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JetBlue Expands BOS Again  
User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ton-to-the-caribbean-78314507.html

Seems B6 is boosting its BOS-Caribbean capacity 25% this summer, year over year. Though Saturday-only NAS and SXM service will only stick around for the winter, it seems there is still a growth in seats:

+3/wk. to AUA (for a total of 5/wk.)
+2/wk. to CUN (for a total of 3/wk.)
+1/wk. to SJU (for a total of 11/wk.)
+1/wk. to MBJ (for a total of 2/wk. - and this route hasn't even launched yet!)

BDA and SDQ (which had previously been announced as going up from 3/wk. to 7/wk.) will both be at 7/wk. This brings B6's BOS-Caribbean departures to 35/wk.

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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

That's good news for us. I was hoping for more destinations though. I'm sure that's coming soon. But it's nice to see that even in the summer their BOS-Caribbean flights do well.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8319 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
That's good news for us. I was hoping for more destinations though. I'm sure that's coming soon. But it's nice to see that even in the summer their BOS-Caribbean flights do well.

SJU and even AUA I can understand but I can't imagine that much demand for CUN in the Summer. We'll have to ait and see how it goes.


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

while we're at it, is jetBlue the largest carrier in BOS yet? how many seats/flights/destinations B6 offers compared to AA and DL ?

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4445 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 3):
while we're at it, is jetBlue the largest carrier in BOS yet? how many seats/flights/destinations B6 offers compared to AA and DL ?

Yes, they are the largest carrier at BOS by passengers carried last I heart, but not by daily departures. US currently has the most flights. For today:

US - 58 departures (mainline only)
B6 - 53 departures
DL - 36 departures (mainline only, not including NW)
AA - 33 departures (mainline only)

Jeremy


User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4245 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
I was hoping for more destinations though. I'm sure that's coming soon.

BOS gets a good number of the Caribbean destinations served from JFK - all of them except for BQN, PCE, STI, POP, BGI, KIN and UVF. BQN/PCE could never work from BOS, STI was tried as a holiday shuttle and failed, and POP is a thin route as well.

BGI could possibly work 1-2x/wk., and I don't think we'll see a stab at BOS-UVF until the JFK route picks up some more frequencies.

KIN is somewhat amusing to me. It doesn't seem to be off to the hottest start from JFK - fares are generally lower than MBJ, as well as loads. Further, I doubt that BOS-KIN has much demand that wouldn't be willing to connect via JFK - let alone much demand at all.

In the future, I could potentially see BGI and UVF coming online with one or two frequencies at best. But that's about it (as far as the current route map goes, that is).

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
I can't imagine that much demand for CUN in the Summer.

I agree. CUN used to be Saturday-only over the summer. With the whole H1N1 episode, B6 really cut its CUN presence; TPA was dropped, JFK frequencies were trimmed, and CUN went from 5x/weekly to about 2-3x/weekly. But maybe JetBlue knows something we don't.

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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Most of the time and key word is most, what ever been doing well for JFK will be going out of BOS. BDA, MBJ, CUN, AUA ect ect all do very well. MBJ for sure has been a god send for us. I load that flight at least twice a week and it never disappoints. KIN right now for us is insane with full flights going out and the 215-235 bag counts we are having caught us alittle off guard but just like MBJ its making money. So in my 7 years it just seems like what ever works for us at JFK, BOS is likely to get. Just a pattern I see, I am well aware there are many factors with that. BGI and UVF all doing well so perhaps BOS will get them next year sometime. KIN not too sure of. KIN is a local city and I'm no expert but I really don't see too many locals going to BOS and vice versa. Some of my buddies that have family in KIN agree with this but who knows.


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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3922 times:



Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 5):
KIN is somewhat amusing to me. It doesn't seem to be off to the hottest start from JFK - fares are generally lower than MBJ, as well as loads. Further, I doubt that BOS-KIN has much demand that wouldn't be willing to connect via JFK - let alone much demand at all.

I have no doubt B6 will do well in KIN from JFK as it is a very large VFR market that can support two carriers. Both AA & JM co-existed on it for many years until AA decided to operate it seasonally then they eventually discontinued it all together. Historically JM has been the dominant carrier on JFK-KIN even when others are present on that sector. Doubt you will ever see B6 operating BOS-KIN. As you said there is just not enough demand that would warrant a non-stop. BOS-MBJ is more practical with the tourist traffic.

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 6):
KIN not too sure of. KIN is a local city and I'm no expert but I really don't see too many locals going to BOS and vice versa. Some of my buddies that have family in KIN agree with this but who knows.

