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VS 744 Y/J Seat Config  
User currently offlinePlanemad From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 533 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

I noticed that from Jan 2010, VS will be reverting to a new upper deck config with some of their 744's - Y and J class... Any reason for this?

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...aboutus/ourfleet/index.jsp?type=13

Sam D

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User currently offlineStarguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

I would guess that with the fall in demand for Business Class travel across the industry, Virgin is doing this reconfig, reducing J by 10 seats to 44 and increasing Y seats by 33 to 261. Makes sense to me, there is already a large W cabin downstairs so economy makes sense. Apparently the aft upper deck lavatory is going to be reinstalled to so no issues of Y passengers straying forward into the J cabin.

User currently offlinePlanemad From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Interesting. I will have to try and take a ride in Y upstairs when it's done!

Sam D


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8340 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5627 times:
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Quoting Starguy (Reply 1):
I would guess that with the fall in demand for Business Class travel across the industry, Virgin is doing this reconfig, reducing J by 10 seats to 44 and increasing Y seats by 33 to 261. Makes sense to me, there is already a large W cabin downstairs so economy makes sense. Apparently the aft upper deck lavatory is going to be reinstalled to so no issues of Y passengers straying forward into the J cabin.

I can appreciate how removing 10 J seats and adding 33 Y seats works upstairs. WHY not add 20 Y + seats? I realize teh LHR configured 744 has 54 J/ 52 Y +/ 238 Y. The precious Upper Deck space is better for Y+ even with the recently enlarged Y+ cabin between the L2-L3 doors with 52 seats. IF VA intends to have a premuim 744 then they should have more Y+ then J.


User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5614 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
The precious Upper Deck space is better for Y+ even with the recently enlarged Y+ cabin between the L2-L3 doors with 52 seats

You ask a question that many frequent VS fliers are dumbfounded with. VS obviously shares Willie Walsh's view that there's been a structural change in J class travel, but taking space that should be at a high premium to a never before used Y configuration is just plane odd. And imagine if you're in the ten remaining suites listening to the noise and clamour of 33 other passengers, and having to wait for them to disembark ...


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5472 times:



Quoting Starguy (Reply 1):
I would guess that with the fall in demand for Business Class travel across the industry, Virgin is doing this reconfig, reducing J by 10 seats to 44 and increasing Y seats by 33 to 261. Makes sense to me, there is already a large W cabin downstairs so economy makes sense. Apparently the aft upper deck lavatory is going to be reinstalled to so no issues of Y passengers straying forward into the J cabin.

Yes, it looks as though a second toilet will be added to the rear of the B747's upper deck. But isn't this a tricky task ? I wonder how long it might take ?

More information here in this article:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...gin-to-cut-business-class-capacity

What is important here is that the configuration change will concern the B747s which VS uses out of Heathrow. It does not affect the B747s used on leisure services out of LGW or MAN so VS's premium traffic out of LHR seems to be feeling the pinch.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

What an odd idea... although this combined with the unusual new Y seats will make me want to fly it!

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I wonder how many other B747 carriers around the world seat their Y passengers on the upper deck ? I believe JL has some B747s with Y on the upper deck but I can't think of any others.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Air France does... I think?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4990 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):
I wonder how many other B747 carriers around the world seat their Y passengers on the upper deck ? I believe JL has some B747s with Y on the upper deck but I can't think of any others.



Quoting Vasu (Reply 8):
Air France does... I think?

Yes, I will be sorry when AF retires their 744s in the next couple of years as the upper deck Y class cabin on AF 744s is the best place to sit in Y on any current 747s in my opinion. The seats upstairs also have about 2 more inches of pitch than on the main deck (what a contrast from their cramped 10-abreast 777-300ERs!) And service is more personal with 2 flight attendants assigned to that cabin. I flew upstairs CDG-YYZ-CDG botoh ways last April (before AF switched from 744 to 343 on that route). It was less than half full and the overall service was better than premium economy on BA for a fraction of the fare. AF had the lowest special Y fare GVA-YYZ-GVA whenI booked that trip. I flew them again last month (343) on the same route as they again had the lowest fare.

Other carriers have used the upper deck for Y in the past. Swissair had 69 Y seats upstairs when they first put the 747-300s into service (they were the launch carrier). Later, after business class was introduced, they changed the upper deck to business class with 2-2 seating replacing 3-3 Y. AF only have 60 Y seats upstairs on their 744s. I believe JL and NH have about 83 seats in the upper deck on their high-density (about 570 seats total) 744Ds used on domestic routes in Japan


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
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Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):
What an odd idea... although this combined with the unusual new Y seats will make me want to fly it!

- Yes if in Y but not in J, it's not great for their Premium passengers.



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User currently offlineSutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4850 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):
I wonder how many other B747 carriers around the world seat their Y passengers on the upper deck ? I believe JL has some B747s with Y on the upper deck but I can't think of any others.

EVA Air do, their 747-400s (non-Combi) are config as all Y in the upper deck with 35-36 inches seating pitch

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User currently offlinePfletch1228 From South Africa, joined Aug 2006, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4830 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):
I wonder how many other B747 carriers around the world seat their Y passengers on the upper deck ? I believe JL has some B747s with Y on the upper deck but I can't think of any others.

You can add SA to that list. They are all Y upstairs on their 744s.



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