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BAW038 London Crash Tower Tapes  
User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22720 times:

Wikileaks has posted a video of the some of the tower tapes of the BAW038 aircraft crash (the B777 which suffered a dual engine loss at LHR); my guess is that this is an ASDE radar monitor.

After the crash, you can see and hear how fast the runway was shutdown, and you can see
the fire trucks and other ground support equip rushing to the accident site.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Ai...affic_control_video%2C_17_Jan_2008


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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22519 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Thread starter):

Well thanks for that, very interesting indeed.



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22341 times:

Thank you very much. Very, very interesting.

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22178 times:

Amazing display of professionalism by the controller. Calm, precise, and concise relay of information to ARFF and an extremely diligent handling of the situation. Of course I'd expect nothing less of the guys that make it happen every day, but it's for sure a shining example of their professionalism.


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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22175 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Amazing display of professionalism by the controller. Calm, precise, and concise relay of information to ARFF and an extremely diligent handling of the situation. Of course I'd expect nothing less of the guys that make it happen every day, but it's for sure a shining example of their professionalism.

It was also massively impressive how quickly the emergency response vehicles (particularly fire) reacted to the alert and how quickly they were on the scene.

Mayday call at: 0:32 - 0:42
ATC crash alert at: 0:55
Fire 2 enter runway request at: 1:32
On scene by 2:24

[Edited 2009-12-04 05:51:42]

User currently onlineYchocky From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22139 times:

Great audio and nice graphic to accompany.

Stupid question.

Can anyone explaing the "mayday mayday speedbird speedbird 95 95", would it not be speedbird 38?

Confused in Ottawa.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21816 times:



Quoting Ychocky (Reply 5):
Can anyone explaing the "mayday mayday speedbird speedbird 95 95"

My GUESS is that someone just got a little confused. Imagine setting in to very short finals and every warning bell and message going off - and the airplane going down; I'd be a little confused as well...



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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21541 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Amazing display of professionalism by the controller. Calm, precise, and concise relay of information to ARFF and an extremely diligent handling of the situation. Of course I'd expect nothing less of the guys that make it happen every day, but it's for sure a shining example of their professionalism.

It was brilliant, wasn't.  Smile
You might think that they had all had a rehersal the day before. Great job people.  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21453 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Amazing display of professionalism by the controller. Calm, precise, and concise relay of information to ARFF and an extremely diligent handling of the situation. Of course I'd expect nothing less of the guys that make it happen every day, but it's for sure a shining example of their professionalism.

Couldnt agree more! He remained calm and affirmative.


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 21218 times:

Very interesting to hear how it all played out and how quickly everything happened - seeing all those little green blips racing across the airport within seconds is amazing.

User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2279 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20392 times:

Amazing tape. Very much reminds me of the EWR ATC tape we had around last year on that aborted 777 take off by CO. These ATC guys really are something else and that is one job I'm just about dead certain I could never handle. Incredible that they stay that cool under the circumstances. I would've been screaming like a ninny and running for the toilet paper.

User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19963 times:

Those tapes always send a shiver down my spine.

User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19804 times:

For some reason the fact that everyone seemed so calm about it made the recording all the more chilling. Imagine the pit that would be in your stomach trying to do your job, knowing that a 777 just crashed...

If the points on the map are accurate (and I am in fact looking at flight 38), it seemed like the mayday wasn't broadcast until moments before hitting the ground. Was this the case?


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

Fantastic! I had heard this before from a BA pilot, but not managed to find it about anywhere. It is amazing how quickly everything came together when the controller hit the crash button, and dare I say it, unlike US1549, where no mayday was issued, and the controller really had no idea about the magnitude of the problem until another came onto the channel.

Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 6):


Quoting Ychocky (Reply 5):
Can anyone explaing the "mayday mayday speedbird speedbird 95 95"

My GUESS is that someone just got a little confused. Imagine setting in to very short finals and every warning bell and message going off - and the airplane going down; I'd be a little confused as well...

Yeah it is perfectly understandable, and with no speedbird 95 in the vicinity the gods of chance diddn't make this a cause for too much confusion.

EDIT:

Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 12):

If the points on the map are accurate (and I am in fact looking at flight 38), it seemed like the mayday wasn't broadcast until moments before hitting the ground. Was this the case?

Correct, I believe there was a lot going on in the cockpit between the pilots initially to get the aircraft onto a safe(ish)landing spot.

[Edited 2009-12-04 11:54:39]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19687 times:



Quoting GST (Reply 13):
Quoting Ychocky (Reply 5):
Can anyone explaing the "mayday mayday speedbird speedbird 95 95"

My GUESS is that someone just got a little confused. Imagine setting in to very short finals and every warning bell and message going off - and the airplane going down; I'd be a little confused as well...

Yeah it is perfectly understandable, and with no speedbird 95 in the vicinity the gods of chance diddn't make this a cause for too much confusion.

Wonder if new build Boeings are still delivered with the little number wheels on the yoke that allow the pilots to "set" the flight number (and avoid confusion...)  Smile



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18377 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Wonder if new build Boeings are still delivered with the little number wheels on the yoke that allow the pilots to "set" the flight number

They have had those, at the end of the yokes, since the days of the B727 at least if not sooner...



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18116 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Wonder if new build Boeings are still delivered with the little number wheels on the yoke that allow the pilots to "set" the flight number (and avoid confusion...)

I always thought those were course reminders, hence only 3 digits?


