and GSP also compete for pax from AVL and FL's 3x week service to MCO.
71 Isitsafenow : I dont worry about Allegiant making a profit. They will. Check the value of their stock. Its not too shabby compared with most other airlines in the
72 Mariner : Not as dumb as me. I had the chance to buy in at the IPO - at $19. It is now $44 plus. I didn't, because I wasn't sure if the model was sustainable.
73 Airbusaddict : Same reason they changed these other markets to MCO. Eventually I don't see G4 serving at both of these airports.
74 ThegreatRDU : But this is competition on the exact same route...dealing with low-yielding, price sensitive, leisure traffic...you have to undercut your competition
75 Cubsrule : With lower costs, it seems like G4 would be in good shape to undercut - FL doesn't have a lot of tolerance for sustained money losing.
76 FlyPNS1 : But on P2P routes like these, I'm not so sure G4 has much of a cost advantage.
77 KcrwFlyer : AirTran doesnt fly to CID, FSD, or FAR. ...MKE? (not that I have any real proof)
78 Cubsrule : I'd be curious to see a CASM breakdown for FL on this Florida flying versus their other flying; we know that other things being equal, it's going to
79 ThegreatRDU : A valid point Kcrw....
80 JBirdAV8r : Nor is it far from AVL (just over the mountain), and I'd daresay that's where FL is really trying to undercut the TRI service. Heck, it worked somewh
81 Post contains links Mariner : I only have system wide for 3Q/2009: Allegiant: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Allegi...ny-prnews-1734047228.html?x=0&.v=1 "CASM, excluding fuel (cent
82 Pietpaflsun : I personally fear a serious turf war in central Florida. If competition heats up the way I believe it will, G4 will be forced to strip capacity from P
83 FlyPNS1 : But it's the overall cost of having a hub in ATL that contributes to the higher CASM. Forcing people through hubs is inherently more costly. Flights
84 Cubsrule : Correct - I said the gap wasn't as big as we might otherwise expect, not that there was no gap. No, but can they fill 73Gs? That's a tough question.
85 FlyPNS1 : True, though G4 is using aircraft that seat 130-150 which is inline with FL's 73G's that seat 137.
86 FL787 : It's a different situation but if this were always true I think we'd be seeing different results in MKE. I'd say FL has an advantage over G4 if it ca
87 Post contains links Mariner : I'm not sure what results in MKE you mean. That may be true in a number of stations, but I don't know if anyone has made a study of loyalty to Allegi
88 FL787 : Until F9 began their flying, FL had a lower CASM on most routes but was still failing to make significant inroads on routes such as LGA. Again, it's
89 Airbusaddict : AirTran doesnt fly to GRR, GSO, or YNG, but fly to markets close to them. FAR not necessarily a good example, but CID competes with DSM and MLI, and
90 Post contains links Mariner : No, indeed, it is the constant balance with revenue. Allegiant can make money on lower fares than Airtran, but they still have to get the pax on the
91 CitrusCritter : And yet fuel is an important part of this conversation. G4 has inefficient MDs; FL has modern 717s and 737s. And beyond that, we do not know from the
92 Mariner : Those links also give CASM - including fuel - and the difference still holds, but yes, it is a complex area. Hedges cut both ways. Southwest did grea
93 Cubsrule : It is - but the fact that G4 is using them doesn't mean that the markets can support two carriers with planes that size, and the trip costs of a 712
94 Boydatageek : Given the nature of both carrier's customers/potential customers I bet many won't know the difference! After all many still think that it is the old
95 Live2fly83 : are we forgetting the the wi-fi and xm radio on FL- I think business travellers would notice
96 FATFlyer : AirTran is presenting at Raymond James in Boston Thursday, it will be interesting to see what might come out from there. Allegiant already has 2 new a
97 Mariner : My guess is that both airlines will come out of it okay. I think this is much more about Allegiant's future than the now. I think Allegiant is surely
98 GSPSPOT : Probably, but if my last flight on G4 to SFB was any indication, I don't think the typical G4 travaler would miss them. I absolutely enjoyed my fligh
99 Flyinryan99 : I agree with you here. I think for them to be able to expand in the terciary markets of where AirTran is, they need to be competing to the same place
100 FATFlyer : I agree, personally I think this is to let AirTran know that opening a bunch of leisure only stations will mean a fight with Allegiant. The short-ter
101 AvConsultant : Did Allegiant not purchase the remaining SAS fleet and if so isn't this number somewhere north of 25 aircraft?
