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Airline Crew Hotels. Can We Make A List?  
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21110 times:

As an aviation lover I tend to stay in hotels where crew stay as well, I had super nights in hotel bars talking about aviation with pilots and crew of different airlines all over the world. They showed me their city, in return I showed them AMS .

But on this site this seems to be a taboo.

What's so secret about that?

I know all crew hotels in AMS of all airlines, it's public info. If Obama or the Queen of England go somewhere the hotels are known and detailed all over in the media. And I don't think Airline crews are in more danger then the normal guy on the street. Overreacting is also a favorite hobby nowadays....bah

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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21119 times:



Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
What's so secret about that?

It's just a bit weird.

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
I had super nights in hotel bars talking about aviation with pilots and crew of different airlines all over the world

Did they have a super night though? Hotel bar = time off.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21119 times:

You have zero chance of anyone giving you a list of these on a public forum. There is an important distinction between "public info" and information that is not specifically announced to the public. Yes, it's very possible that you know plenty of hotels that airline crews stay at - anyone who travels regularly would undoubtedly know too.

But who would publishing a list like this benefit? You? So you can go check out more crew? I don't quite get that. Like it or not, it's a profession that can attract its fair share of crazy people in the form of stalkers, etc. and therefore it's in the crews' interest to not broadcast their location to everyone.

To me that's just common sense.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21119 times:

Crew dont want passengers knowing where they will be staying as the odd weirdo thinks its ok to follow some of the girls back to there hotel!

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21084 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
Did they have a super night though? Hotel bar = time off.

Yeah, for example in MIA i was in an airport hotel with AA and UA staff together. Fun for a week, must have been intl staff. AMS I stayed in a hotel where all Asian carriers parked their crew. Again made for a really good atmosphere in the bar at night.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20799 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
Did they have a super night though? Hotel bar = time off.

Exactly! You might have had fun but the last thing the crew wants is to have someone asking hundreds of questions about the job when they are trying to have a drink and relax.

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
I don't think Airline crews are in more danger then the normal guy on the street. Overreacting is also a favorite hobby nowadays....bah

This is where you are wrong. The most dangerous place for a crew is the hotel. Many airlines have security procedures that are to be taken while at the hotel to make sure that the crew is safe.

Like I said on the other thread about this, my wife was a FA for a while (me too back in the day!) and I would not be happy at all to find her hotel information being given out in such a public place. There is no creditable reason at all for this information to be shared. Even your reasoning of just wanting to be able to find airline crew so that you can talk to them about their job would be a very good reason to avoid giving this information. Seeking out airline crew is just a little weird no matter what the reason.....



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

The other thread had been deleted and so should this one.
Creepy to say the least.

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
If Obama or the Queen of England go somewhere the hotels are known and detailed all over in the media.

Your serious? really? Give me the security they have and then we can talk
about posting layover hotels. Do you know how many ex-spouses, stalkers,
etc are out there?
Imagine the liability if this site had a list and something happened to a crew member
because they obtained information here......


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2828 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20738 times:



Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
If Obama or the Queen of England go somewhere the hotels are known and detailed all over in the media.

Unlike Obama or the Queen we don't have a security contingent watching over us on layovers.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
I had super nights in hotel bars talking about aviation with pilots and crew of different airlines all over the world

Did they have a super night though? Hotel bar = time off.

 checkmark  Believe it or not, when I am done for the day I don't want to talk about airplanes or flying, especially to a stranger.

Quoting Star_world (Reply 2):
You have zero chance of anyone giving you a list of these on a public forum. There is an important distinction between "public info" and information that is not specifically announced to the public. Yes, it's very possible that you know plenty of hotels that airline crews stay at - anyone who travels regularly would undoubtedly know too.

 checkmark  Brilliantly put, Star_world.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 3):
Crew dont want passengers knowing where they will be staying as the odd weirdo thinks its ok to follow some of the girls back to there hotel!

 checkmark  This is a very real problem.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 5):
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
Did they have a super night though? Hotel bar = time off.

Exactly! You might have had fun but the last thing the crew wants is to have someone asking hundreds of questions about the job when they are trying to have a drink and relax.

 checkmark  Exactly, UAL. I'm not antisocial, I just don't want to talk about flying when I'm on my time. I want to eat my dinner, relax, work out if there's time, and go to bed.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 5):
Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
I don't think Airline crews are in more danger then the normal guy on the street. Overreacting is also a favorite hobby nowadays....bah

This is where you are wrong. The most dangerous place for a crew is the hotel. Many airlines have security procedures that are to be taken while at the hotel to make sure that the crew is safe.

