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How Much Longer For The DC-8?  
User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

I know the 707 has pretty much been withdrawn from service except for Saha Air and military use, but the DC-8 is still being used all over the US with UPS and ATI. But how long will we see these aircraft still flying? Will we see into the 2010s? 2020s?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8143 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter):
but the DC-8 is still being used all over the US with UPS and ATI.

No more DC8's flying at UPS, they have all been retired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBDF8iByOAA

Used to get a DC8 at MSY, now it's a 752.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8094 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 1):
No more DC8's flying at UPS, they have all been retired.

Thanks, I wasn't aware they were all retired already. I was looking on mapquest yesterday at ORD and saw one parked on the cargo ramp, so I assumed.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Sadly, the UPS DC-8's were scheduled to fly for several more years. The sudden economic crisis and downturn in business the past year, forced an "unscheduled" earlier retirement than originally planned. During this period, airlines like Delta, Northwest, Continental, etc. have removed several aircraft from service spread over several different types. UPS and United (737)decided to just eliminate an entire type.

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

I'm sure the ex UPS DC-8's will find good homes in Africa or the Middle East as have been very well maintained.


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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7617 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 1):
Used to get a DC8 at msy, now it's a 752.

It has been an A300 for the past few days...hope the trend continues...


Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
02-Dec-2009 A306/Q Louisville Intl (KSDF) New Orleans Intl (KMSY) 05:21AM EST 05:55AM CST En Route
01-Dec-2009 A306/Q Louisville Intl (KSDF) New Orleans Intl (KMSY) 05:48AM EST 06:13AM CST 1:25
28-Nov-2009 A306/Q Louisville Intl (KSDF) New Orleans Intl (KMSY) 05:21AM EST 05:41AM CST 1:20



Next trip: MSY-SEA-GEG-SEA-LWS-BOI-PDX-SEA-LAS on AS
User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

I'm going to the USA in January and would love to see some DC-8s. ATI should have a few based at BWI, am I right? And is there any chance of seeing some 727s at BWI also? I don't want to miss out on a last chance to capture these workhorses!

Cheers,

Toni



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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7424 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 6):
I'm going to the USA in January and would love to see some DC-8s. ATI should have a few based at BWI, am I right? And is there any chance of seeing some 727s at BWI also? I don't want to miss out on a last chance to capture these workhorses!

You should have no problem seeing a couple DC-8s at BWI, but as far as 727s go, I have not seen one there in a while.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7279 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):

It has been an A300 for the past few days...hope the trend continues...

Nice, haven't been out there in a week or so. Guess freight is picking up.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Hi Metroliner

You do not need to go that far.

You can see one parked at Filton, (Bristol).

If you want a flying one, then RAF Lyneham on Sunday are a good chance.


User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6934 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 6):
I'm going to the USA in January and would love to see some DC-8s. ATI should have a few based at BWI, am I right? And is there any chance of seeing some 727s at BWI also?

Head to BWI between say 3pm and 5pm and very good chance you will see a DC-8 smoking it's way in. During that time you will see the daily BA flight from London. Also a chance of seeing one of the World DC-10s/MD-11s. As for the 727 the last ones I saw were the CAT birds that used to come in. Its been a few years since I've seen a 727 at BWI.



RUSH
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

727s abound in MIA...Amerijet even has them wingletted. A few DC8s too..


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User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6116 times:



Quoting JHCRJ700 (Reply 10):
Head to BWI between say 3pm and 5pm and very good chance you will see a DC-8 smoking it's way in. During that time you will see the daily BA flight from London. Also a chance of seeing one of the World DC-10s/MD-11s. As for the 727 the last ones I saw were the CAT birds that used to come in. Its been a few years since I've seen a 727 at BWI.

I usually see the ATI bird around BWI around lunchtime, it arrives before I get in to work. Quite the beautiful sound to hear it spooling up after pushback. Our BA 767 arrives around 5:30pm, if you're around the airport be sure to have a look around and see some of our resident DC10s/MD11s from World and Omni.

The last regular 727 I remember was DHL but that's a 767-200 now.



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User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5878 times:



Quoting JetBlast (Reply 12):
usually see the ATI bird around BWI around lunchtime, it arrives before I get in to work. Quite the beautiful sound to hear it spooling up after pushback. Our BA 767 arrives around 5:30pm, if you're around the airport be sure to have a look around and see some of our resident DC10s/MD11s from World and Omni.

The last regular 727 I remember was DHL but that's a 767-200 now.

Ah your right. I forget about those DHL birds. Hmm the times must have changed since I've left the states. Do you happen to know how much longer BA will continue that flight? I was looking for flights this spring and they were not showing any flights out of Baltimore. I love driving around the loop. Going around back there is always a surprise. You never know what your going to see hanging around the cargo area. I miss the Saudi 747sps. now THAT was a treat. But, I'd say the highlights that i've seen at BWI were a NW 742 and a Focus Air 742. We also used to get the ATA L1011s.  cloudnine 



RUSH
User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

I watched one land today.....right after we landed in a 727 Smile It was a 70-series but we get -60's too. Detroit-Willow Run is a bit of a time capsule for airplanes, there are 3 DC-8's based there along with a bunch of 9's and 727's.


