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Air France Decreases Canada For Summer 2010  
User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Just loaded on all GDS and AF website

YULCDG goes from 4 flights (1 77W, 1 772, 2 343) to 3 flights (1 77W, 1 744, 1 772).

YYZCDG goes from 744 to A343.

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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Wasn't Montreal supposed to get the A380?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8456 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 5919 times:
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Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 1):
Wasn't Montreal supposed to get the A380?

Too many Business Class seats on an A380 for Montreal.


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 5857 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Too many Business Class seats on an A380 for Montreal.

This is not the case. The question is whether AF would rather consolidate frequency, or keep frequency to connect to the breadth of their network via their multi departures bank in CDG.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2640 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting Flyyul (Thread starter):
Just loaded on all GDS and AF website

YULCDG goes from 4 flights (1 77W, 1 772, 2 343) to 3 flights (1 77W, 1 744, 1 772).

Was expecting this. Better AF reducing a frequency than KL leaving YUL !

They are currently operating 2 times a day when they were supposed to go 3 times daily. Last I checked a few weeks ago, they will go triple daily in February though.

On a side note, AF and DL will close their Montreal call centers next summer. About 280 people will lose their jobs. Calls will now go through Atlanta, where they will hire french speaking staff.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-12-01 14:11:31 by thenoflyzone]

[Edited 2009-12-01 14:11:53 by thenoflyzone]


us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 5356 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 3):
The question is whether AF would rather consolidate frequency, or keep frequency to connect to the breadth of their network via their multi departures bank in CDG.

That would depends on AF yields ex-YUL. If yields are high, AF will want to keep the frequency to preserve the yields., If yields are low, they will consolidate the frequency to reduce cost (and risk some revenue).

Sounds like the yields are fine enough to maintain 3x daily (albeit down from 4), or the dearth of 380's in the fleet does not allow a more efficient 2x daily 380.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Also, there is the fact that AC is opening up a daily YYZ-YUL-BRU next Summer, in cooperation with SN, who is joining Star Alliance at an event in Brussels a week from now.

This will defnitely put pressure on AF and KL's capture of the Canada market ex-BRU.



I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4798 times:



Quoting Brightcedars (Reply 6):
Also, there is the fact that AC is opening up a daily YYZ-YUL-BRU next Summer, in cooperation with SN, who is joining Star Alliance at an event in Brussels a week from now.

This will defnitely put pressure on AF and KL's capture of the Canada market ex-BRU.

AC also added GVA and FCO this summer and like you said BRU,ATH and BCN next summer, not that it means much but thats just less traffic that AF or KLM has to funnel through their prospective hubs..


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1857 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

As a whole, the capacity offered to/from YUL is not drastically reduced, as there is a B744 instead of 2 A343

User currently offlineCYXUK From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

I was not happy to hear this news, as I am booked CDG-YYZ in June, originally on 744, and they e-mailed me yesterday to tell me about the scheduling and equipment change to A343.

I understand the A343 has better IFE, but the 744 is a classic!


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2640 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3201 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 8):
As a whole, the capacity offered to/from YUL is not drastically reduced, as there is a B744 instead of 2 A343

AF used to send in their 477 seat 744's to YUL. They are now all in a 436 seating configuration; the 477 seating configuration is gone.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Hi

How well did the charters do this summer between France and YUL?

There is a lot of leisure traffic to Canada from France and I just wonder is AF maybe now not try to capture that market so much and leaving it to people like Air Transat?

Alex


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

how good? so good that AirTransit can run scheduled charters to Europe from a city as small as Quebec City

compare that to like 1 single daily DUS-NYC nonstop for a combined population of 32 million from the 2 metropolitans

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 11):


How well did the charters do this summer between France and YUL?



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