Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20777 times:
Quote: PARIS, Dec 3 (Reuters) - Airbus sold 52 A320 single-aisle jetliners worth $4 billion in an unexpected bounce in plane demand in November, but the name of the airline betting on a recovery in depressed travel demand was kept under wraps.
Which airline has stated in filings or press releases they are forecasting better times ahead? I remember a Delta release not too long ago saying they think things have bottomed out, but I highly doubt it's DL. I highly doubt it's UA also as they continue to forecast negative numbers....What about jetBlue or Frontier/Republic? Unfortunately, I cannot remember what they have said with regards to rebounds.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20540 times:
Wouldn't most airlines have to publish the order, too?? To inform their share holders of a major business decision with financial impact? So I guess it must be some government controlled airline from the Middle East.
S4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 223 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20507 times:
What is the benefit to keeping this type of news a secret? You know it will come out, sooner or later.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19558 times:
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19142 times:
United to go with all those cancelled Usairways Airbus jets.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21480 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18959 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 8): Wouldn't most airlines have to publish the order, too?? To inform their share holders of a major business decision with financial impact? So I guess it must be some government controlled airline from the Middle East.
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If they're privately-held they don't have to release financial figures, for example Virgin Atlantic, Virgin America, also Porter Airliines in Canada. They may choose to do so and in some cases may be required to publish certain figures by their regulatory authorities, but far less informatioln that if they were quoted on stock exchanges.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18826 times:
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18788 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14): According to the same sheet they were firmed on the 1ist of July this year.
Mysetery indeed!
Delta to replace all the NW DC-9's which should have been sent to the grave years ago.
N7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18149 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 15): Delta to replace all the NW DC-9's which should have been sent to the grave years ago.
Could this be taken to mean A320 series? or does it match up on the spreadsheets as an A320 order......Because i can see A319 as a better fit then the 320 for DL to replace D9S, D94, D95.
I was going to see if any of the #'s match (ex. how many Dc-9s Delta has, to help confirm or deny this theory) on widgetheads.net but unfortunatly the site is down.
Aviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1424 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17118 times:
Quoting Ammunition (Reply 4): Yes, I think QR for regional ops, or GF in line with their new strategy.
QR - I have serious concerns considering the reputation of Mr. Baker. He loves to hog the limelight and if there was an order at all, he will not keep it in wraps.
GF - I feel that 52 is too much for them for the time being.
Clemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16985 times:
Quoting N7190JR (Reply 16): I was going to see if any of the #'s match (ex. how many Dc-9s Delta has, to help confirm or deny this theory) on widgetheads.net but unfortunatly the site is down.
The site went down last week(ish). There's an entire thread devoted to these issues.
There are 68 DC9 series aircraft in the fleet according to wikipedia and 69 according to delta.com, however that doesn't necessarily mean they're all in service. It doesn't make sense for them to order aircraft at the present time (they have tons) and I seem to recall reading on another thread that they're not ordering anything else with the exception of all the second hand MD-90s they can get.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16672 times:
Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 17): QR - I have serious concerns considering the reputation of Mr. Baker. He loves to hog the limelight and if there was an order at all, he will not keep it in wraps.
On the flip side, he kept silent on the 787 order for some time. It wasn't until the roll-out event in 2007 that seeing the logo on ZA001 and in the video showed they had ordered it and even then it didn't come off the UFO field for months.
So perhaps QR have ordered the A320 replacement and when Airbus rolls it out in the latter half of the next decade, we'll see the QR logo on the jet?
SolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16550 times:
Air Arabia? They fly that model only and are Middle Eastern/Gov't entity.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10671 posts, RR: 100 Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16505 times:
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15817 times:
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 6): What about jetBlue or Frontier/Republic? Unfortunately, I cannot remember what they have said with regards to rebounds.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Frontier/Republic placed an A320 order. I would fall over in shock and need CPR if they ordered 52.
Quoting Cerecl (Reply 21): Didn't UA cancel 42 A320 not long ago? It would have been a remarkable reversal of fleet planning...
Depends. Prices have fallen, some say "significantly," so United could have cancelled the old order and made a new and better deal.
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 24): This is facinating, for the order is too small for many operators and too large for others.
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25 LH506: my bets are on EasyJet, GF, QR or something completly out of the blue like SAS, Virgin America,
26 777ER: How about JQ for their expanding operations?
