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Shamrocks And Sleigh-bells: Irish Aviation 32/09  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14962 times:

Good evening folks and as we've passed the 200 mark for our last thread, I thought we should move onto what will probably be our last thread of 2009 - not a year that we will leave behind with any affection. All things considered, it's been pretty lousy - bad economic news, worse weather and now, we stand by while Aer Lingus fights its way through another crisis and MO'L looks more like the Cheshire Cat every day ... the look of a cat about to get the cream ...

I'd like to look back on some highlights of 2009, but there's really not an awful lot to look back on; we can certainly celebrate a good year (in Ireland) from a safety perspective and hopefully, over the next year or two, we will see a return to some growth, which will mean 2009 will be the nadir of the economic crunch. But what will Irish aviation be like in two years' time, or even just twelve months? I have a horrid suspicion that some of the things that we have been taking for granted may be shattered.

I really hope EI comes through this, but I have a horrid suspicion that MO'L already scents victory and is already making plans for the post-takeover EI; blasphemy on a thread that many refer to as the "Aer Lingus Fan Club", but let's put that out there. Things are looking very bleak and I often wonder if there is sense in waiting until all of the money is spent, instead of coming to an accommodation with FR, which will see some of the airline saved - and expanded.

The sad irony of this is that we may look back to the time when the original offer was made and it was promised that some part of EI might be saved. What happens if EI waits until the bitter end; will MO'L feel magnanimous then?

I feel quite pessimistic about EI now and I absolutely hate feeling that way and it would break my heart if EI were swalled whole, without trace, by FR. Maybe Competition rules would prevent FR swallowing EI completely, but they won't save EI, either.

Here's the last thread, in case we need to refer to it:

Flying Irish: 31/09 (by Kaitak Nov 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2009-12-02 13:27:44 by Diamond]

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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4118 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14926 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
really hope EI comes through this, but I have a horrid suspicion that MO'L already scents victory and is already making plans for the post-takeover EI;

I have no doubt of that Kaitak. But I believe a grand union of EI and FR could be a good thing for both parties if there is some honourable intention to grow the carrier, like AF and LH have done with all their new purchases around europe.

MOL doesnt give me enough belief that this is the case though.......

EI simply have to push this deal through, and I suspect they may very well manage to do so. This whole campaign has been remarkably free of talk of industrial action etc etc which leads me to believe that people in EI accept that something has to be done.

EI has been here before, and indeed has been in even worse states. I have confidence that it can pull through, but I equally believe, on seeing industry trends, that it needs an investor and partner who can allow it to exploit some of the niches it has open to it.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6280 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

The cost cutting plan has been presented in two stages, the first stage seems to really target frontline staff with job cuts and pay reductions while the second stage focuses on head office and business processes. The number of staff in HQ will be reduced by 40% before 2011 according to the October 7th announcement, that's 187 head office redundancies in addition to around 51 made in stage one of the plan.

It's disappointing that no agreement could be reached, Christoph Mueller claims they were very close with ground staff and were ready to sign but weren't getting the savings needed from pilots and to a lesser extent, cabin crew. Christoph Mueller is taking an all or nothing approach to these savings, certainly different to how Dermot Mannion did things.

As I said in another post, it's difficult to support management in their cost cutting with no forward strategy announced and I can completely understand the position of the staff but I'm sure management have some sort of plan otherwise they are doing this completely blind which would be very concerning. The investor day is in January, questions will have to be answered then and even if nothing is publicly announced, management need to have something planned but the again without getting their cost base down, they won't be able to implement any kind of strategy.

Strike action wouldn't go down well at all, I can't see much sympathy for staff if there's a strike in the run up to Christmas and it wouldn't help the financial situation of Aer Lingus at all.

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
The sad irony of this is that we may look back to the time when the original offer was made and it was promised that some part of EI might be saved. What happens if EI waits until the bitter end; will MO'L feel magnanimous then?

I don't think I'll ever look back and think that, not because of my dislike of Michael O'Leary or Ryanair but because I don't believe Michael O'Leary ever makes any promises when it comes to business and he may have said a lot of things about doubling the size of Aer Lingus and keeping the brand but when it comes down to it who knows what he really had planned for Aer Lingus back then.

Now there's two clear choices, staff agree to cuts and let management carve out a strategy for the airline to ensure a profitable and independent future or wait for the airline to run out of cash and for Ryanair to bail the airline out. We're still waiting for MO'L to make that order for long haul aircraft, he talks about it every few months but always says he's waiting for cheaper aircraft but I think he has his heart set on a fleet of A330s sitting at Dublin and the only people that can stop him getting that is the staff and management of Aer Lingus.


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

Has anyone else lost faith in Aer Lingus? CM has not been a breath of fresh air, although he may be more decisive than DM, he seems to have similar plans to DM: have no future strategy (that we know of), and cut front line staff, again. What about all the talk of out sourcing? That's an idea that has been floating around since WW. Needs to be done, but they just don't seem interested. That or else they have no spine. Not to mention the lack of interest in generating more revenue.
There is no sense in shrinking the airline in terms of routes and planes. They need to lower their cost base alright (and I think out sourcing is the best option there), which will go a long way to helping, but they really need to ride it out in terms of routes and aircraft.

Utterly fed up with the management at this stage. I feel for the regualr staff though.



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4118 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14860 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 3):
As I said in another post, it's difficult to support management in their cost cutting with no forward strategy announced and I can completely understand the position of the staff but I'm sure management have some sort of plan otherwise they are doing this completely blind which would be very concerning.

Unfortunately, while it would be nicer for staff to see a forward vision, this is cart before horse stuff.

The cost base needs to be attacked. Plain and Simple.

EI have already indicated that only if a deal cant be reached with staff will routes and aircraft be cut. In other words, EI has no plans to contract or shrink itself unless its cost base leaves it with no alternative.

Thats a very sound plan for the future when you consider how such cost cutting plans tend to go.

In other words, we do not want to shrink, in fact we intend to grow, but we need the cost base to do it.

Forward vision is all very nice, but when you are burning through what was a huge cash pile at an alarming rate, priority number 1 is clearly to halt the cash burn.

You wouldnt honestly expect a responsible management team to focus on anything less. That is CM's prime responsibility as a CEO.

While it's true that certain groups including CC have contributed much in that past, it is still true that EI is laden with ridiculous work practices which would be laughed at in the private sector. I know EI is now private sector, but its work ethic needs to reflect that a bit more closely.

Perhaps a bit of realisation as to how things are in some other Dublin based airlines might drive the message home?

Yes, Aer Lingus is a national icon, but first and foremost its a business, and ensuring it doesnt go bankrupt has to be its first priority.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6280 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14824 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 5):
Unfortunately, while it would be nicer for staff to see a forward vision, this is cart before horse stuff.