102 KcrwFlyer : I could agree with you there. Another advantage AirTran has in this scenario is the loyalty they're able to build up over time. Of course this takes
103 Mariner : Sure does. It is unusual for an airline to say flat-out that they are sending a message to a specific competitor. The only issue I would see is if Ai
104 AVLAirlineFreq : Maybe they're just setting up for a future merger. Okay, I'm joking. Sort of.
105 DCA-ROCguy : So if it continues - if Airtran adds more Allegiant style routes - I think Allegiant might do more, to send an even more direct message. Then things m
106 Mariner : I'm just not sure what "win" means here, unless it is a complete withdrawal by Allegiant from MCO back to SFB. It could happen, I guess, and Allegian
107 FWAERJ : I wonder if FL will "fight fire with fire" and add at least 4-5 more MCO-only cities, with potentially one or two of the cities also served from ATL a
108 DCA-ROCguy : For Airtran, I'm not sure if so much is at stake. If they do drop a couple of minor routes to MCO (not saying they will), does that constitute a win f
109 Mariner : I guess Allegiant could try to drive Airtran out, but only on the small niche routes. As you say, they've always stayed under the radar, but now they
110 FL787 : How is MKE relevant to this situation at all? I wouldn't consider this battle with G4 all that big. We're only talking about a few flights a day wher
111 Mariner : Because Aitran is in a battle there and they are deploying a number of resources to that. One reason, they said, that they did the Skywest deal is be
112 FL787 : But I don't think MKE will influence FL's behavior in MCO at all. Much like F9/YX, I consider FL to be battling on all fronts at all times. FL does n
113 Mariner : Okay, but it does in my book. Airtran's loads and revenue, and thus yield, on certain routes are under pressure at MKE. Sure they are, but there are
114 FL787 : I don't understand how that relates to these routes against G4. But they were already battling G4. The only thing that changed is that G4 now took aw
115 Mariner : Allegiant at SFB was a known quantity. Allegiant at MCO is an unknown quantity and it may - always "may" - change the equation, the dynamics of the c
116 FL787 : I know but it was already a competition and like you said they just changed it. It is not a new competition as you alluded to before.
117 Cubsrule : FL has in the past been very averse to fighting battles with other carriers or sticking around on routes that didn't work - they generally just picke
118 Post contains links Mariner : At least we agree it is changed. In my book, it is "new" to the extent that no one can predict what will happen - or I certainly can't. I don't know
119 FL787 : True besides BWI. I don't know if it's a "good deal" but basically true. But what I'm saying is they were already competing against YX and G4. Are yo
120 Cubsrule : Six months ago, how many WN routes ex-BWI did FL fly? Remember what happened when WN opened DTW-BWI? Competing with G4 (a carrier who, as you point o
121 FL787 : We'll see but I don't think FL will be getting smaller in BWI. They have over 50 flights already and I think they could add more. I know you keep ref
122 Cubsrule : The move isn't a game changer. The changed attitude that caused the move is. I doubt FL expected much of a fight. No, but I don't think they're going
123 KcrwFlyer : FL had a big marketing edge flying to Orlando Proper, vs G4 flying to the Daytona Beach / Northeastern Orlando Airport (aka Sanford ). Why if that wo
124 FL787 : I bet they're surprised G4 decided to move to MCO but I'm not sure they're surprised G4 is fighting. Because if G4 didn't fight back at all and just
125 Cubsrule : G4 could have just stayed the course and adjusted frequency if necessary - this move is much more aggressive than the minimum possible "fight."
126 Post contains links Mariner : I guess that's what they're hoping. Based on all that's been said, it looks as if they were having some load/revenue/yield issues on the "common" rou
127 FATFlyer : I think one thing not discussed yet is Allegiant's talk about their next phase. Most people focus on Allegiant operating the vacation travel flights a
128 Maestrojjp : Another item I'd like to point out is something that's only been mentioned in passing - the airport infrastructure itself. G4 specializes in smaller m
129 Cubsrule : For those folks who will be "turned off," what is the alternative? It's not like they can connect in ATL and go to SFB.
130 CitrusCritter : SFB has jet-bridge boarding and G4 uses jet-bridges where they are available. This isn't Skybus. Also, G4 has far better coach seating than FL. More
131 CIDFlyer : Wouldn't surprise me at some point to see CID move to MCO, we compete with FL at MLI about 90 minutes away.
132 YNGguins : My family was very skeptical to fly Allegiant Air back this past August, but after our vacation down in Orlando, they absolutely loved it. The planes
133 Post contains links and images Plainplane : The SFB website now has this: The email address it goes to is "keepitsimpleallegiant@osaa.net".
134 KcrwFlyer : Hilarious! I'd be shocked if G4 cared what SFB had to say at this point. They seem pretty bent on battling it out with FL.
135 FWAERJ : IMO, G4 won't care one drop what SFB has to say. The war has just begun. My bet is that all G4 SFB routes will be heading down the highway to MCO as
136 KcrwFlyer : Well, LEX starts in Feb. I dont think they'd use a 73G on any less than daily MCO service.
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Does Jet Airways Plan To Serve LAX? posted Sat Aug 29 2009 15:47:50 by DTWLAX
Allegiant To MIA? (Other Than The Cuba Charters) posted Sun Aug 23 2009 11:37:28 by OB1504
Rumor: Delta To Cancel Remaining 777 Orders? posted Fri Aug 21 2009 19:06:31 by Mech24
Taca To Start MCO-SAL posted Fri Aug 21 2009 00:54:40 by OP3000
QX Asking Around About Cities To Serve posted Tue Jun 16 2009 18:28:26 by Wedgetail737
Westjet To Serve Mexico From...almost Everywhere! posted Thu Jun 4 2009 12:06:22 by MAH4546
Allegiant To Start Hawaii Flights? posted Fri Apr 24 2009 17:19:37 by HALFA