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LH Extends MIA-DUS Season  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Lufthansa recently extended the season of its Miami-Dusseldorf service. The "winter-only" flight will now operate through the spring, instead of March, the last flight of the season is May 23rd, 2010. During April and May, Toronto and Miami will operate together, with Toronto on 3w and Miami 4w.

LH should really boost the marketing of their DUS boutique hub, because I know people who have used MIA-DUS to connect onwards and they all rave at how amazingly smooth and non-hectic it is.


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Nice to see it expanded. This is one route that easily could go year round if it weren't for LH mono aircrafting these city pairs (MIA-YYZ).

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3324 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa recently extended the season of its Miami-Dusseldorf service.

- I have always wondered about carriers that fly into cities in the U.S. only a few times a week and who provides ground service (baggage handling, passenger handling, etc) for them at their destinations? I would assume that if they were to be using a gate reserved for "Acme Airlines" that "Acme Airlines" would service the aircraft and provide CSA services.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3304 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 2):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa recently extended the season of its Miami-Dusseldorf service.

- I have always wondered about carriers that fly into cities in the U.S. only a few times a week and who provides ground service (baggage handling, passenger handling, etc) for them at their destinations?

Lufthansa flies to Miami more than a few times a week. There is daily 747-400 service to Frankfurt, daily A340-300 service to Zurich operated by Swiss, and six A340-300s a week to Dusseldorf, reduced to 4 weekly during the summer shoulder season.

At MIA, like many airports, there is usually a third party doing the ground handling, like Swissport, but considering Lufthansa's operation at MIA is quite large for a trans-Atlantic carrier, LH probably has its own check-in/gate agents.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 2):
I would assume that if they were to be using a gate reserved for "Acme Airlines" that "Acme Airlines" would service the aircraft and provide CSA services.

At MIA, all gates are common use gates. No airline (or handler) leases a gate. Most airports in Europe are the same, but among major U.S. airports, only MIA and LAS work this way.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Of course Germany-MIA is huge..


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3288 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
Of course Germany-MIA is huge..

Traditionally the second biggest Miami-Europe country market after MIA-UK, but Miami-Italy is catching up really fast.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3210 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa flies to Miami more than a few times a week. There is daily 747-400 service to Frankfurt, daily A340-300 service to Zurich operated by Swiss, and six A340-300s a week to Dusseldorf, reduced to 4 weekly during the summer shoulder season.

No Munich?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3195 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
LH should really boost the marketing of their DUS boutique hub, because I know people who have used MIA-DUS to connect onwards and they all rave at how amazingly smooth and non-hectic it is.

Anything is better than FRA (or CDG/LHR, for that matter). I know MUC is a very popular alternative as well.



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3141 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7):

Anything is better than FRA

What's so bad about FRA, actually? Okay, it's not as shiny and pretty as MUC, DUS or AMS, but IMO it's not that bad either, and certainly better than the older parts of LHR.


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
No Munich?

Strangely not, but of course LX is just round the corner in ZRH so I don't think they want to split the south german market too much.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3067 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 9):
Strangely not, but of course LX is just round the corner in ZRH so I don't think they want to split the south german market too much.

MAH might be able to further explain this but LH did fly MUC-MIA during the winter months a couple of years back. I remember seeing the LH 767-300 then A343 back in 2006. After taking over LX it was more viable to fly ZRH-MIA and connect passengers thru FRA and ZRH. But MUC-MIA and DUS-MIA is served by Air Berlin now a days. But obviously DUS has been succesfull to MIA for both LH/LX and Air Berlin!



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
At MIA, all gates are common use gates. No airline (or handler) leases a gate. Most airports in Europe are the same, but among major U.S. airports, only MIA and LAS work this way.

I am not sure I buy that: at JFK's terminal 1 and 4 there are commom use gates as well as at LAX's international terminal used by LH and also at SFO's international terminal. AT ORD LH arrives at terminal 5 with commom use gates but leaves from UA's terminal so the gate is provided by United.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9754 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2987 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10):
emember seeing the LH 767-300 then

that was Lauda Air VIE-MUC-MIA flying for LH



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
I am not sure I buy that: at JFK's terminal 1 and 4 there are commom use gates as well as at LAX's international terminal used by LH and also at SFO's international terminal.

I think he meant that MIA and LAS are entirely common use; JFK, etc, are not, despite having some terminals that are.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2951 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10):

Guess what, after LH axed MUC-MIA a few years ago, LT / AB recently followed suit!
Is the demand on the route really THAT low / yields so bad?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2759 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 14):


Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10):

Guess what, after LH axed MUC-MIA a few years ago, LT / AB recently followed suit!
Is the demand on the route really THAT low / yields so bad?

Who cares?

In this market, I'm not surprised Air Berlin has suspended YVR/MIA/RSW-MUC, but I fully expect to see all routes return. In fact, there might be an announcement of MIA-TXL in the near future.