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17779 times:

What exactly are we listening to? Is it the 27L TWR frequency? Is it the voice recorder for the controller himself? Wouldn't the emergency vehicles have been on 121.6? It doesn't sound like the controller has any lackey. Did BAW470 make the visual sidestep?

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 8):
He remained calm and affirmative.

I wouldn't say calm. He sounded quite stressed in fact. But he was certainly very professional as the emergency unfolded.

Quoting GST (Reply 13):
It is amazing how quickly everything came together when the controller hit the crash button

What does the crash button do? Does it just pierce the whole of Hounslow and Hillingdon with a great big aah-oogah!?


User currently offlineScottieDog From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17624 times:

[quote=Glom,reply=17]What exactly are we listening to? Is it the 27L TWR frequency? Is it the voice recorder for the controller himself? Wouldn't the emergency vehicles have been on 121.6? It doesn't sound like the controller has any lackey. Did BAW470 make the visual sidestep?[/quote

Yes you are hearing a recording of the 27L tower controller position. All ATC transmissions are recorded for play back if necessary. Fire frequency of 121.6 is available for communication between ARFF and aircraft. The fire service would be on the tower frequency in order to ensure that they were able to talk direct to that controller - who has overal control of all movements onto the runway.

I would certainly refer to the controller as calm - yes, the adrenalin is pumping, but he does not loose control of the situation for a second. He is having to liaise with colleagues in the tower, the No 2 director and approach control for resequencing of the inbound flights, whilst also looking after the movements onto the runway. What a well done job.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17354 times:

That was fantastic.
The controller was on the ball, and the fire service were as efficient as any airport fire service should be.

Thank you so much for posting this.
I was on my 2nd day of training for working at LHR and was in the cranebank training rooms when this happened.


User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17135 times:



Quoting GST (Reply 13):
and dare I say it, unlike US1549, where no mayday was issued, and the controller really had no idea about the magnitude of the problem until another came onto the channel.

Actually, US1549 did issue a mayday call at the very beginning of their first emergency tx. However, the beginning of the call was blocked by a NY Departure tx. But it's in the CVR, though not in the ATC tapes.

Great job by the LHR controller and emergency personnel!



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1921 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17099 times:

Interesting too how the captain gave the order to evacuate accidentely over the ATC airwaves instead of the aircraft intercom....talk about mass confusion.... poor guy definately had his hands full....

User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17010 times:



Quoting Ychocky (Reply 5):
Can anyone explaing the "mayday mayday speedbird speedbird 95 95", would it not be speedbird 38?

It's the callsign that was used in their previous simulator session.

Funny what the mind does in an 'unreal' situation.

I know this because in my airline we had a notice saying that the continued use of different 'real life' callsigns was good practice as opposed to sticking to a default callsign in a sim.


User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16946 times:

I can't watch it.  Sad I click to download it and it seems it's a .wmv file and won't open once downloaded onto my Mac.

Tech help, please?

-Ayubogg



Alba gu bràth
User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16602 times:

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 23):
I can't watch it.   I click to download it and it seems it's a .wmv file and won't open once downloaded onto my Mac.

WMV is a Windows Media file, and will run on Windows Media Player which is available for Mac (I have it on mine).

[Edited 2009-12-04 15:14:20 by cytz_pilot]

25 Vikkyvik : Worth noting, since it is similar, that the crew of US1549 also got their flight number wrong a few times during the emergency. Believe they said "Ca
26 Post contains links RichM : You can also listen to this tape on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meeQFO2dcno Rich[Edited 2009-12-04 15:27:44]
27 ULMFlyer : Or he/she can install the Flip4Mac component and watch it with QuickTime.
28 KELPkid : I would tend to think that the need to evacuate the aircraft would be self-evident to the passengers and cabin crew after logging one less landing th
29 CptSpeaking : Or even better - VLC player for Mac...it'll play almost any media file you can think of Hey, that was a "good" landing! Most walked away, right? Wasn
30 MeanGreen : That controller was awesome! I didn't know that UK controllers can issue conditional runway crossing clearances?
31 Razza : magnificent work from all involved... Just goes to show how important it is to be well drilled in preparation for events like these!!! It's almost a b
32 Readytotaxi : Just a thought, when was the last time a plane crashed at LHR, was it the BOAC 707?
33 Jayeshrulz : AWESOME Video....any more of such king on the internet? please link it! thank again...the ATC seems to be very professional!!!!
34 Flyingfox27 : Very impressive and its good that it didnt turn out deadly. I think it is the first crash within LHR boundary, the BOAC 707 made a successful landing
35 Maverick623 : I seriously doubt the airplane would have exploded..... even with the soft ground both landing gears went through the wings.
36 Post contains links and images Sean377 : Do emergency landings count? http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetGOJG/051197.htm
37 Myt332 : Sure why not? Looks crashy to me!
38 Bellerophon : Flyingfox27 ...I think it is the first crash within LHR boundary... Sadly, not correct. An Airspeed Ambassador, operated as a freighter by BKS, crashe
39 GST : I stand corrected after going over the mayday. Any idea id the crew were just unaware the transmission didn't get through, or did they know but were
40 KrisYYZ : Very impressive! Thanks for posting. Hearing this kind of recording really highlights the professionalism of everyone involved. I was especially amaze
41 Theginge : Not sure what the standards are but I believe the Fire Service at LHR have to be able to be anywhere on the airfield within 90 seconds of getting the
42 Post contains links Noelg : BEA Trident crashed climbing out of LHR Rwy 28R (now 27R) in 1972. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_European_Airways_Flight_548 I think that was
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