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19 Years Ago Today: 2 Northwest Jets DTW Collision  
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

19 years ago today, 2 Northwest Airilnes jetliners - one a DC-9-10 and the other a 727-200 - collided on a fog-covered runway. 8 people aboard the DC-9 plane died.

An unfortunate accident, if anyone is interested to know more in depth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_1482


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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

Wow, 19 years ago!! I remember that incident and saw company video of the DC-9 in the hangar. The 727 wing impacted below the DC-9 F/O window. The industry gained a lot of new regulations from that incident.

The tail cone failed to release.

The DC-9 Captain returned from a leave of absence (not sure how extended).

Improved taxiway & runway identification, lighting and signage.

Recognition of improving Ground Radar technology, not sure if this particular accident brought it to us given the pissing contest between the NTSB & FAA.

I cannot imagine the thought, confusion, fear and questioning that went through the flight crew mind when they saw one another on the runway. Gives me chills.

While each lose of life was horrific, this accident had the potential of a higher fatality rate.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

I was just moving at that time. The person that bought our house was on that DC-9. He chose a random seat because of light loads, but the guy who was assigned the seat he was sitting in made him move. The guy who wanted his assigned seat died in the crash, the one that bought our house broke both ankles evacuating.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

The captain of of the 727, NW299, was a friend of my dad's - they were both hired in the same class at NW. After a few months in court (totally ridiculous) he went back to flight status and went on to retire off the 747-400.


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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8682 times:

Thanks for that update Transpac. Have to love the second guessing. I sure the cockpit crew tossed around ideas for days before calling the evac.

User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8594 times:
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Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 1):
The tail cone failed to release.

The tail cone did not release because when the flight attendant opened the the bulkhead hatch, a passenger jumped in and broke the tail cone release handle before the flight attendant could release the tail cone. Both died in the tail cone area.  old 


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

For what is worth the N numbers were
N3313L on the DC9 model10, built for DL
and I think without looking, N278US for the 727-200 built for NW in the mid 70's.
The nine was written off but the three holer had the wingtip fixed and was put back into service around the summer of 91. I remember seeing it in August of 91 at DTW taxiing.
safe



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User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8430 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 7):
The tail cone did not release because when the flight attendant opened the the bulkhead hatch, a passenger jumped in and broke the tail cone release handle before the flight attendant could release the tail cone. Both died in the tail cone

Don't forget it was also brought out that the "drop" check was never accomplished by maintenance in heavy check as it was supposed to.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8067 times:

Remains of the DC-9.


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And the 727 involved 3 years after the accident.


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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7973 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 7):
The tail cone did not release because when the flight attendant opened the the bulkhead hatch, a passenger jumped in and broke the tail cone release handle before the flight attendant could release the tail cone. Both died in the tail cone area.

Now, I heard that the tailcone failed to jettison partly due to it was freshly painted and the tailcone had not been jettisoned by mx after being painted to see if it would jettison (routine mx) The paint made the tailcone stick to the fuselage. Could be true or partly true, I know after this incident, some changes were made to the tailcone release procedures, as far as two release handles in the tailcone area and more frequent jettisoning of the tailcone during mx checks.


User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
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Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 10):


Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 7):
The tail cone did not release because when the flight attendant opened the the bulkhead hatch, a passenger jumped in and broke the tail cone release handle before the flight attendant could release the tail cone. Both died in the tail cone

Don't forget it was also brought out that the "drop" check was never accomplished by maintenance in heavy check as it was supposed to.

You are correct. It was pencil whipped.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 8):
For what is worth the N numbers were
N3313L on the DC9 model10, built for DL
and I think without looking, N278US for the 727-200 built for NW in the mid 70's.
The nine was written off but the three holer had the wingtip fixed and was put back into service around the summer of 91. I remember seeing it in August of 91 at DTW taxiing.
safe

The 727 had a replacement wing installed by Boeing at DTW.  old 


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7614 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 1):
The DC-9 Captain returned from a leave of absence (not sure how extended).