My company takes hotel security very seriously, especially on certain International trips. This may look benign to someone outside the industry, but not to those of us who actually have to stay at hotels our airlines choose for us.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20637 times:

I can't even believe the OP has started this thread, but since he has...

...are you kidding me?!

Let's think of the myriad number of security reasons that it isn't a good idea to make a list of where airline crews layover:

1) In international destinations large numbers of western (read American, British, etc) crews laying over at one hotel present an attractive terror target. I can think of a few cities in Europe where American crews from one major airline layover, and where at any time there may be 60-70 crew members there.

2) Creepy stalkers like you may not present a terror threat, but may have a sick obession with airline crews.

3) Remember the stories a few years back of airline uniforms, ID's, manuals being stolen from hotel rooms? It was concerning enough that the FBI put out an alert for it. Think of the potentially serious security concerns posed by fraudulent use of these items.

After 9/11 and the use of airlines and airliners in the way they were used I can't believe you're naive enough, or dense enough, to not see the reasoning behind why your question is problematic.

Tell you what, post for us your home address, the times you'll be there, and your comings and goings. See how comfortable you are with everyone knowing what your schedule is, or where you rest your head at night. And before you complain about getting flamed, recognize that you brought it on yourself.

Unreal.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20453 times:

I'm going to play devil's advocate for just a moment here and ask one question - if this is such a security risk, how come crew aren't require to change out of their uniforms before leaving the airport, so they can't be identified as easily?

Perhaps they do in some places, but it's a common sight in many hotels to see a small army of FAs all come in at once, in full uniform. If security is a consideration, how come they aren't required to be a little more discreet? I worked for a large financial institution for 11 years, and we were told to never have the company's logo anywhere on our bags or clothes when traveling, and to avoid being in large groups in hotel lobbies, train stations, etc.

That said, I don't see any value to a list of crew hotels...if you want to meet flight attendants or pilots, do it on the plane.  Smile


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20447 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 8):
And before you complain about getting flamed, recognize that you brought it on yourself.

 checkmark 

If any person WERE to actually post a scheduled crew hotel on this site (if it weren't immediately deleted by a moderator), the post would receive dozens of objections from the working crewmembers on here. Even on board when a passenger, however innocuous, asks me "So where do you guys stay in (enter city here)?" I always just respond "Um, you know, I don't know where they put us up anymore, I'd have to look". If they press the subject, it sends up a slew of red flags.

Don't ask, don't tell.


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20406 times:

It's a reasonable question for the casual, uninitiated observer. No need to mercilessly flame the OP. Obviously he didn't understand the privacy/security implications of his request. Case closed... give the hyperbole a rest.

Although there won't be a list, let me say that on the whole, the layover hotels for US airline crews are not as glamorous as one might expect!


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20406 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
Believe it or not, when I am done for the day I don't want to talk about airplanes or flying, especially to a stranger.

I admit that I had to find this out the hard way. Recently my wife and I were staying at an airport hotel where a flight crew was staying. I saw the crew in the lobby (they were wearing their uniforms) and I wished one of the pilots a happy flight. My quick salutation lasted, literally, about a second and a half ("Have a good flight" doesn't take very long to say; start a stop-watch and see). You should have seen the look on the pilot's face. You would have thought I had just cornered him in the hotel bar and spent two hours regaling him with aviation trivia. From now on I will give flight crews a lot of space.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20372 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
Hotel bar = time off.

Abso-freaking-lutely. I love my job, I really do, but when I'm finished for the day the last thing I want to do is talk to some random stranger who will never understand what, exactily I do -- my relatives have absolutely no respect for this (Oh, while you're here for vacation can you talk to cousin thrice removed Jimmy about his TV thingy...) but I try to show that respect to other professionals; if they volunteer info about work that's fine but no matter how interested I may be I don't go digging... especially anywhere on hotel property.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 9):
Perhaps they do in some places, but it's a common sight in many hotels to see a small army of FAs all come in at once, in full uniform

This is true. My "favorite" hotel in San Francisco has this going on -- the first time I stayed there there was a group of 20-30 crewmembers standing in the lobby oozing "crewy-ness" but being relatively discreet [aside from the fact that they were all wearing the same coats and talking with virutally identical accents, the "CREW" tags on their luggage were the only giveaway; couldn't figure out which airline, though] -- then last time I was there, there was a CO Captain (based on the logo embossed on his cap) and FO standing in the lobby in full uniform looking like they were waiting for a bus -- I had to fight the urge to do my "the people of CO are the reason I won't fly anyone else... thanks for making flying plesant!" speech... they weren't on duty, and probably couldn't care less.