I was previously in two minds about the whole thing but the more I think about the situation Aer Lingus is in, the more I find myself supporting management and their quest to cut costs because at the end of the day those cost reductions could save Aer Lingus and enable it to have a profitable and strong future. That doesn't mean I don't respect the staff and all their hard work, they are the people that often make Aer Lingus stand out from other low cost airlines and even many full service airlines but without the savings who's to say Aer Lingus will be around in six to nine months time.

It would be easier to support management if a strategy was announced but I know they must have something planned for the short to mid term future once they've gotten the cost base the levels needed.

I hope an agreement is reached by are all parties and that it isn't a compromise because that would be a short term gain and everyone would find themselves in the same position again a few months down the line and that happened too many times under Dermot Mannion's reign.


User currently offlineCallbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14733 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 5):
but I know they must have something planned for the short to mid term future once they've gotten the cost base the levels needed

Unfortunately despite front line staff giving the desired cost savings in the past, there has been precious little sign of the "something planned" . So here we are again with back office staff giving little or nothing while the very people who "touch" the aircraft on a daily basis are targeted for more and more cuts. Based on past performance I would be very surprised if the current management team have ANY forward plan, other than hope for a strike and shut the airline and re-open using the BFS/LGW contracts....


User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2761 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14685 times:

Nice thread title! I keep forgettin it's nearly christmas....


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6957 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14687 times:



Quoting EISHN (Reply 3):
CM has not been a breath of fresh air

Give the man a chance. Everyone expects CEO's to come into a company on a monday and have the problem solved by 12:30 on the Wednesday.

EI is highly unionised - and things happen slowly.

As for EI declining - an interesting Anna.aero chart states otherwise so far this winter.




So. for the good news. My Mastercard Debit card arrived in the post this morning. No more FR credit card charges....



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

Is anything more being said about Ryanair's 'plan' to serve North America (eventually)?

I live in southern New Hampshire, near Manchester Airport and about one hour northwest of Boston. Our region would be very receptive to Ryanair, either up here at MHT or down at BOS.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6280 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14654 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 9):
Is anything more being said about Ryanair's 'plan' to serve North America (eventually)?

I live in southern New Hampshire, near Manchester Airport and about one hour northwest of Boston. Our region would be very receptive to Ryanair, either up here at MHT or down at BOS.

It's more Michael O'Leary's plan than Ryanair's, he wants to set up a long haul, low cost airline that will be completely independent of Ryanair and the Ryanair brand but says he will only order aircraft when he gets the right price, just like after 9/11 when he "raped" Boeing but I don't think he has confirmed that he is in talks with any manufacturers for long haul aircraft.

It's likely that he is holding out hope that Aer Lingus will crumble so he can swoop in and take them over, getting his hands on the Aer Lingus A330 fleet which will enable him to start his long haul, low cost experiment with the routes Aer Lingus already serve.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
As for EI declining - an interesting Anna.aero chart states otherwise so far this winter.

A lot of that is probably down to the Gatwick expansion this winter. It does tell you that Aer Lingus want to grow if the cost base is right, which it seems to be at Gatwick so shrinking the airline really does seem to be a threat to unions or a real last resort to settle the airline.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14625 times:

Interesting article in today's IT: it looks like comments made by EI over the past few days were quite unfair in placing the entire blame on IALPA for the collapse in talks; the sticking point appears to have been EI's insistence on the pilot's taking the entire pension burden; they had - if the IT is to be believed and I have no reason to disbelieve them - already accepted a number of concessions, including an increase in the retirement age from 55 to 60 (I always thought it was 60 anyway).

However, EI's HR director has written to IALPA seeking more talks, so hopefully this is not over yet ...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2009/1203/1224259996576.html


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14567 times:

I have to say, I agree with some of the posts above, you don't start rebuilding the house until the fire is out.

Ultimatley tho, the airlines strategy just needs to be shrink and grow according to demand, I don't think anything more radical is actually required. If demand falls 20%, then cut capacity 20%, if demand increases 10% next year, then increase capacity. It's fairly simple logic, but it's the only one that works long term for any airline.


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14563 times:



Quoting Al2637 (Reply 12):
I have to say, I agree with some of the posts above, you don't start rebuilding the house until the fire is out.

Ultimatley tho, the airlines strategy just needs to be shrink and grow according to demand, I don't think anything more radical is actually required. If demand falls 20%, then cut capacity 20%, if demand increases 10% next year, then increase capacity. It's fairly simple logic, but it's the only one that works long term for any airline.

I agree. Given the huge upheaveal in the economy, the goal posts are moving all the time so to it may be hard to just say on one day this is what we are doing then the next day everything changes.

One area I think EI should look at (and CM has experience of this) is the charter market again. Given the large reduction in operators in Ireland I see a market for EI getting more utilisation out of aircraft. This could offset any cuts/reductions in scheduled services.


User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14552 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Give the man a chance. Everyone expects CEO's to come into a company on a monday and have the problem solved by 12:30 on the Wednesday.

EI is highly unionised - and things happen slowly.

As for EI declining - an interesting Anna.aero chart states otherwise so far this winter.




So. for the good news. My Mastercard Debit card arrived in the post this morning. No more FR credit card charge

Its very interesting to see that all the airlines that are in the minus are all apart of the 3 big alliance's  Wink



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14557 times:

Aer Lingus cabin crew in last-ditch attempt to save jobs

Representatives of Aer Lingus cabin crew remained locked in talks with airline management last night in a last-ditch bid to prevent the company from immediately proceeding with up to 1,000 layoffs.

Aer Lingus had appeared to abandon negotiations on Tuesday evening, when it said that it had been unable to come to a satisfactory agreement with all unions to secure cost savings of nearly €100m.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...-attempt-to-save-jobs-1962359.html



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14520 times:



Quoting Al2637 (Reply 12):
the airlines strategy just needs to be shrink and grow according to demand

tell that to MO'L whose strategy is grow to stimulate demand.

If you're cost base is low enough to allow a forray into a new market when others are pulling out, its a perfect time to give it a shot. Unfortunately for EI, with capacity growth ex-ireland comes an associated large increase in costs.


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14513 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
Interesting article in today's IT: it looks like comments made by EI over the past few days were quite unfair in placing the entire blame on IALPA for the collapse in talks; the sticking point appears to have been EI's insistence on the pilot's taking the entire pension burden;

I don't believe the pilots should have to shoulder the entire pension deficit themselves, that's up to management to sort out. Maybe a 50/50 deal could work, pilots pay half and management pay the other half? At any rate we shouldn't be too quick to lay the blame solely on the pilots, there's two sides to every story I guess.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 13):
One area I think EI should look at (and CM has experience of this) is the charter market again. Given the large reduction in operators in Ireland I see a market for EI getting more utilisation out of aircraft. This could offset any cuts/reductions in scheduled services.

At the moment there isn't really enough slack in the schedule to allow for charter services. Utilisation is still pretty high, and any extra aircraft that EI have had have been sent to LGW. It's something EI should definitely look into though if they end up grounding aircraft.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19108 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

I see RE now has DUB-GLO (Gloucester) in its pull-down menu. I flew from GLO (to JER) with NM a couple years ago. A cool little airport!  Wink


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User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14454 times:

OH O!!!

