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US Airways Will Start CLT-FCO  
User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

US CLT-FCO starts May 13 with daily A333 I guess most of us saw this coming now its offical. Will this be year around or seasonal if anyone knows?

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....rticle_print&ID=1362075&highlight=

[Edited 2009-12-04 05:21:09]

edit sorry put the incorrect start date

[Edited 2009-12-04 05:24:56]

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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
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Wow, this is impressive!! After cutting a number of routes for the coming summer I was not expecting US to open any new european routes.


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9008 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Thread starter):
Will this be year around or seasonal if anyone knows?

Service will be year-round.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Nice to see more international expansion at CLT, doesn't really surprise me though after the addition of CDG which seems to be a solid performer. I wouldn't be surprised if its seasonal though, obviously FCO is a pretty seasonal market

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2879 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Daily, year-round service?? That seems highly optimistic. Rome may be popular, but I'm not sure if its THAT popular..

That said, great news for CLT. This once regional hub continues to grow, with GIG, HNL, and now FCO coming online. Can't wait to see what else is in store!



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User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Mad is coming next ...Maybe for 2011

User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8841 times:

So few carriers can make USA-FCO work year round except for a handful of large markets, and with little Star feed at FCO I wish US all the best with this one.


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Here is a press release:

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/tic...te=20091204&ID=10837408&Symbol=LCC

If it doesn't come up as a link, just copy and paste it. It's on MSN Money.

Calls for year round service between CLT and FCO.



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Can some of you help me compile this list?

In the last few years we have seen the following:

+1 DTWFCO seasonal A333
-1 CVGFCO seasonal 763
+1 FCOIAD 777/763
+1 FCOORD 763 seasonal
+1 CLTFCO A333

What about route additions or reductions from Alitalia? Am I missing any other US carrier routes?


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8621 times:

Things are starting to get crowded over there in Concourse D

So this summer we will have:

Lufthansa -> Munich Gate D12 A340-600
US Airways -> London Gate D3 A330-300
US Airways -> Frankfurt Gate D11 A330-300
US Airways -> Paris Gate D? A330-200
US Airways -> Rome Gate D? A330-300
US Airways -> Rio de Jainero Gate D? 767-200ER


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1774 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

According to the PR their loads on PHL-FCO are good as compared to some of their other European routes, and given the recent cuts in service to other places on the continent they definitely have enough aircraft. They may be able to hold their own on loads to FCO, but I wouldn't expect CLT-FCO to attract much in high yields.

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8327 times:

Is CLT-CDG still a seasonal route?

[Edited 2009-12-04 09:08:29]

User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8246 times:



Quoting Cltguy (Reply 9):
Things are starting to get crowded over there in Concourse D

So this summer we will have:

Lufthansa -> Munich Gate D12 A340-600
US Airways -> London Gate D3 A330-300
US Airways -> Frankfurt Gate D11 A330-300
US Airways -> Paris Gate D? A330-200
US Airways -> Rome Gate D? A330-300
US Airways -> Rio de Jainero Gate D? 767-200ER

Not to mention a handful of domestic US flights (I flew out of D to BUF back in April), as well as B6 flights (their gate is in D.)



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8188 times:



Quoting KBUF (Reply 12):
Not to mention a handful of domestic US flights (I flew out of D to BUF back in April), as well as B6 flights (their gate is in D.)

It's not so bad, because the arrivals and departures are pretty spread out. This is the schedule next summer - arrivals first, then departures:

LGW 1335
CDG 1400
FRA 1520
MUC 1530
FCO 1545

FRA 1620
CDG 1650
MUC 1725
FCO 1815
LGW 1825
GIG 2230

If we "give" CDG and MUC their own gates, that leaves us with 2 gates (330 gates are, IIRC, 3,8,11, and 12) for three flights. That's easily doable.



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User currently offlineInesilio From Italy, joined Sep 2009, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

This one confuses me. I expect the Rome based traffic to be nil. I remember doing FCO-CVG on DL because I had to connect through and being the single Italian on the plane!! Having said that, LF was an astounding 100%. I think it was because a cruise ship had just docked at Civitavecchia and that the vast majority of pax were heading home after cruising around the med. Don't know how the route held up on other days though.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 8):
What about route additions or reductions from Alitalia?