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User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

You wanna see a DC-8, come to Congo. Transair Cargo has a fleet of 3, and Hewa Bora Cargo also flies at least one. Surprised UPS hasn't sold any of the DC-8s they retired to foreign operators yet; some of FedEx's old B727s are flying here with Services Air Cargo.

User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5444 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 14):
Detroit-Willow Run is a bit of a time capsule for airplanes, there are 3 DC-8's based there along with a bunch of 9's and 727's.

What for? Storage? Scrapping?



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5372 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 16):
What for? Storage? Scrapping?

Nope hauling freight! No more stored 8's, they chopped up the last couple -50 series a couple years ago. We have an A300 and some L-188's awaiting the saw right now.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5176 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 17):
Nope hauling freight! No more stored 8's, they chopped up the last couple -50 series a couple years ago. We have an A300 and some L-188's awaiting the saw right now.

Who's A300???

FX1816


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5961 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5121 times:
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Quoting Tb727 (Reply 17):
A300 and some L-188's awaiting the saw right now.

I haven't been by there in a while. I had not seen the A300. Is it over by the ex Zantop L188s? I live fairly close to YIP so I like to drive around there now and then and see what is going on.

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 17):
Nope hauling freight

Are they the Maurray DC-8s or are there more DC-8s out there.



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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5076 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 14):
Detroit-Willow Run

Is YIP something you can see well as you are climbing out or on approach into DTW?



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5004 times:



Quoting JHCRJ700 (Reply 13):
Ah your right. I forget about those DHL birds. Hmm the times must have changed since I've left the states. Do you happen to know how much longer BA will continue that flight? I was looking for flights this spring and they were not showing any flights out of Baltimore. I love driving around the loop. Going around back there is always a surprise. You never know what your going to see hanging around the cargo area. I miss the Saudi 747sps. now THAT was a treat. But, I'd say the highlights that i've seen at BWI were a NW 742 and a Focus Air 742. We also used to get the ATA L1011s.   

I'm not sure what dates you were looking at - I haven't heard any rumours of the BA flight leaving BWI. If it does, I won't have a job anymore.

I remember we got the occasional Saudi widebody (a 772 came in some time ago also, got a picture of it on final approach) as well as some other Middle Eastern stuff, seems like that has died down over the last few years. Once in a blue moon World flies their 744F in as well.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5961 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4978 times:
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Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 20):
Is YIP something you can see well as you are climbing out or on approach into DTW?

Sometimes. I have flown right over it before. Last year I was on a NW DC-9 STL-DTW on a cloudless day and we flew right over YIP, DTW and ONZ. You could also see DET and YQG.

YIP is just a short drive from DTW.



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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4632 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Are they the Maurray DC-8s or are there more DC-8s out there.

Yeah all Murray right now. They are National Airlines now but still fly under "Murray". One of the -60's came in this afternoon from S. America, the -70 series came in from Shannon.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 18):

Who's A300???

Express Net, it's an old lead sled -B4. It's over there on the West ramp where they have been chopping stuff up. They did chop an Electra up last year on the South Ramp though as well as a 727 a couple years ago.

YIP is about 7 miles west of DTW, not too far at all.



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User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4134 times:



Quoting JetBlast (Reply 21):
Once in a blue moon World flies their 744F in as well.

If you happen to know when they will be sending it in i would LOVE to see it at BWI. So if you could let me know that would be amazing.



RUSH
25 Post contains links Ouboy79 : YIP and a couple others were mentioned as places to catch a DC-8. Naturally TOL with the DB Schenker (BAX) hub there is the easiest place to catch ATI
26 4holer : AFAIK, the clock is ticking faster and faster. With the UPS retirements only a few operators of 70s series remain. In fact, if you check airborne airc
27 AvConsultant : The DC-8 is a great freight dog!!
28 Yankeejuliet : DC-8 represents one of the sturdiest airframes ever built and should serve well beyond 2020 especially among third level carriers in african and south
29 TAN FLYR : Amen Brother! A well maintained 8 already past 40 years, can do another 10 or more. Heck..Look at the KC-135's.. or the B-52's..the newest built in t
30 413x3 : Astar flies them for DHL still, only a handful left though.
31 Bennett123 : tb727 Do you know if the A300 is N224KW or N370PC
32 Viscount724 : But those aircraft have far fewer flying hours and cycles than airliners of the same age. I belive the average KC-135 after about 50 years of service
33 Rktsci : I read that part of the reason for the durability is a thicker gauge skin. Same goes for DC-9/MD-80s.
34 Tb727 : I want to say it's KW but I can't be sure. It has been here about 2 years I would say. I'll try and take a peek next time I am up there, which could
35 C5LOAD : They're like big ol' cadillacs. That's why I wish Douglas was still around.
36 Pqdtw : Question: I've always wondered, how is it that cargo airlines don't lose money using these old birds? I was under the impression that DC-8 s sucked a
37 Metroliner : Thanks to you all for the information - I am dding TOL and YIP to the list of places to try and visit during 'spotting week' in January. Though I'm gu
38 Tb727 : Not necessarily. As far as charter work, you just can't beat a DC-8 or 727 over something that is newer and more fuel efficient. We don't fly a trip
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