Quote:
Aer Lingus threatens to move base to UK

Aer Lingus is threatening to move its base to Britain - and make hundreds more compulsory redundancies - after the failure of talks to cut pilots wages.

The airline has applied for a UK Air operators certificate, which would let it move from Dublin to cheaper bases such as Gatwick and Belfast.

Pilots refuse to give in to plans to cut wages of those on more than €32,000



User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14425 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 10):
It's likely that he is holding out hope that Aer Lingus will crumble so he can swoop in and take them over, getting his hands on the Aer Lingus A330 fleet which will enable him to start his long haul, low cost experiment with the routes Aer Lingus already serve.

That's a very sad vision. In my mind, Aer Lingus is one of the most iconic brands out there and their A330s are the nicest-looking planes at Logan's international terminal.

In July 2000 I flew aboard EI-SHN (St. Flannan) from Dublin nonstop to Boston. The captain let me sit in the cockpit while out over the Atlantic and he was extremely cordial and conversational. This was Flight 137. On the way over I was on EI-ORD (St. Maeve).

Let's hope that if Ryanair comes to this side of the pond that it isn't at the expense of Aer Lingus. Like I said, one of the most iconic airline brands around...anywhere.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14418 times:



Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 13):
One area I think EI should look at (and CM has experience of this) is the charter market again. Given the large reduction in operators in Ireland I see a market for EI getting more utilisation out of aircraft. This could offset any cuts/reductions in scheduled services.

Its very risky thought, and EI has been burnt in the past with charter ops, so I would say they would have to think twice about getting into it, and, as mentioned above utilisation is high throughout the fleet. Plus, Sunway is selling seats on EI to the Canaries for its winter programme, so charters might affect some of its scheduled ops?


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14373 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 19):
OH O!!!

Quote:
Aer Lingus threatens to move base to UK

Aer Lingus is threatening to move its base to Britain - and make hundreds more compulsory redundancies - after the failure of talks to cut pilots wages.

The airline has applied for a UK Air operators certificate, which would let it move from Dublin to cheaper bases such as Gatwick and Belfast.

Pilots refuse to give in to plans to cut wages of those on more than €32,000

Where did you see this?? Can you provide a link?
Thanks JWMD123!

Edit: Ok found some news on this:

Aer Lingus has insisted it has no "immediate" intention to set up a new base in Britain.

UK aviation authorities have confirmed that they have held talks with the former state flag carrier with a view to the airline applying for an Air Operator's Certificate in Britain.


For rest of article go to: http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/...iate-plans-for-uk-base-436801.html

[Edited 2009-12-03 05:52:31]


Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineStyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14356 times:



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 22):
Where did you see this?? Can you provide a link?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article6941437.ece

Times of London



It is what it is.
User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14351 times:

On a slightly different note, Cara magazine is now available to view on aerlingus.com. Nice feature.