27 Blueman87: B6 so they can bring more place's together
28 Olympic472: For what it is worth, A321 for UAL. I guess they have 95, B752. If they keep the 35, ETOPS and p.s. 752 then the number is close to the 52. This scena
29 Gigneil: I can't think of a single cancelled US Airways order for Airbus. Could you point me to one? The narrowbody decision has been put off for 2010. Only w
30 Asiaflyer: UA still has 42 A319-A320 on order in Airbus orderbook. IIRC UA only wrote off the deposits in their own books. What is TK's future NB plan? Will the
31 UAEflyer: Air Arabia maybe who placed that order, with a big doubt, due to the financial crisis. Furthermore Air Arabia is a private company listed in Dubai fi
32 YVRLTN: How many outstanding orders do Air Asia, AZ (Air One order), LH & BA have?? How about AC? Many A32S are getting on now. Otherwise would have to agree
33 Aviators99: This would cause some people on this message board to EXPLODE!
34 United1: US didn't cancell any orders but they did defer delivery of 54 Airbus jets till 2013 and beyond. Thats whats been rumored but AFAIK UA never announce
35 MSYPI7185: US deferred delivery, but still plan to take these jets as they are to replace 737's. The orders were not cancelled. Just slowed the delivery schedul
36 Ammunition: Air Asia have about 110 outstanding, I doubt very much the possibility of them ordering any more- especially when we consider deferrals!
37 United1: Very true but it did open up near term delivery slots.
38 DALCE: How about LH, they still have quite a fleet of classic 737's with the oldest over 23 years old.
39 Columba: They placed an order for A32x about two years ago and I believe they still have options/purchase rights for the E190s and the CSeries. The article sa
40 T8KE0FF: How about DJ In Australia? They could now reach Singapore from some places with A320's???
41 777ER: Why order A320s when the B739ER would be able to also?
42 BlueSky1976: If the order is for A321s, it's United and it might be a prelude to their upcomming A350-800/-900/-1000 order.
43 LifelinerOne: It's for A320's and United is said to postpone it's narrowbody order to 2010. Cheers!
44 Someone83: Well, a 320 order often means the 32x series. I.e it could be 319, 320, 321 or a mix of the three ...and yes, I rule out the 318 as its "dead"
45 ComeAndGo: How about Nelman's new brazilian airline ?
46 KingFriday013: Aren't they sticking with the E-jets? I wouldn't think they would introduce a new type quite yet, if at all. -J.
47 FD728: I wouldn't rule out Allegiant. They started looking for possible Mad Dog replacements this year. Maybe even SAS now that they have almost finished ref
48 Stylo777: earlier this year they said they´re going to place a huge wide and narrow body order. as they published already their plans and orders for the wide
49 Markdirk: Could it be for the "NEW EASTERN AIRLINES" in the USA?
50 Thorben: Yes, but this rules out a lot of candidates, doesn't it?
51 CEO@AFG: SAS.... Bwha, ha, ha, ha, ha They only just scraped into black figures in Q3 for the first time in I don't know how many years. I think it's either fo
52 AirNz: So equally, why order B737ER's when the A320 can do the same job?
53 PlanesNTrains: Doesn't Virgin Blue fly the 737NG already? Wouldn't it make more sense to stick to a common fleet, all things being equal? I think that was the point
54 Mandala499: There are rumours going around here in Indonesia that it's for Garuda... either them or for Citilink... sounds a bit far fetched, but a couple of Airb
55 KingFriday013: It's been almost two weeks since anyone's said anything. Do we know anything new? Am I just not looking hard enough? Did Ryanair actually get Airbus t
56 TISTPAA727: I think it was said in the Boeing orders thread it was likely for someone with poor financials (possibly an Indian carrier).
57 Stitch: Perhaps a lessor with a dicey parent like ILFC or RBS?
58 Zeke: I was thinking the possibility of freighters, the timing of the order could also correlate to when the A320/A321 freighters would be available, they
60 BoeingVista: I was thinking the timing coincided with the availibility of sharklets on the A321 which promises range / payload improvements to make it a better 75
62 BoeingVista: Pretty sure that BA have retired all their 757's apart from Openskies, United have exactly 52 757's though.
63 Scouseflyer: I was wondering BA too as now would be the wrong time to announce a multi-billion dollar order whilst they're in dispute with the staff!
64 Slz396: Well well... and they have ordered the A350XWB too.... Could we say they are the top candidate then?
65 Burkhard: I would consider this a bigger news than many others...
66 MEA-707: United has 97 Boeing 757s... Not that I´d rule them out. I can imagine half of these being replaced with A-320 family members and they keep the newe
67 Stitch: I thought UA, as well, even though they had said they were not going to pursue their narrowbody order in 2009.
68 FlyBeQ400: It's for Tiger Airways out of Singapore apparently. Name to be revealed after financing package is in place. I'm looking for the relevant news article
69 Flybeq400: My bad apparently Tiger has 66 firm orders already... The article I was thinking of just referred to their IPO plans financing 50 Airbus, but it makes
70 N623JB: Wat's the chance of JetBlue getting some of the "52 A320s"?
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