RonmacIAH From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
The NWS is predicting 2 - 4 inches of snow in the IAH area on Friday followed by a hard freeze Friday night. What affect will this have on air operations at IAH and HOU? Hopefully most of the precip melts on contact with roadways and runways.
CO is already making accomodations for passengers wishing to make reservation changes.
For those in the snow belt, this is not a big storm but for the IAH area, this will be the earliest time in December on record that we've had snow. Being from Colorado, this is a welcome weather event and will help get me ready for the trip to DRO on 12/25. : )
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4227 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7797 times:
I'll believe when I see it.
As a transplanted Minnesotan, I pray that this does not happen, as local drivers (especially those that drive those "Dulleys") are nutjobs when it rains (rain seemingly=autobahn speeds). I can only fathom what a local "bubba" might be like on a frozen overpass.
Clusterf*ck, most likely. The Houston airports aren't well set up for de-icing. Not that they need it very often, so I'm not criticizing that decision. But it will come and bite you hard once in a blue moon.
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ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 879 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7666 times:
I recall sometime in the last 10 years that IAH had a similar event and ran out of glycol. It was a huge mess. However this time around they are preplanning. When I left work at 730pm all of the departures CRP to IAH after 9am on the 4th have been cancelled. Only the 3 originating flights and 1 at noon were operating. We did have a few customers come to the counter earlier in the day who were scheduled to fly on the 4th and allowed to rebook for the 3rd with no penalty. Tomorrow is going to be intresting, down here in CRP our deicing is contracted to Signature aviation who has a de-icing cart with a 20 foot ladder attached. I could pee harder than that thing sprays. WN has a truck, but I havent seen them prep it at all this fall. Im sure they are ready tho. This will be fun. (sarcasim)
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7589 times:
Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 6): I recall sometime in the last 10 years that IAH had a similar event and ran out of glycol. It was a huge mess.
That event was in early 1997, and a mess would put it mildly.....it was an overnight event IIRC, which had mostly freezing rain/drizzle for hours. The runways and airport were fine but those who had been on the ramp overnight got to do that de-icing conga line that lasted almost all day. The aircraft who flew in during the first arrival bank did not need any de-icing and were operating almost normal and ontime.
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 3): Probably some diversions to MSY depending how bad it gets.
Probably many more cancellations than diversions, any diversions I'd imagine would go behind the weather in order to no be impacted with the storm which will be moving east.
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Trucker From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7434 times:
Can these deicing trucks be driven on the road or just around the airport? The reason I ask is....supose you had a bunch of deicing trucks up in such places as STL and MCI and the weather was going to be OK at these locations for the next week. If you were going to get 3 inches of snow in Houston could you just drive them down there the day before it was due to arrive? Then drive them back up when the snow was done.
Mikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1424 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7318 times:
Definitely some atypical weather for this area. From the NWS...
Quote: ... Freeze warning remains in effect from noon Friday to 9 am CST
A freeze warning remains in effect from noon Friday to 9 am CST
An Arctic air mass is expected to plunge into the region Friday.
Temperatures are expected to drop to around freezing over some
inland locations as early as early to mid afternoon Friday as snow
develops across the area. Coastal locations will see temperatures
drop below freezing early evening on Friday.
Temperatures Friday night will bottom out in the 20s across most
of southeast Texas... lower 30s along the coast. Temperatures are
expected to remain below freezing for 12 to 18 hours for most
inland locations... including the Metro Houston suburbs.
Temperatures in downtown Houston will remain below freezing for 10
to 14 hours. Along the immediate coast... temperatures are expected
to remain below freezing for 3 to 6 hours.
Temperatures will warm above freezing mid morning on Saturday.
A freeze warning means sub-freezing temperatures are imminent or
highly likely. These conditions will kill crops and other
Quoting Trucker (Reply 9): supose you had a bunch of deicing trucks up in such places as STL and MCI and the weather was going to be OK at these locations for the next week. If you were going to get 3 inches of snow in Houston could you just drive them down there the day before it was due to arrive? Then drive them back up when the snow was done.
The only issue is the Overtime for the drivers/operators including hotel bills.
But I bet STL has a surplus of de-icing trucks now.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 10): If it does snow in Houston tomorrow that will be the first time ever there has been measurable snow fall two years in a row. Houston averages measurable snowfall once every 4-5 years.
Los Angeles is past due for the 'once a decade' snow fall. I miss them. They were fun as a kid! Even though it was more hail than snow (bad for the car sales lots...).
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 2): Probably some diversions to MSY depending how bad it gets. The area just north of New Orleans is expecting snow tomorrow evening and night as well but the airport should be clear.
The weather forcasters are having trouble with what is going to happen in MSY FRI PM and SAT AM. I would not be surprised to see deicing ocurring in MSY Sat AM. A rain, sleet, snow mix is expected. Forecast keeps changing every couple of hours it seems.