25 MaverickM11 : What exactly is EI being saved from by not being taken over by O'leary? Seems a bit of a Pyrhic victory so far...
26 Shamrock350 : The idea of Aer Lingus moving their HQ to London or Belfast has been going around for about two weeks now, Aer Lingus have neither confirmed or denie
27 Shamrock604 : Indeed. They are employing the same method as FR to driving down costs. Ensuring that one employee group doesnt feel it has management by the balls.
28 Aer Lingus : I also flew in the cockpit of SHN over the atlantic in July 2000 except from BOS-DUB on EI136. Captain was a legend and then he got the F/A to come b
29 Post contains links EI320 : Aer Lingus is starting cuts process Aer Lingus says it has set up a taskforce to start planning reductions in its fleet and compulsory redundancies.
30 Kaitak : I remember taking my godson down to SNN in around 1998/99, on 'ORD; it was a horrible day in SNN, with 06 in use, but I managed to get the two of us
31 EISHN : I understand he hasn't been round long yet, but he/the board are doing the exact smae thing as before, demand cuts from those who have nothing much l
32 COEI2007 : We have in-house catering, cleaning, loading etc, and a sizeable head office staff, yet they decide to target the front line staff again. Rather than
33 Aerdingus : Wow I'd say that was incredible!
34 Nibog : I have to say Kaitak,had the experience also,only at the back in cattle class,so I am really jealous of that approach in the "office" to the famous c
35 Shamrock350 : So is waiting for an agreement that looks just as far away now as it did six weeks ago. If Aer Lingus carry on at the current rate of losses, it will
36 Shamrock604 : There are plenty in EI who have something to give. Flightdeck enjoy what is arguably the best deal in Europe. Their pension scheme is incredible, and
37 Aer Lingus : I once did the 13L Canarsie appraoch into JFK in very low visibility, sitting in the 330 cockpit following the flashing approach lights over the hosp
38 Kaitak : Oh yes, it was terrific! I did it about three times ... first with Qantas (763) in May 1993, then with Cathay (744 - and my first 777!) in 1997. I di
39 BestWestern : In my time Ive jump seated into LCY (146), DUB (146, 737) LGW (ARJ), STN (737), CPH (737), EMA (Saab2000) and Heathrow (767 and 320). Cockpit landing
40 COEI2007 : I dont think thats the sentiment, but its hard for front line staff to constantly take cuts when the number of staff in back office departments has g
41 Shamrock604 : True, but CM has said that is going to be addressed, so the same arguement cant be made this time. He is going to cut it, and he has said so. I know
42 Srbmod : Keep the posts on topic and the personal messages out of the forums. If you have any issue with the Moderators, do not air those issues in this thread
43 EagleBoy : Can they do this when talks are still ongoing....surely they have to wait till the labour court agrees that talks have collapsed I heard that talks o
44 Kaitak : PPRUNE rumour suggests that an announcement will be made on Monday regarding aircraft and routes.
45 Shamrock350 : Welcome to A.net EagleBoy! The consultation process with unions was six weeks long and started shortly after management presented their plan. The talk
46 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Given EY's desire to up their DUB service I wonder could we see the introduction of their new A333s as a stepping stone, to test the waters? http://ww
47 ThrottleHold : Lies, Politics and Bullshit.....yes brought to you by the idiots in charge of Aer Lingus. For anybody interested in whats going on with the pilots at
48 Pe@rson : Alas, just temporary: "Flights operate between Dublin and Gloucestershire Airport during the Cheltenham Festival, March 16 to 19, 2010." From its web
49 BrianDromey : This is the truth. I understand that no one wants to have their pay cut - I certainly don't, but the reality is that times have changed - yet again.
50 EISHN : There's been speculation round these parts that EI may announce new European routes out of SNN due to Ryanair pulling out. Trying to figure out route
51 Post contains links and images Pe@rson : On what do you base your decisions? In-depth analysis?   Only joking. But I do find it humourous that A.nutters continuously believe they know best
52 Shamrock604 : So basically, the pilots want a temporary pay cut. That doesnt sound like the "permanent structural change" that is needed. Only a patch up job, that
53 Post contains links Danny : Here are sime factual numbers: "A group of 66 Aer Lingus pilots are earning almost €20m a year, an average of €300,000 each in salaries and finan
54 BrianDromey : Two chances of this. None and less than none. One A320 in addition to the LHR aircraft would be the absolute most they could expect, but the problem
55 EI320 : I think any EI short-haul expansion at SNN is highly unlikely unless management can get agreement with unions on cost-cuts. Wouldn't surprise me to s
56 EICVD : I thought that would have been the reason why alright.
57 Shamrock604 : " target=_blank>http://www.therouteshop.com/shannon-...port/ I'd imagine that list is not reflective of the situation when FR cull routes. If it does
58 Pe@rson : Probably, hence putting some:
59 BrianDromey : While those routes may be "obvious" FR could not make them work, with a vastly lower cost base. There are many "obvious" routes from all over the wor
60 Shamrock604 : I'm enough involved in the industry to understand that Brian. Im not talking about every single FR route out of SNN, but there are some that stand ou
61 Post contains links EI320 : No deal between Ryanair and Shannon Shannon Airport today said that no deal has been reached between it and Ryanair on the no-frills airline's presen
62 AmricanShamrok : I have a good few relatives who fly SNN-LPL too (and when possible SNN-MAN and KIR-LPL). There's surely a gap in the market with no link from KIR/SNN
63 Shamrock350 : I would love to see Aer Lingus open up more routes from Shannon, I've got a lot of family who live closer to Shannon than to Cork and I'm sure they'd
64 TravelGuy : If EI ever agreed to anything concerning any form or shape of "reimbursing" the pilots' for their soured personal investment portfolio, they might as
65 Scarebus03 : Are EI going to reimburse FR for their diminished portfolio as well? Brgds SB03
66 TravelExec : These IDIOTS [I would use stronger language, but would get moderated out] borrowed on their own account to buy shares - an action, which in itself de
67 COEI2007 : I wouldnt say oyur the only one that feels like that. And EI cant afford to loose loyal customers, but the way things are being played out, they will
68 Post contains links Kaitak : Significant rise in pax charges next year, due to pax numbers falling and need to pay for T2: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2009/1205/1
69 LUPOR1D : KRK was Ryanairs second most profitable route from Shannon over the 5 years. It didn't work, huh?
70 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus says it will accept cabin crew offers THE AER Lingus board conceded yesterday that it is prepared to accept unions’ alternative plans for
71 COEI2007 : I think thats on the the cards, with EI taking there economy product more towards the likes of TOM and TCX, by offering the choice to pay for meals e
72 AirNz : Unfortunately, very indeed and indeed sad to see it that way. I certainly congratulate the cabin crew in their decision considering what they have al
73 EagleBoy : Cant argue with this. It was a risk and it could have earned them money with a different outcome. I would argue that the "hot shot pilots" (to quote
74 EIJFK : Just booked my Christmas flights! Flying DUB-JFK on the 105 on 22nd December, flying back 13th January on the 104.
75 AirNz : If you are referring to myself (and please correct me if not) I would agree with you absolutely, and that is most certainly not what I was even remot
76 Shamrock604 : A lot of testosterone floating around in that group sadly AirNZ. Many of them feel the airline exists purely to serve their career, and should never
77 Scarebus03 : It seems to be a catch 22 for the pilots, the board take decisions to maximise the dividends of the shareholders. In this case those decisions will af
78 Shamrock604 : I do feel for their predicament in some ways scarebus, even if i seem a little critical. I just feel those lower down the seniority list are being ca
79 Post contains images Irish251 : People might be interested in this unusual visitor to DUB today. It was fuel-stopping with the Turkish PM on his way to Washington DC. At Weston is th
80 ClassicLover : Did anyone see the article today that Ryanair will start charging for Visa Electron transactions from 1 January? You probably all have... The Masterca