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According to the NTSB report, the DC-9 Capt. was ex-Republic and had recently returned from a six-year-long medical leave. This flight was also one of his first (don't remember exactly how many) unsupervised trips after returning to flight status.



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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

Did the DC-9 catch fire? I was under impression it did not, how did the flight attendant and passenger die ? Not to gross everyone out, but those sitting on the side of the plane the wing sliced through died by decapitation. I thought plane didn't catch fire thought and those who were still living and not seated on that side of the plane evacuated normally.

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6613 times:



Quoting 747buff (Reply 18):
the DC-9 Capt. was ex-Republic and had recently returned from a six-year-long medical leave

- I have never heard of an ATP returning to work after six years off on medical. Do ATPs take the same medical examines that private pilots do in the U.S.? What all did this Captain have to do to get back to flying?

David



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User currently offlineDerik737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5849 times:



Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 20):
Did the DC-9 catch fire? I was under impression it did not, how did the flight attendant and passenger die ? Not to gross everyone out, but those sitting on the side of the plane the wing sliced through died by decapitation. I thought plane didn't catch fire thought and those who were still living and not seated on that side of the plane evacuated normally.

Yes, 14 feet of the 727's right wing was ripped off by the collision. The sparks created a fire in the DC-9.

I was there that day working for Mesaba. It was quite eerie as where they collided was a location where there could have been a DHC-8 and 757 collision in the fog as well due to ATC telling me to cross the center runway without delay in the fog. Luckily I saw the lights through the fog of the 757 and slammed on the brakes with full reverse.

This accident also led to changes of the airport taxi/runway signage at DTW.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5667 times:
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Text from the first photo on reply 15...

"N3313L (cn 45708/77) Collided with company B727 (N278US) in dense fog at DTW on December 3, 1990. The B727 was on its takeoff roll and the DC9 had just taxied onto the active runway. The B727 was substantially damaged and the DC9 was destroyed by fire (12 k). This aircraft was towed to YIP, stored, and when I caught it, was being broken up. Look at the gash under the flight deck where the 727's wing ripped into it. "

How did they tow it to YIP? That is seven miles or so by road. Did they drag it down I-94?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

To think, the 727s are long gone, and the DC-9s remain (for quite some time, too)....


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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4694 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 22):
I have never heard of an ATP returning to work after six years off on medical. Do ATPs take the same medical examines that private pilots do in the U.S.? What all did this Captain have to do to get back to flying?

A pilot can lose their medical for a number of reason and return at a later date. In fact, this is common. I knew a coupld of guys who had some form of cancer and once they were in remission for a number of years their medicals were reinstated. The same airline had a couple of guys with heart attacks and they were out for a year or two.

Does ALPA still over the disability insurance for lost medicals?


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4545 times:

Many people forget that seven years almost to the day before this collision, there was a very similar collision between a DC-9 and a 727, at MAD. In both accidents, a DC-9 strayed onto an active runway, and was hit by a 727 accelerating for takeoff. The one big difference: at MAD, everyone on the DC-9, and about half the people on the 727, were killed.

Most of the passengers on both aircraft involved in the DTW accident are very, very fortunate!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4340 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 17):
The 727 had a replacement wing installed by Boeing at DTW.

The NTSB report says Boeing's estimated repair cost for the 727 was $4.85 million..

Quoting 747buff (Reply 18):
According to the NTSB report, the DC-9 Capt. was ex-Republic and had recently returned from a six-year-long medical leave. This flight was also one of his first (don't remember exactly how many) unsupervised trips after returning to flight status.

Thee NTSB report says it was his first unsupervised flight after returning from medical leave.

Full NTSB report here:
http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...raft-accident-reports/AAR91-05.pdf


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3702 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
How did they tow it to YIP? That is seven miles or so by road. Did they drag it down I-94?

In the wee hours of the morning when traffic was sparse. The wings, engines and fuselege were not intacted when transported. This is what I was told by someone "who knew".

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