BOS have their fair share of Jamaicans that travel between that city and KIN, but not enough to successfully operate non stop services. As such I see B6 routing those passengers through JFK and FLL when they eventually start FLL-KIN.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

JetBlue really is the king of making a big deal out of absolutely nothing in press releases.

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 5):

KIN is somewhat amusing to me. It doesn't seem to be off to the hottest start from JFK - fares are generally lower than MBJ, as well as loads. Further, I doubt that BOS-KIN has much demand that wouldn't be willing to connect via JFK - let alone much demand at all.

Considering 85%+ of KIN-USA demand goes to MIA/FLL/NYC, it's not going to work.

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 5):
BGI could possibly work 1-2x/wk.,

BGI still isn't enough of a vacation destination for Americans, IMO. It remains a largely VFR market.



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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3868 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 4):

Yes, they are the largest carrier at BOS by passengers carried last I heart, but not by daily departures. US currently has the most flights. For today:

US - 58 departures (mainline only)
B6 - 53 departures
DL - 36 departures (mainline only, not including NW)
AA - 33 departures (mainline only)

Jeremy

For the purpose of this sort of discussion, I think it makes sense to include the Express, Connection and Eagle. Not always easy to do; I see Colgan, Chautaqua, Shuttle America and Republic all operate for multiple carriers at Logan. According to the wikipedia, at least.


User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3850 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 7):
I have no doubt B6 will do well in KIN from JFK as it is a very large VFR market that can support two carriers

I have no doubt either. KIN was launched in the dead of autumn - I'm sure those flights will perform well as the market matures and we head into the peak winter season.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Considering 85%+ of KIN-USA demand goes to MIA/FLL/NYC, it's not going to work.

I wonder when B6 will go ahead with FLL-MBJ/KIN. FLL-SDQ hasn't been as successful as originally planned; I hope that Jamaica proves different.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
BGI still isn't enough of a vacation destination for Americans, IMO. It remains a largely VFR market.

Good point. From what I've heard, the JFK-BGI flights are packed with VFR customers (as well as tourists). Anyone know what the Barbadian community is like in the Boston area?

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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

BOS probably can't support service to any of B6's current destinations in the Caribbean that it doesn't have service to already, however there are certainly some domestic destinations they can go from BOS. SRQ, HOU, and seasonal PHX are my choices. SJU would work once tech traffic picks up again. BOS-BUR would be cool to see, but it might hurt their LAX flights and possibly their LGB flights as well.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 10):
FLL-SDQ hasn't been as successful as originally planned;


It went from a daily E90 to a daily A320 and in about two weeks it becomes two daily A320s. Not really sure how you could call that unsuccessful.

What exactly was JetBlue planning? To run a shuttle service?

[Edited 2009-12-02 18:53:22]


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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3793 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
It went from a daily E90 to a daily A320 and in about two weeks it becomes two daily A320s. Not really sure how you could call that unsuccessful.

It actually launched as an A320. In a couple of weeks the route upgrades to 10x/wk. - not two daily. Over the last couple of months - which were admittedly slow travel periods - the flight has been going out with LF's below 50%. Walk-up fares are at a whopping $99 o/w, and advanced tickets could be found for as low as $39. These aren't money-making fares.

As we head into the holiday season, I'm sure demand will pick up. But loads and yields fell off a cliff after the summertime - something which wasn't as apparent on B6's highly profitable JFK-SDQ/STI flights (or even on MCO-SDQ/BQN/PCE).

I guess we'll see what happens. It's still a new route - and one that B6 shouldn't have a problem gaining popularity on.

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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8319 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3137 times:



Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 13):
I guess we'll see what happens. It's still a new route - and one that B6 shouldn't have a problem gaining popularity on.

BOS-SDQ is a small but year round market, unlike many other Caribbean destinations so I see it sticking around. The greater Boston area has a sizable Dominican population for which this year round flight caters to. Granted, it's still tiny when compared to NY or S.Florida but I think it's enough to support a daily flight over the long run.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3094 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
BOS probably can't support service to any of B6's current destinations in the Caribbean that it doesn't have service to already, however there are certainly some domestic destinations they can go from BOS. SRQ, HOU, and seasonal PHX are my choices. SJU would work once tech traffic picks up again. BOS-BUR would be cool to see, but it might hurt their LAX flights and possibly their LGB flights as well.

It's good to see B6 expanding in BOS. This news is definitely something that deserves a press release, as does any new, or increased service. I see HOU as the biggest hole in their domestic network. PHX would work as a seasonal route. BUR won't happen.