81 BrianDromey : There was some discussion on it a bit further up. I know its probably not the right attitude, but I can't be bothered with all the hastle of a pre-pa
82 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus traffic statistics - November 2009 http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/ir_traffic_nov2009.pdf Same story all year really, long haul down and
83 Shamrock604 : Yes, but on this occasion we must be aware that this is a result of a big capacity cut with SFO and IAD and SNN capacity cut. It would indicate perha
84 Loughrey1 : Just wondering, Why doesn't EI operate to places like LPL or BHX or even CWL from BFS? In my opinion, having travelled on each of these routes numerou
85 Shamrock604 : Agree, but I dont think they have the right aircraft at present. My feeling is that the 320's with 174 seats are a bit too big for those markets at a
86 COEI2007 : A 320 is to much capacity for these routes, maybe if EI gets 319's or something similar we will see routes like that. WW has smaller 737's abd BE has
87 Shamrock321 : Day tripping to FRA with EI tommorow, once last day in work before a few days off and have been told Ill be working check in tonight, first time in 3
88 Post contains links OA260 : Have fun look forward to a TR ---- Endgame at Aer Lingus BOLSHIE trade unions who obstinately refuse to accept economic reality, an organisation that
89 Nibog : Can I second that motion!!!,great to have you back,"things" have kinda gone quiet here.
90 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Reported today is that BHD will get the green light for a runway extension, I don't think anything official has been announced but it seems to be a do
91 EireRock : Hear Hear, place wasn't the same without you.
92 Lasno : Yes, welcome back Philip
93 Post contains links OA260 : Thanks guys . ---------------------- Your early morning new digest is here Aer Lingus to ban new staff from costly pension scheme AER Lingus has estab
94 Shamrock604 : You have to feel kinda sorry for the residents here. Although the airport are correct that they are the only one with a seats for sale restriction, t
95 OA260 : I do have to say I like the BHD-LHR BMI service. For me its handier than BFS although these days 90% of my flying is from DUB. Your right about the b
96 Shamrock604 : Ah yes, LCY. But to be fair about LCY, you dont see A321's or 738's going in and out. The 318 only really manages because of the 32 seats. It would r
97 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Ryanair deal on Boeing aircraft 'unlikely' http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1208/breaking34.htm O'Leary says a price has been agreed
98 Pe@rson : LOL. Negotiating through the media seems to have paid off if the price is now right. Whatever, so long as it achieves a deal that both parties are ha
99 EagleBoy : What a surprise! A badly written inaccurate scaremongering piece form Independant media. To quote "While some of the 4,000-strong Aer Lingus workforc
100 OA260 : Yeah the Indo sure does think up some headlines. There must be whole aviation department thinking up these catch phrases lol...
101 IrishLPL : I'm in two minds about the BHD runway extension; I don't think since FR's arrival I've ever used BFS or DUB for hops over to see the family- its so co
102 Post contains links and images EI320 : A Golden Bull Award anyone? Well you'll be delighted to know that the DAA has been awarded one. The DAA monopoly award-winning airport received the aw
103 EIRules : Welcome back Philip, anet is a better place with you than without. When's the next trip report lol?
104 OA260 : LOL.. can you imagine asking them permission to do a TR and take pics in the Terminal lol.. Next week
105 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus chief warns of Ryanair threat The new head of Aer Lingus has warned that the Irish airline risks being taken over by its larger rival Ryana
106 Shamrock604 : Well, I suppose at the very least, this means that the horse trading and bartering between EI MGMT and staff is continuing, which is evidently better
107 Post contains links EI320 : Maybe not.... Pilots say Aer Lingus talks collapse The pilots' union IALPA says talks between pilots and Aer Lingus broke down last night without agr
108 EagleBoy : The Unions haven't been mentioning strikes or stoppage this time around. Which to my innocent ears tells me they are seriuosly working on the cuts an
109 Al2637 : In fairness, you can talk to the unions forever and not achieve anything. DM tried it and went around in circles for years. At a certain point CM has
110 EI320 : I understand that SIPTU intend balloting their members before Christmas. I presume the other unions will be doing the same. It's fair to say that mos
111 Shamrock321 : Had 2 OK flights with EI yesterday, outbound on DET was delayed due to ATC and return on EDS was early, the interior of EDS is awful, velcro for headr
112 Post contains links OA260 : Dublin loses more direct routes than any other European airport Wednesday, December 09, 2009 DUBLIN Airport has been hit more than any other airport i
113 EireRock : Yet the DAA will introduce a rise in passenger charges from next year. Everywhere else we are seeing prices come down and yet the DAA want an increas
114 COEI2007 : Thats a shame! What was unprofessional? EDS is horrible inside, and the legroom is terrible if youre not in rows 1-8 or an exit row
115 Shamrock321 : I got an exit row so it wasnt to bad! On the outbound flight they guy beside me ordered a breakfast, the crew said they had ''none' left but said they
116 EagleBoy : The RTE clip has the pilot spokesperson saying that IALPA would deal with the pension defict, as well as deliver 33M annual savings. Previously didn'
117 EI564 : You must say that it is rather unlucky that they are opening a terminal right in the middle of such a serious downturn. I suppose they have to pay fo
118 ThrottleHold : Welcome to my respected users list. There is a lot going on in the background that is not publicly available info. Suffice to say, there are certain
119 Post contains links EI320 : Strangely enough, Sean Coyle has resigned today from his position as CFO. http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/1209/aerlingus.html To be quite honest it's
120 Shamrock350 : Wonder how long it is before he is back at Ryanair, it was only last week that I read he was planning on resigning and was actually steering Aer Ling
121 COEI2007 : Well nobody knows the exact details of the pilots deal, so its hard to comment, but I think EI are just playing hardball. If the pilots have come up
122 BrianDromey : Im not sure what is going on at EI at the minute. On one hand the management are saying the company needs to change, yet the plan is taking an awful
123 COEI2007 : I kind of think that to. I think CM wants to shake things up at management level, and obviously Coyle wasnt part of the plan! I think CM and CB have
124 ThrottleHold : Well, when one party to the negotiations constantly moves the goalposts and contradicts themselves in their position day-by-day, it's pretty difficul
125 BrianDromey : who would sell their shares? Tailwind? Denis O'Brien? The Government? IF EI can get a viable plan in place they have a shot at medium-term independen
126 ThrottleHold : An important part of the equation. No No Possibly. Exactly....but they haven't and neither do they have any interest in getting one in place. That wo
127 EI320 : And if they succeed in their goal, what's in it for them?
128 ThrottleHold : A nice healthy premium return on the current stagnant value of the shares that they were given in their remuneration packages. Remember those "golden
129 Kaitak : Congrats on your three year anniversary at A.net, Brian! Personally, I think MO'L is going to play hardball. At the end of the day, the likes of Denis
130 EI320 : Re the airport departure tax:
131 Kaitak : Can't deny he has a point; I rarely agree with ND (largely because he rarely says anything), but there are a lot of charges - not least (since only l
132 Styles9002 : From you contributions to this thread, I can only assume that you are either on the inside or have a contact inside the pilots group. I have no veste
133 Irish251 : No change and, in general, unless you are a public servant (not many on this board, I think!) the Budget is nothing like as hard-hitting as was being
134 TravelExec : The management have a duty to manage the company towards a better end. You can agree or disagree about what that end should be, or how to get there,
135 ThrottleHold : Wouldn't we all like to see it managed to a better end? In my years, I've seen so many so-called "managers" come and go that couldn't manage a p*ss-u
136 Aer Lingus : just thought i'd add a bit of humour as i ended up making a stupid mistake booking a ticket. anyone have any idiotic flight related incidents?! though