JFK 777, EWR 332, BOS 332, ORD 332, MIA 777, YYZ 763
LAX to start again next summer 777

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 8):
Am I missing any other US carrier routes?

CO EWRFCO 764


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8097 times:



Quoting Inesilio (Reply 14):
I expect the Rome based traffic to be nil

As Alitalia is Skyteam, this is probably close to correct. But it will collect Florida tourists very well, and some other things that may interest Italians.


User currently offlineInesilio From Italy, joined Sep 2009, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8082 times:



Quoting Inesilio (Reply 14):
ORD 332, MIA 777

My bad. After checking on the AZ website it now seems that MIA and ORD are both served by 763. Those will be difficult trips in Y!!!


User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8040 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
Quoting Inesilio (Reply 14):
I expect the Rome based traffic to be nil

As Alitalia is Skyteam, this is probably close to correct. But it will collect Florida tourists very well, and some other things that may interest Italians.

It will be interesting to see.. because in passport control I've noticed we do get a lot of Italian traffic already via Munich with Lufthansa. Sometimes there are more Italians than Germans on the Munich flight Lol...I say 40% of that plane is business travelers in general (You can always tell when the Lufthansa flight is there because they are all wearing long black coats and its all old men travelling alone lol). Of the Italians I see many tourists as well as workers coming on contracts. But I wonder if this is more Milan based traffic that LH connects in Munich. It will be interesting to see. I too can't imagine much Rome based traffic. We will see though.


User currently offlineFlyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

wow, year-round daily A333 service, they seem very optimistic indeed. It will be interesting to see how this holds up in the winter months with FCO traffic being so seasonal and all.

User currently offlinePI731 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8041 times:

Anyone know the status of the International terminal their building in CLT? And all of this expansion is it because of the battle they had over gates with in PHL a few years ago? If I recall PHL promised Southwest more gates. And I think at that time US cut some flights to expand internationally. But PHL wanted to give those gates to Southwest. And US threatened to move the flying somewhere else? I maybe WAY OFF. Sorry if I am. Anyone know the real story with US, Southwest and PHL??

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3411 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7980 times:



Quoting PI731 (Reply 19):
And US threatened to move the flying somewhere else? I maybe WAY OFF. Sorry if I am. Anyone know the real story with US, Southwest and PHL??

Not much of an issue anymore. DL is slated to move out of A-east sometime in Q1 2010


This is a good route although they will likely drop it down to seasonal. As many have said Rome is very much a seasonal market it is not worth fighting to keep the route up just so it is year round. PHL should remain year round and CLT should supplement it during the busy summer months. They should have tried making the seasonal one off routes from PHL year round.

Not sure about the aircraft. It must be coming from the PHL-FCO route that will be replaced with a A332. Which is interesting to note that CLT will now have more seats to FCO than PHL. I think a 762 would be better suited for the market, especially if they do keep it year round. Man, CO doesn't even fly a daily 762 on EWR-FCO during the winter. (Yes, I know AZ is also in the market)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32877 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Quoting Inesilio (Reply 16):


Quoting Inesilio (Reply 14):
ORD 332, MIA 777

My bad. After checking on the AZ website it now seems that MIA and ORD are both served by 763. Those will be difficult trips in Y!!!

MIA is a daily 777. Hasn't been a 763 in a while, but it is temporarily a 763 (low-density with the lie-flat seats) right now during Art Basel. Which actually makes sense, since the 763 lie-flat is a better C product.

[Edited 2009-12-04 11:02:10]


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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7799 times:



Quoting Etops1 (Reply 5):
Mad is coming next ...Maybe for 2011



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
Can't wait to see what else is in store!

Yup..I believe it is MAD. The BOD of CLT wants this route very badly(why?) This route would perform well in the summer, I doubt it would do well in the Winter. Will be seasonal.