User currently offlineCOERJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 2802 times:

I know this is a bit far fetched... but is there any chance that jetBlue would ever start service from BOS to SRQ - Sarasota? Currently B6 flys from BOS to every florida destination that they serve through JFK except for SRQ. In addition, I don't think DL or FL are bringing back seasonal service to SRQ either. Any thoughts?

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 2276 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
I can't imagine that much demand for CUN in the Summer

Americans love to party during the summer, and CUN provides an excellent opportunity to do just that.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
BGI still isn't enough of a vacation destination for Americans, IMO. It remains a largely VFR market.

Not too many Americans venture to the Eastern Caribbean. Most seem to stick to closer locales such as the Bahamas, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, and of course Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. I'd say those islands cater more to Canadians and Europeans.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
SJU would work once tech traffic picks up again.

SJU seems to be working just fine as it is, ostensibly with VFR and cruise/tourism traffic as the principal drivers...

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
BOS-BUR would be cool to see, but it might hurt their LAX flights and possibly their LGB flights as well.

Although BUR-JFK seems to be a winner, B6 has failed at all attempts to add new services to BUR (except for LAS, but its hard not to make a flight between Southern CA and Sin City work). If IAD didn't make it, BOS doesn't stand a chance.

BUR has virtually zero overlap with LGB - that is why the initial build up at BUR (intended to complement/supplement LGB, where B6 quickly reached its operational limit) did not work. For many in the valley, even catching a flight at LAX can be difficult if a rush hour trek through Westwood/Brentwood on the 405 is required - BUR sure does have a fiercely loyal following of local fliers! Besides, who would want to endure the horrors of LAX T6 when you can enjoy the ease of BUR and board the plane the old-fashioned way?  Big grin

Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
I see HOU as the biggest hole in their domestic network.

Agreed. I think even AA flew this rather recently (clearly the demand must be there) and I doubt WN will start the route anytime soon - they are far too busy building a megahub at DEN.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
PHX would work as a seasonal route.

Absolutely. However, B6 seems to prefer year-round ops, whereas airlines like FL do a lot of seasonal flying. Also, JetBlue has not done very well at PHX. I would have thought they could have easily pulled off BOS, IAD, and LGB flights for starters...

Quoting COERJ (Reply 16):
is there any chance that jetBlue would ever start service from BOS to SRQ - Sarasota?

Seems like a no-brainer, but I imagine this would have to be seasonal, and for whatever reason B6 just doesn't seem to like flying seasonally...



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2183 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17):
SJU seems to be working just fine as it is, ostensibly with VFR and cruise/tourism traffic as the principal drivers...

I'm sorry, I meant SJC. San Jose, not San Juan.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17):
B6 just doesn't seem to like flying seasonally...

There are a few seasonal routes, not many, but some. Maybe if they had a place to send the plane during the summer.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17):
If IAD didn't make it, BOS doesn't stand a chance.

IAD isn't a B6 hub like BOS is. With more frequent flyers, it stands a better chance.



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User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

maybe this should be jetBlue's continued strategy :

set BOS as their main midwest-to-florida/caribbean transit point (since there's capacity), while concentrating more on O&D for JFK (since it's so slot-jammed).

now, if only jetBlue can (a) restart a mountain west hub (after the instant pull-down at SLC), (b) build-up AUS, (c) upgauge equipment at LGB to get around slot/runway restrictions, (d) put some effort into IAD, then they'll be in a much better shape to compete.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting COERJ (Reply 16):
is there any chance that jetBlue would ever start service from BOS to SRQ - Sarasota? Currently B6 flys from BOS to every florida destination that they serve through JFK except for SRQ. In addition, I don't think DL or FL are bringing back seasonal service to SRQ either. Any thoughts?

FL will be flying BOS-SRQ (Saturday only) for the high season. I'm not sure the market is big enough to support daily service on B6 or FL....even in high season.


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Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2050 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):
FL will be flying BOS-SRQ (Saturday only) for the high season. I'm not sure the market is big enough to support daily service on B6 or FL....even in high season.

You are right, BOS-SRQ cannot support daily flights even during the high season. Perhaps 2, maybe 3 weekly, but that's it. The market itself is not that large and it is pretty close to TPA.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1987 times:



Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 13):
Walk-up fares are at a whopping $99 o/w, and advanced tickets could be found for as low as $39. These aren't money-making fares.

No, but they have to fare match Spirit.

I have no doubt B6 will be very successful on FLL-SDQ, much more so than MCO-SDQ, which is barely a sustainable market size, although B6 has somehow survived on it.

Look for FLL-STI next year.



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