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20345 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 9):
I'm going to play devil's advocate for just a moment here and ask one question - if this is such a security risk, how come crew aren't require to change out of their uniforms before leaving the airport, so they can't be identified as easily?

Perhaps they do in some places, but it's a common sight in many hotels to see a small army of FAs all come in at once, in full uniform. If security is a consideration, how come they aren't required to be a little more discreet? I worked for a large financial institution for 11 years, and we were told to never have the company's logo anywhere on our bags or clothes when traveling, and to avoid being in large groups in hotel lobbies, train stations, etc.

There is a difference between coming across a flight crew by coincidence as they walk into your hotel, and publishing a list for the world to see where they are staying. One airline I know of does have their crews change out of uniform.

Quoting 777gk (Reply 11):
It's a reasonable question for the casual, uninitiated observer. No need to mercilessly flame the OP. Obviously he didn't understand the privacy/security implications of his request. Case closed... give the hyperbole a rest.

And had it been that innoccuous, I would agree. Except it would appear he knew exactly what he was asking:

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
If Obama or the Queen of England go somewhere the hotels are known and detailed all over in the media. And I don't think Airline crews are in more danger then the normal guy on the street. Overreacting is also a favorite hobby nowadays....bah



User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20345 times:

KL911, original poster....

This is a ridiculous posting.

Your information indicates you have worked for 3 different airlines, and have posted on Airliners net over 3,3xx postings on here.

It is "scary" that you don't seem to "get it"!

This has to do with the security of the crew. It is sensitive information that is for company employees only, or those only with a need to know.

That's all you need to know, and you show just "drop it"!

As a matter of fact, you should immediately request to have your posting deleted.

Security...Security...Security


 redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag 


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20210 times:

I have run a few hotels around the world that have hosted crews.

I also concur with the security issue. In hotels, we share the same problem. Guests regularly make very concerted efforts to obtain personal details of staff, for the purpose of finding them later.

There is also some commercial sensitivity to these hotel/airline relationships as well. Airlines make some pretty aggressive attempts to find out what other airlines are paying. In the end, it is a cost of running the route and therefore affects competitivity.

On a funny note, I was staying at a hotel whilst following a sporting team in Australia. I met a couple of flight attendants, (one male, one female), at the hotel bar where we were all staying. Went back to their room for another drink, (I swear my intentions were completely innocent). Well, when I got back to the room, I witnessed what I could only accurately describe as an orgy in progress. It was like a scene from "Eyes Wide Shut". And it seemed like it was all crew. This surprised me as crews change around all the time.

Needless to say, I left immediately, (I am married after all!).

Don't want to name airline or city. Could be incirminating


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 20133 times:



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 16):
Needless to say, I left immediately, (I am married after all!).

LOL!!!!! I would say the same thing, you never know where you wife might be looking to check up on you!!!!!!!!!!!


Now could you IM with the real details!!!!!!!



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 20119 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 9):
Perhaps they do in some places, but it's a common sight in many hotels to see a small army of FAs all come in at once, in full uniform. If security is a consideration, how come they aren't required to be a little more discreet? I worked for a large financial institution for 11 years, and we were told to never have the company's logo anywhere on our bags or clothes when traveling, and to avoid being in large groups in hotel lobbies, train stations, etc.

You said it right there when you said "small army". There's a group of people there that you know and are on a first name basis with and are looking out for each other.

What a dumb idea. I hope this thread is deleted.

Play devils advocate all you want. Every policy we have exists for a reason. I don't want you knowing what hotels I stay in and quite frankly when people asking me what I do on the road, I make something up. I don't want the guy I'm sitting next to at the bar during a long overnight having a beer with to end up being a CNN reporter trying to do some sensationalized piece on "drunken" pilots.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19952 times:
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Every once in a while, the "airline crew hotels" topic pops up on the forums. This is normal and expected - people are curious, and this is legitimate. There's nothing wrong with the original poster wanting to know where crew are staying.

However, there might be some implications to the site if we let the information to be published without the involved personnel's consent. The fact that they may not want it published is reason enough for us not to publish it.

Also, we need to respect the fact that some companies have a policy according to which they prefer not having this information made public in aggregated form. Casually finding out is one thing - making lists is something different.

To avoid any rumors: Airliners.net did not receive any specific requests by companies to shut down this kind of threads. We just apply common sense in this case.

For these reasons, the thread will be locked.

Any additional posts that are made to this thread after this post will be removed for housekeeping purposes, as this may happen due to a short system lag.



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