137 Shamrock350 : This happened to me during the summer with Aer Lingus, left out a letter in my name and was worried about it so considered rebooking or just paying t
138 BrianDromey : I think the industry standard is up to three letters are allowed to be changed, free of charge. Of course FR has a habit of not sticking to industry
139 DavecFlyer : I was once booking an FR flight for my father but using my credit card. I entered in his name etc and then my email address. The system then gave me
140 OA260 : That used to be the case until airlines caught onto the money racket. Air France for instance required the ticket to go back for a refund and buy a n
141 EIJFK : Oh Lord, yes! I went to college in America, and I came over to Ireland during the Thanksgiving break to take my driver's test (which I passed). I had
142 EagleBoy : From what I have been told it is managers who have been there for quite a while don't seem to realise they are working for an airline. For instance t
143 Part147 : Think again! ...and I don't drink either - so not a happy budget for myself and my family
144 AirNZ : Sorry to disappoint, but it has absolutely nothing to do with FR being FR....there is no 'industry standard' as you are assuming. It is entirely up t
145 BrianDromey : I didn't intend that to be in any way as a bad thing. My use of the term "industry standard" was probably a poor choice - I should have said, in gene
146 Aer Lingus : the manage booking section quoted me €100, so that would be a no! hence why i just booked s second €20 ticket to be safe!
147 Humberside : Cork has appeared on the Danube Wings website route map as a summer destination. Can't see any information about where they will fly (Bratislava maybe
148 EagleBoy : Same here. Family income is down Eur9320 annually, both incomes as public servants. Forgetting about ourselves,that 9K will no longer be spent onward
149 EIBoston : Sorry to hear that EagleBoy. Of course you are right about less money going back into the Irish economy and that something that this awful gov don't
150 BrianDromey : I agree with both your point and EagleBoy's. 9k would leave a big hole in most households finances. Here in the UK things never got quite as expensiv
151 Kaitak : Does anyone know when the next FR 738s are due for delivery? Just noticed on Jethros that the next acft due for delivery are in the EI-EKx sequence, s
152 OA260 : To be honest everyones having to cut back. I know people that never had the luxury of the above , the government have to cut things somewhere. I lost
153 Irish251 : They commenced service from Poprad/Tatry to Dublin last weekend, so maybe that's where the ORK flights will originate too.
154 TravelExec : Some of the management of EI has been atrocious, granted. Take that up with the board of directors. It is not an argument for pilots/others to be a t
155 Acelanzarote : Looking a booking a couple of EI flights (ACE-LGW-ACE) in Jan 10 but all the talk on here about EI make me wonder if its wise? I presume nothing will
156 Toulouse : I personally wouldn't hesitate. In fact I've just recently booked numerous return flights with EI for the period from February to April of next year
157 Acelanzarote : ok, thanks very much for your speedy thoughts. Will book later once the password is to hand! cheers
158 Aer Lingus : Any industrial relations problems in DUB/ORK/SNN will most likely not affect LGW/BFS as they are under different terms and conditions not to mention
159 TravelExec : you will have no problem.
160 EI320 : A lot of EI flights suffering big delays and cancellations to/from Heathrow today and this evening due to weather. Seems to happen every year around t
161 Post contains links Kaitak : More talks expected between EI and IALPA over proposed cuts: http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/1211/aerlingus.html Glad to see there is still some hope
162 AirNz : Ah! cheers for that then Brian, and thanks. Most airlines in fact do not permit name changes at all while only some will permit perhaps three letters
163 Scarebus03 : Hi Kaitak, What would you suggest fleetwise? EI have already been down the road of having a mixed fleet and it didn't work. Making DUB into a hub has
164 TravelExec : I don't think that this has been tried properly. Timing of connections to the US off european flights, taking advantage of pre-clearance in Ireland f
165 OA260 : Maybe when T2 comes they will be able to offer a easier consistant product for transit. There has never been the motivation for the last 20 years. To
166 Kaitak : I agree totally that the Jetstar/Air Asia X model is the way to go. I guess the big issue is how they combine a hub with low cost long haul and conne
167 Acelanzarote : Thanks for the comments, booked Lanzarote-Gatwick return in January, think the taxes etc far outwayed the fare price. Will be interested to see what t
168 AirNz : But surely this would be amplifying EI's problem........you are suggesting an LCC model for only part of the aircraft. The crux is to have a uniform
169 Kaitak : The point I was trying to make is that in the "extreme" or "ultimate" low cost model, connecting is viewed as a frill; FR does not connect, and I thi
170 TravelExec : And, I would argue, that Americans only want to visit Ireland... Aer Lingus should be using Ireland as a gateway to Europe for American tourists woul
171 Aer Lingus : They really missed the boat on the 787. Im just looking at the stats on both the 358, 359 and 787 and the more I read the more I bang my head over wh
172 AirNz : Absolutely agree with you....but it's this kind of completely limited outlook over many, many years which has helped put EI in the position it's in.
173 COEI2007 : You can do it at check in, and also at the self service kiosks in LGW yourself I dont think they have tried at all to be honest. Nothin has been re-t
174 Post contains images EIJFK : I'm flying to the US for Christmas, and I just received this in my inbox: Never have I EVER been prompted to upgrade. Are they trying to earn some ext
175 Post contains links Kaitak : I think so too. Don't forget, however, that they had the potential to do this (as far as regional UK cities are concerned) back in the early 1990s, w
176 Pe@rson : I don't think there was "acidic bitchiness." Moreover, if there was EI is, like any business, is fair game. Ah, I see: it is because it is about EI t
177 TravelExec : I have to agree with Pearson here... I don't see any FR hand here or any particular bitchiness. You have a CFO hired by one (incompetent) CEO to do a
178 Shamrock321 : MON have no ops at DUB this winter,ski charts start on 26 DEC and are being done by OS, BD, TOM and LS. Typical destinations like GVA,PDV etc.
179 Pe@rson : I’m flying EMA-BHD-EMA tomorrow. I have been to BHD before, but I have hitherto not been into the city. I will go there tomorrow. Incidentally, does
180 Rufusisgod : MON will be returning in May for the the summer season and now that PF has left DUB they may stay for the winter. LS is in doing the North Pole flight
181 Styles9002 : I'll third what Pearson and TravelExec say. It is an opinion piece and its not meant to be soft on them. I don't find anything in it factually incorr
182 TravelExec : Actually, my point was a little different... This is one case where I would say it may even have been mutual consent. SC had been hired in with one p
183 EireRock : CSA are also doing some ski flights, along with Lanzarote too!
184 AirNz : Yep, it's still there amid the significant renovations/improvements being made. Good view indeed, and equal to a Club room at the Renaissance at LHR!
185 OA260 : Do they still? I think that Americans go to many other places and the huge passion to come to Ireland may be talked about but doesnt always get to th
186 Pe@rson : I attended an event at that hotel earlier this year and my boss specifically gave me a room with an airport view. Fantastic! Looking forward to retur
187 Kaitak : Love that hotel! Have been there a good few times over the years. There are principles at stake, in that if CM's plan comes a cropper (and obviously
188 AirFinglas : Hi JFK....Regarding the offer of upgrade for €400.....if you are flush I would give it a go...but only one way - DUB-JFK. That way you get to experi
189 LUPOR1D : Just back from a return SNN-EWR-SNN with Continental...just worth commenting, both flights were full both ways and overbooked (was offered 400 in trav
190 AmricanShamrok : Interesting...they had overbooked the flight when I went out on CO25 in July too-at that time they were offering to transfer people onto DL but since
191 Post contains links AirFinglas : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWW91tMevw I came across the above video posted on Youtube. If anybody fancies a bit of entertainment check it out. Th