I think MIA-MUC would be a good market for AA to enter. It gets them into MUC without non-stop competition and puts them in the busy Miami-Germany market.



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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1605 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2744 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Traditionally the second biggest Miami-Europe country market after MIA-UK, but Miami-Italy is catching up really fast.

Isn't the 3rd biggest France with AF daily 744?
Though in the past there were an AF 744 and an A343 Daily in high season which is no longer the case



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2726 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
I think MIA-MUC would be a good market for AA to enter. It gets them into MUC without non-stop competition and puts them in the busy Miami-Germany market.

Agreed - I have always thought that Munich would be a good market for AA to enter. Miami would make more sense but DFW would be nice, too.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 16):

Isn't the 3rd biggest France with AF daily 744?

I'm not talking about frqeuency/operation of European carriers, though, just market size. Air France is the third busiest European airline to MIA, but that also includes their A320 service to Port Au Prince. Iberia is usually busier since they up frequency in the summer to 12w usually (but not last summer due to the economy). Alitalia will be #3 to Europe soon, since they will be going to 10x weekly year-round.

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 16):
Though in the past there were an AF 744 and an A343 Daily in high season which is no longer the case

Unfortunately, no, but it was actually twice daily year-round for a short while, cut because of 9/11. I'm surprise AF isn't twice daily to MIA, though, but supposedly we will be seeing MIA-AMS on DL next year. Though latest rumor is Crosair will be launching MIA-ORY next year, which is somewhat supported by the fact Crosair applied with US DOT last week to operated scheduled flights to the U.S. We'll have to see if that pans out.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2473 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Though latest rumor is Crosair will be launching MIA-ORY next year, which is somewhat supported by the fact Crosair applied with US DOT last week to operated scheduled flights to the U.S. We'll have to see if that pans out.

Now that is an interesting scoop Mark! I hadn't hear that. If it does plan out, that would really be interesting. ORY seems to be getting some interesting intercontinental traffic these days. That would really be some competition to AF and AA.

My how things have changed. Only a few years ago AA were fighting to stay at ORY before being forced to move to CDG. This at a time when BA through their TAT disaster were trying to make ORY a hub!


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2441 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
At MIA, like many airports, there is usually a third party doing the ground handling, like Swissport, but considering Lufthansa's operation at MIA is quite large for a trans-Atlantic carrier, LH probably has its own check-in/gate agents.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 2):
I would assume that if they were to be using a gate reserved for "Acme Airlines" that "Acme Airlines" would service the aircraft and provide CSA services.

At MIA, all gates are common use gates. No airline (or handler) leases a gate. Most airports in Europe are the same, but among major U.S. airports, only MIA and LAS work this way.

- I guess what I was thinking was places like RSW back when LTU was in just a few times a week, but I get your point. I did not know that about MIA and LAS and their common use gates. Thank you for the info,

David



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2398 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
In fact, there might be an announcement of MIA-TXL in the near future.

That would be great news for MIA!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
I think MIA-MUC would be a good market for AA to enter. It gets them into MUC without non-stop competition and puts them in the busy Miami-Germany market.

That sounds like a good idea. AA has really neglected the MIA-Germany market IMO. But I wouldn't be surprised if LH operated MUC-MIA before AA announces said route, if it ever were to come to fruition.
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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2149 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 8):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7):

Anything is better than FRA

What's so bad about FRA, actually? Okay, it's not as shiny and pretty as MUC, DUS or AMS, but IMO it's not that bad either, and certainly better than the older parts of LHR.

After ZRH, MUC is the most user-friendly connecting hub in Europe in my experience, especially LH's T2. AMS is also excellent.

FRA always seems too congested and the layout always confuses me. When departing FRA (not just connecting) there are even some gates (or used to be) where you have to clear security twice which is very strange. FRA also always seems to be under major reconstruction, and too many flights park at remote stands requiring a tedious bus trip to/from the terminal. However I would take FRA any day over LHR, and to a slightly lesser extent, CDG. CDG works very well if you're originating or terminating there but it's much less convenient for connections than ZRH/MUC/AMS.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
considering Lufthansa's operation at MIA is quite large for a trans-Atlantic carrier, LH probably has its own check-in/gate agents.

I believe so. I don't know if LH terminal staff work LX flights, though.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2075 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
that was Lauda Air VIE-MUC-MIA flying for LH

also LH used its own 767 (from Condor) on the route.



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25 MAH4546 : And an A340 as well. When Lauda Air operated, it was, in 2001, a 777 originating in Vienna. Unfortunately, 9/11 killed the route.[Edited 2009-12-05 1
26 OB1504 : Any chances of an MIA-VIE route coming back in the next, say, 3-5 years?
27 MAH4546 : Not unless Austrian's condition improves dramatically.
28 Avianca : but originally LaudaAir started the route with a 767, beside the VIE-MUC-MIA flights also to LAX via MUC.
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