MSY is getting more measurable snowfall in the past 5 years, than my first 30 years I lived here.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
Meanwhile, up here in Massachusetts, it was 60 out today! Hopefully the snow won't be so bad. It's fun to hear that the Gulf Coast is getting snow before some parts of Massachusetts. Although most of the state, even BOS, did get snow in MID-OCTOBER! If you can't escape the snow in "warm-weather" destinations like HOU and MSY, why don't you go to somewhere you can, like ACK?
RonmacIAH From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6937 times:
As of 6a (CST) Friday, the Winter Storm Watch has been pushed back from 6a to 10a due to moisture moving slower into the area. Forecast now calls for 1 - 3 inches of snow and the hard freeze remains for Friday night. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Hope the posters in BOS, EWR and ACK are enjoying their balmy weather! : )
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6756 times:
It looks like it's going to be a mess. We got our 3 overnights out this morning. All 7 of our outbounds have been cancelled. We have one inbound from IAH this morning which will overnight for tomorrow and also an EWR inbound and IAH mainline inbound scheduled tonight to make up tomorrow's originators. We'll see how the rest of the day plays out. All I know is it is a long time until I get to go home at 3:15p!
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
Yeah, just talked to a friend that is on the deice pad down there. A few minutes ago, he said the precip had stopped for the time being. It looks like the heaviest is on the south side. I don't think IAH itself is going to get as bad as they thought. Time will tell.
Bring back Bethune!
: I'm located 3 miles from HOU (south of downtown Houston) and it's snowing pretty good with nickel size flakes at 10:40a (CST). Temp is 32 and dropping
: Heaviest precip is supposed to be on and east of 59. Snow will continue into the afternoon, though and could intensify. Accumulations were not expect
: http://www.accuweather.com/radar-lar...ype=SIR&anim=1&level=state&large=1 shows it snowing pretty good too.
: Oh, we are, believe me! Though there is a chance of snow mixed with rain tomorrow night, otherwise it will be sunny and in the 40s the next few days.
: A friend of mine was booked on IAH-JAX today and it was canceled last night. Im glad I'm not transiting there this weekend. Reminds me of last year wh
: My family reports we've got about a quarter inch accumulation at our house in Sugar Land (far southwest part of Houston) and it's still coming down. H
: I'm scheduled on CO 299 from IAH-DEN tonight at 8:55pm. Show's "On Schedule" now...
: As a native born Texan I can tell you that I have no problems driving on snow or icy roads. Most don't. Although I could I won't go any further here
: Have you seen the t-shirts that say "I Messed With Texas"? Hilarious! Safe travelling to all the Houston folks.....
: I can't imagine there being any issues today. 2-4 inches on warm ground that isn't even frozen should only amount to snow on grassy surfaces and a lit
: So the question is which would cost more? Canceling dozens of flights or sending some deicing trucks down there. Now that I think about it you wouldn
: As stated in earlier posts, if this event were in the snow belt it wouldn't rate as any type of advisory. In my home state of Colorado, this would co
: I'm up in Spring, near IAH and there are very light flurries with a temp of 36F. The temperature has dropped 4 degrees in the past hour. The snow is m
: It's accumulating some here in Midtown/Downtown, but the big flurries have turned into more sleet than snow.
: My sister is up in Dallas and she sent me pics of snow the other day. As with every year, whenever it even just has a hint of frost on the ground, (a
: Yea....Wisconsin too. Yes it does. Up north they'll even pretreat the roads if snow is expected. That way the first few inches melt right away and th
: I left IAH about an hour ago and the visibility was around 3/4 a mile and snow. The farther north you go as others have mentioned the less snow and a
: I got out early around 12:15 and am playing in the snow. My mom is flying HOU-ATL and was delayed due to the lack of de-icing fluid at HOU so she was
: Well, it's almost over. I expect we'll be seeing clearing skies within the next few hours. Then the cold sets in. Looks like we dodged a bullet again.
: This is in reference to deicing trucks on public roadways. Airport equipment deicing trucks included are not fit for highway use. They are not regist
: Having moved from Long Island, which regularly gets snow every winter, to Daytona Beach, which RARELY gets flurries (every few years or so), I have to
: My Dad was on a 767-200 going IAH-EWR and was delayed an hour for de-icing. He goes to Houston at least 10 times a year and he says this is the first
: www.flightstats.com is reporting excessive delays at IAH right now. CO1859 from IAD is cancelled, CO1602 from AUS is showing a 138 minute delay right
: Yep I've seen them and even have a couple from friends up north. I'll agree that some but far from most Texans have problems driving in snow or icy r
: When I worked in BWI many years ago, my company had a new deicing truck delivered from Wisconsin. It was driven on public roads but I believe they ha
: Got home after an uneventful day at the counter with no departures from 9am on. Only 3 pax were difficult. 2 were from EHAM and couldnt understand why
: We had the same here in MSY when an airstairs, mounted on a pickup truck, was driven from MIA to MSY. It took about 2 full days of driving and a spec