192 OA260 : They heavily advertise it even in the elevators that they do a spotters package for 96 quid on the Club Level. I got more digs in the elevator when m
193 LUPOR1D : Well, considering Delta arent operating to Shannon atm, might present an operational difficulty in one sense
194 AirNz : Keep up the good work there....definitely lol!!! I always stay at there when in LHR, so hopefully we might meet some day!
195 EagleBoy : But isn't this part of the new EI 'Business' class. The late flight assumes people eat before the flight and rest enroute. I thought they did a surve
196 BrianDromey : I wonder if the high volumes of FR traffic over the past few years have contributed to this? SNN was designed more to cater for large numbers of pass
197 Post contains links OA260 : Aer Arann debt restructuring is 80pc complete, says O Ceidigh Monday December 14 2009 Aer Arann has restructured some of its debts and is formulating
198 BHD : Unless someone has already answered this (in which case sorry for duplicating) I believe the upstairs cafe is now airside due to the renovation of th
199 Acelanzarote : Are we talking at the cafe at EMA, if so I can confirm its now airside and headed straight up their once airside last time I flew back from there,....
200 LUPOR1D : No- declined both...just wanted to get to EWR really, JFK is at the wrong side of the river for where I needed to get to
201 DavecFlyer : Looks like it was G-DBCI but I can't find a tie up between the callsign and the flight number. The times seem to match however. ACARS mode: 1 Aircraf
202 OA260 : Thanks was too dark and couldnt make it out. I will go with that Reg anyway
203 COEI2007 : You can tilt the end of the seat upwards so you dont feel like youre sliding There are meals in the lounge now. The aim is for people to eat in the l
204 Pe@rson : I had a terrific day yesterday in Belfast, and I thoroughly enjoyed walking about. About the flights: EMA-BHD. Was a busy flight. Interestingly, no on
205 OA260 : Glad you had a good trip. I notice also that the Priority/Speedy boarding ques are getting less and less. Good for those of us that want the sevice.
206 JWMD123 : When you say 112 out of 189 are these flights not load restricted? On that basis, would FR class this flight as having a higher load factor? I just a
207 BrianDromey : I completely agree with you on this. I have flown 6 FR sectors this year and all of those were on-time, or early. Aircraft have generally been clean,
208 Pe@rson : They were, but this apparently stopped for some reason according to an A.nutter (whose name I have forgotten). But frankly I am not sure what the sit
209 Neutral : I presume Aer Lingus will pick up some extra passengers now that BA are going on strike with maybe a improvement on the USA routes.
210 Shamrock321 : I would imagine that most EI T/A flight are pretty close to full anyway over the days before christmas and new year, having looked however EI are curr
211 COEI2007 : Another airline striking is ideal for EI. Usually its EI with threats of strike, but i'm sure people, especially ex LGW will try and book with anothe
212 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair flight crew's response to take-off incident criticised NINE OXYGEN masks failed to deploy and cabin crew were reduced to banging on the cockpi
213 Pe@rson : Presumably the passengers didn't have the required £1. In seriousness, most interesting!
214 Kaitak : I agree that EI can probably gain from this, but as someone who is booked to fly with BA on the 23rd December, I have proposed the following steps: 1
215 Post contains links COEI2007 : British Airways Strike Spurs Virgin to Add U.S. Seats http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aD5auZN_Gcxk I'm sure BD, EZY, VS etc, are h
216 Shamrock350 : I already know two people who have booked flights with Aer Lingus from Gatwick just in case there is a strike with British Airways, the flights were
217 DavecFlyer : I love the bit in the report where it says that it was the first officer's first line flight. Now there is a baptism of fire!!!
218 Nibog : I have to say gentlemen,this is one reason i enjoy the Irish threads,my sides are still sore!!!!! Bad move by BA cabin crew,I just hope that the same
219 Kaitak : Just the old bog standard JER-LGW. Then on to DUB with FR. However, I'm going back via MAN (purely because I want to call into the aviation shop).
220 Shamrock350 : Ryanair is expected to announce a new base at Faro and possibly Malaga tomorrow, they've both been rumoured for years so it wouldn't be a surprise! Th
221 TravelExec : Just got home from what is probably my last flight of the year... flight number 103 21 Airlines [30 flights on EI, 27 on FR] 39 Airports I have to ag
222 COEI2007 : The pilots have said they wont strike over Xmas so things should be ok On 1), I completely agree. There is some good potential to poach some BA regul
223 Shamrock350 : Looks like Ryanair is set to announce three new routes to Ireland as part of their big expansion at Faro which will see 14 new routes at the new base
224 OA260 : I agree although I do see it from both sides as one of my mates is L/H cabin crew and there is another side to the story but I still think the Xmas s
225 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Clearly not! NEW KERRY AND KNOCK ROUTES TO ALICANTE AND FARO Ryanair switches Alicante and Faro routes from Shannon to Kerry and Knock Ryanair, the w
226 TravelExec : Interesting to see that some of the regionals are getting Faro with FR, and yet on the same day AGP was announced as a hub with a load of new routes,
227 Shamrock350 : I think Ryanair will keep AGP at SNN so they probably see no need to shift it to any other airport. If they had dropped AGP from SNN then I'm sure Ke
228 Post contains links OA260 : A GROWING number of Irish people are being stopped at international airports and other border controls because they attempt to use passports which hav
229 Neutral : Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates, is to increase its flying programme to Dublin, moving from its current daily service
230 EIBoston : Some positive news for a change! Just goes to show there is more to L/H than the US from Ireland. EI please take note.[Edited 2009-12-16 09:09:50]
231 EI320 : Great news, EY have really been the success story at DUB over the last couple of years and long may it last. Well the Anna Livia lounge just doesn't
232 COEI2007 : Hopefully CM will wake up some of the EI management and show them what's happening with other airlines at DUB! It has been said over and over again,
233 Post contains links Lasno : Travel trade gazette reports that Flyglobespan has been placed in administration. www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layout?p_l_...=3463174&articleTitle=Flyglob
234 Neutral : It just shows what a mess EI made of Dubai with only 3 times weekly service and here is Eithad increasing to 10 weekly,I wonder are they looking ahead
235 Shamrock321 : EI could perhaps have done better on DUB-DXB but it wasnt a mess. EY are so strong because of the huge amount of onwards connections they can offer! I
236 EagleBoy : Absolutely. EI need to take the opportunity to get all those USA bound pax from Northern ENgland to go via Dublin.,and also to stop the people who go
237 COEI2007 : But had EI arranged some sort of code-share or onwards connections with EK, given the demand for flights between DUB and DXB, they could have made th
238 Kaitak : Great news; and with FR's new services, great to see some good news for a change. I see EY received a new 77W very recently, so that'll probably rele
239 Shamrock350 : The new EY lounge will probably be part of the Terminal 2 opening, looking forward to seeing what they have in store. I hope Aer Lingus put some effor
240 OA260 : end of Irish flights then ,they never had a good reputation since the NOC disasters
241 Shamrock321 : EK wanted nothing to do with EI, there long haul product at the time was pure crap and EK didnt want to sell it. The only way it would have worked was
242 OA260 : The only way it would have worked if EK used their own metal and EI had a codeshare on it IMHO. Going from EK to EI on a L/H trip back then was like
243 EI320 : When is this due for delivery? I was under the illusion that all remaining A330 deliveries had been deferred. Well said!
244 EIBoston : haha, love the comparision!
245 TravelExec : Who are all those people flying EY? Are there really 3000 people a week going east from Ireland? Wow... So, if EI can't code share with EK for onward
246 Post contains links EI320 : Aer Lingus talks with its pilots end Aer Lingus management and the pilots union IALPA have concluded their appearance before an Arbitration Tribunal
247 COEI2007 : Its very true. The most important thing is getting through 2010, but I think a part of this has to be a clear strategy for long-haul, which i'm sure
