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First Airtran/Skywest Partnership Flight Tomorrow  
User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Tomorrow starts the first day of operations with the FL/OO partnership with MKE-STL and MKE-PIT service. When this was announced they said OO would have their own identity and livery. Did OO repaint a new livery, or is it the same generic SkyWest aircraft liveries we see around that are not DL or UA specific?

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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

I saw a OO CRJ today at MSP and it was still in the generic OO scheme so I wonder if they are introducing a new livery anymore.


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2916 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

It's slightly different than the former generic Skywest livery. The plane is mostly white with a swoosh of blue coming up from the back of the fueselage onto part of the tail, and the word Skywest is in white letters on the blue tail. There are a few of them painted in this scheme already and have been flying as YX* in prior weeks. Today they were parked over at the C concourse at MKE, and what I saw flying as YX* were the old generic scheme.

Beyond the paint, I don't see anything much which makes this different to the passenger than any run of the mill code share. It's the AirTran code and not Skywest, you can't book at skywest.com but must go to airtran.com, in online GDS systems like Travelocity it is no different than other code share and is called AirTran, and it's the AirTran gate and ticket counter.

The increased freqeuncy to STL / PIT / IND will make them a lot more competitive for local traffic than they had been, but unlike the current mainline schedule not all flights are timed to connect with much. We'll see how it goes.

[Edited 2009-12-03 15:46:06 by knope2001]

User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

I believe OO is operating under their own brand and none of the planes will be painted in FL colors. This is probably because the partnership is somewhat "experimental" (for lack of a better word). They don't want to spend the money painting the planes if they're not sure how the service will work out. If after a period of time they think it's going well and intend on keeping it for the forseeable future, then they might get painted

User currently offlineDevildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Here is a picture from flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/runway27r/4142228580/


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2823 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 3):
then they might get painted

No the plan is for them to be in OO colors as long as they're flying for FL.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

It looks like FL will be using C15 at MKE a lot. I wonder if FL or OO actually leases the gate now. Or I guess it's possible they could actually be using the space where there could be a C17 and they're just labeling it C15 so they can use the stairs there.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6039 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2753 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 2):
It's the AirTran code and not Skywest, you can't book at skywest.com but must go to airtran.com, in online GDS systems like Travelocity it is no different than other code share and is called AirTran, and it's the AirTran gate and ticket counter.

It's really no different than the old NW/KL codeshare, except that one party can't book tickets. While OO could technically use its own flight numbers, it seems that FL wants to do that job.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2590 times:



Quoting Devildog2222 (Reply 4):
Here is a picture from flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/runway2...8580/

Why go to flickr?


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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2430 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
While OO could technically use its own flight numbers, it seems that FL wants to do that job.

Actually it was the choice of OO to use the 3000 block. OO likes to use 4 digit numbers out of habit and of the different ranges the 3000 range was the best one to use since most of the others do have uses already or can't be used for at least a month.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2430 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
It's really no different than the old NW/KL codeshare, except that one party can't book tickets. While OO could technically use its own flight numbers, it seems that FL wants to do that job.

You're right there, other than I think OO/FL is being real innovative here, and could set a new
type of domestic operation where the "connection" carrier has more autonomy than the majors will allow as their Branded express or connection carriers. (although ZK has been doing this for a number of years as a codeshare with UA and F9, but also operating it's own reservations/marketing alongside UA and F9) Im wondering if YV is out trying to do the same thing with someone.......


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6039 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 9):
OO likes to use 4 digit numbers out of habit

Not really, no. They can use whatever they want. It's not habit, though, that they are using 4 digit numbers, but rather for organization. It simply makes it easy to keep track of who is who based simply on the first digit. Also, aside from the marketing number, 3 digit alpha-numeric (34Z, etc.) flight numbers are used all of the time for flight planning.

As for the use of the 3000 numbers, perhaps it would make most sense if indeed OO did choose the range, as they have sat empty since the DL Brasilias were forced to the 7000's. But perhaps it was even mutually agreed between the two.

[Edited 2009-12-04 02:24:16]


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2870 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I wonder if these 6 segments (MKE-STL/PIT/IND/CAK/DSM/OMA) could be the trial for an even larger arrangement between FL and SkyWest - in MKE or elsewhere. The possibilities could be endless - even more options from MKE, a buildup at IND, linking ATL/BWI with the new stations like TYS/CRW...


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User currently offlineOswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Does anyone know the load factors of the new OO flights today to/from MKE? Or at least approximate load factors?

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2166 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
I wonder if these 6 segments (MKE-STL/PIT/IND/CAK/DSM/OMA) could be the trial for an even larger arrangement between FL and SkyWest - in MKE or elsewhere. The possibilities could be endless - even more options from MKE, a buildup at IND, linking ATL/BWI with the new stations like TYS/CRW...

I couldn't see the CRJ's working from ATL, especially with DL ready to pounce at every move they make. It seems like removing such a large part of their product would only make them more vulnerable. BWI on the other hand....


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