248 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Another few weeks with everyone left in limbo while Aer Lingus continue to loose money everyday. I suppose they have got all the time in the in world
249 Shamrock604 : True, but I guess on the other hand, an agreed settlement that takes time is better than a non agreed one which causes a strike, particularly over Xm
250 AirNz : Passengers....the same 'people' who fly airlines all over the world. Were are you arriving at a figure of 3000 from?
251 Post contains links Pe@rson : FR has announced two further bases today. Its 38th is AGP and its 39th is FAO. AGP = http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/rte-en-161209 FAO = http://www.rya
252 Shamrock321 : EY pick up a huge amount of traffic to OZ, MEL,SYD and BNE are all poplular. India is a uge market aswell with a large Indian population in Ireland I
253 Shamrock604 : Yes, 3000 is a bit high if we are talking about current levels of OUTBOUND only pax. By my reckoning, at an 80% average load, EY carry about 1400 out
254 TravelExec : Shamrock has thought it out a little more than I was doing - I was just thinking ... widebody aircraft = ~300 seats x 10 flights a week = ~3,000 seat
255 Richcandy : With Globspan gone or going does this mean no Belfast - Canada flights next summer?? My first job was with a company that chartered Air Canada aircraf
256 EagleBoy : Maybe EI might realise that they is a market to Canada from Ireland. DUB-BFS-YYZ anyone? Hits both bases with one route!
257 OA260 : Maybe TS can fill the gap. I think there will be a reluctance in the currant climate to start a whole load of new charter operations ex: Ireland , Nor
258 TravelExec : I used to drive to BFS from Dublin to catch Zoom to YYZ. They were B757s which were invariably full - it was not for lack of BFS passengers that Zoom
259 Post contains links BrianDromey : My airline of the year is definitely OS. Their LH J product is seriously impressive, a great seat is complemented by wonderful crew and outstanding f
260 Shamrock321 : EI will not operate DUB-BFS-YYZ never in a million years, DUB-YYZ is unlikely if you ask me. However I was taling to someone from DAA last week and at
261 BrianDromey : Is DUB-YYZ not a horribly low-yield destination, even in Summer? DUB is the only European city in the AC network that does not receive the lie-flat J
262 COEI2007 : The thing is that managment took no advice from anybody on these routes. They wanted to have the 330's in the air as much as possible, so utilisation
263 EI320 : I'm not a big fan of the EI/B6 alliance for the reasons you mention, but EI didn't exactly screw up. It's just the way it is, and nothing can really
264 Kaitak : It's amazing that, despite the recession, there is still such a market for outbound flights; good for EY to have tapped this market; GF had to pull o
265 Shamrock604 : Not since the summer just gone Brian. AC now use the 767-300 with the full Business class cabin on the DUB route. EI are suffering on long haul, no d
266 Phen : Hmmm...with a 77W! (Dream on says you!)
267 EIDAA : Can anyone confirm which aircraft is scheduled to operate the EIN137 to BOS this afternoon? I guess the question is more, can anyone confirm that EI-D
268 Neutral : Eithad's new flights are now loaded on their booking system its twice daily on Sat/Sun/Thurs and the times are departure from Dublin at 9.50am+20.55pm
269 JWMD123 : I gather it is D-Day today in terms of FR and any possible Boeing Deal. FR have a board meeting to decide if they will take the offer given by Boeing
270 Post contains links Aer Lingus : FR's next batch of 738's are the EI-EK* series starting with EKA http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/4190986465/
271 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus reaches deal over maintenance Aer Lingus has reached agreement with SR Technics over line maintenance operations at Dublin Airport. A total
272 JWMD123 : Were these staff that we let go previously by SRT or are they still working there. A positive for this is that maintenance will still be taking place
273 Post contains links and images EI320 : 102 job losses expected for cabin crew THERE are few hopes that Aer Lingus will renege on plans to cut 102 cabin crew jobs at Shannon in 2010 after a
274 Loughrey1 : I personally think that this is a bit un-fair saying that the DUB-YYZ route is a low-yield destination especially with its connections to America, as
275 Neutral : 450 jobs will be lost at Dublin Airport Authority if staff approve proposals aimed at cutting payroll costs by €38m a year. The deal agreed between
276 OA260 : Was that this last Summer seson gone on the new A/C?
277 Loughrey1 : I flew DUB-YYZ with AC on 30/06/09 and flew back on 27/07/09 and both flights IFE were a large screen at the front of each cabin with one of the colou
278 OA260 : And there was me thinking they were putting the upgraded interiors on the DUB route. Maybe that was just in J class. Did you notice any flatbeds in J
279 Aer Lingus : I wonder where did the EI-EI* series went? I want to try EY out but they don't fly to HKG. Didn't have a chance to fly DUB-BAH-HKG with GF before the
280 EI787 : They primarily based the non-retrofitted 763's on the DUB route last Summer as the J class demand wasn't there to warrant the XM-interior. I flew wit
281 OA260 : Kind of shame really as AC were heavily advertising their ''new'' cabins on the DUB route in the trade press and some other travel magazines. Would b
282 EagleBoy : This seems quite fair towards the workers taking cuts. Isn't this similar to what the EI pilots were asking for? Temporary cuts for all?
283 BrianDromey : I agree with you. I dont think AC are especially interested in connections to the USA, more across Canada and into the Caribbean and South America. N
284 COEI2007 : So good and bad news for EI. I think the new subsidary for line maintenance is great to have, and hopefully it can be made succesful. Also good to he
285 Post contains links EagleBoy : FR and Boeing have disagreed over the order for 200 aircraft http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1218/breaking7.htm
286 Pe@rson : FR has announced the resumption of flights to FUE. DUB-FUE will recommence. It is one of 10 routes that will be operated to FUE.
287 Post contains links Normie999 : What about this Etihad expansion at Dublin? It seems a bit foolhardy on the face of it but Etihad doesn't have a reputation for daftness so perhaps it
288 Aer Lingus : It would be great if they join One World again, more choice of connections. In the current situation EI is in at the moment and all the cost cutting
289 EI320 : I see EI have made some changes to the home page on the website. The booking system also seems much faster.
290 EagleBoy : One of the elements mentioned in the current cost cutting plan was an upgrade in technology and systems after the initial wave of redundancies. Unles
291 BrianDromey : Looks like JAL might well be exiting the alliance soon, so it would only be RJ and MX EI would have to upgrade systems for. Someone mentioned that al
292 Post contains links Shamrock350 : I like the new look but I was hoping the entire homepage would get an update as all that's really changed is the logo and design at the top while the
293 EI320 : Lounge access in DUB and LHR is available for €20 when booking. I guess it's another way of generating revenue for EI. The lounges are always very
294 Kaitak : " target=_blank>http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...7.htm What do we think about this? Just another negotiating position, or are they seriously br
295 Post contains links COEI2007 : Article in the Times on EI's SFO service: ''Connections are everything when it comes to business'' http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2009/1
296 Shamrock604 : Wel, on the 767-300, yes that was summer just gone. Political issues Brian. UK based crew were terribly unhappy that they were effectively working fo
297 AirNz : The choices of connections hasn't changed, unless you're talking specifically of Frequent Flyer miles....but that's a completely different thing. Sur
298 Aerdingus : Has Dublin airport been affected by the "blizzard" yet?
299 Aer Lingus : AF did fly CDG-HKG with the A332 3x weekly before the B77E took over and the daily B77E to the B777-300ER. What limitations did AF have with the A332
300 EIBoston : Yes I did notice the difference on the EI website. I think it is an improvement. I also noticed that the advert for hiring crew for the Madrid - IAD v
301 LipeGIG : Guys, This is becoming too long. I suggest the opening of the Irish 33/09 or may be wait to begin the first of 2010 ! The thread is now closed and due
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