Quoting PI731 (Reply 19):

I started a forum about this a few weeks ago.



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7742 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 22):
Yup..I believe it is MAD. The BOD of CLT wants this route very badly(why?) This route would perform well in the summer, I doubt it would do well in the Winter. Will be seasonal.

How is PHL-MAD doing??? I usually use the gate next to them for my trips to HAV and the flight seems to be very full.

CLT-MAD..........quite an interesting roue, will they use A333 or maybe B767 or B757???


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7719 times:



Quoting KBUF (Reply 12):
Not to mention a handful of domestic US flights (I flew out of D to BUF back in April), as well as B6 flights (their gate is in D.)

Very true. Last year I flew DAB-CLT-LGA, my connection to LGA was in D.



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25 USAirALB : Prob the 767
26 Art at ISP : This is an interesting observation, but not surprising, since in fact Lufthansa is the number one European carrier in Italy (according to Lufthansa-t
27 USAirALB : Are there any gates with 3 jetways?
28 Cubsrule : No, and as D is currently configured there aren't any with 2 either.
29 Gilesdavies : Great to see Charlotte turning into a proper little Trans-Atlantic hub, when ever I have flown through CLT is has always been a pleasure and in my opi
30 ThegreatRDU : The hype was true it's good to see this...this is good for the state of NC as a whole...this is definitely seasonal to send a 333 year round......
31 USAirALB : It will probably go to a 767 in the winter. Why would they say it is year-round if they dont mean it?
32 MAH4546 : Because there is no harm in doing so if they flight performs well. Not even AA/UA fly Chicago-Rome year-round, and the local market is around 12x the
33 ThegreatRDU : A winter 762 daily is still overkill....[Edited 2009-12-04 20:02:06 by thegreatRDU]
34 MCOflyer : CLT-FCO is 4812 miles and PHL-ATH is 5035 miles according to GCM. KH
35 USAirALB : What about a 752? There must be some reasoning behind this route going year round. Hmm..I wonder if there could be some sort of business contract com
36 Elcableguy77 : Let's not forget this one: US Airways -> Honolulu Gate D? 767-200ER There's no way they could fit a 762 in B or C, even if it is a domestic flight.
37 USAirALB : and PHL
38 MAH4546 : No range. BofA and Wells Fargo have no business going to Rome, which is not a finance capital. Milan is where the banks are.
39 Airlinespotter : I've seen 767 in B all the time. And there are a bunch of Carribien flights that depart and arrive all morning and afternoon & HNL also using D.
40 FutureUScapt : Don't forget about the dozen or so Caribbean flights that arrive between 1600 and 2100 each day. While there still is some space on D, there is going
41 OA412 : I believe you meant to say US.
42 MAH4546 : Not a possibility for summer 2010, since there are no frequencies available. If the frequency transfer is approved, its one or the other, or do a tag
43 FutureUScapt : Right, I should have clarified that I was speaking about 2011 and on. 7 more Brazilian frequencies will be available in October 2010 which is where U
44 USAirALB : Yes. I expect MAD to be announced in next year, and DUB the year after.
45 LIPZ : No one has answered me yet : --) Does US plan to keep CLT-CDG seasonal in 2010?
46 ThegreatRDU : Nothing business in FCO.... No year round 332
47 747fan : US' 762's may have range issues for at least the westbound FCO-CLT leg, they have lower thrust engines & mtow compared to, say, CO's 762's. I'd defin
48 ThegreatRDU : I meant to say nothing business wise
49 Cubsrule : If the need arises, I suspect US will find B6 a gate on B or C and make space for the Dashes in E. Both 4 and 6 can take anything 752 or smaller, and
50 JFKMan : This is good news for CLT. I love CLT and hope it continues to grow with US.
51 FlyCaledonian : So what do the US transatlantic schedules look like for 2010, from both CLT and PHL given they aren't taking all the A332s that were planned?
52 Usairways85 : I wonder if DL will try to take some paxs from US on PHL-CDG by upgrading to a widebody for the summer. Summer 2009 was AF 1x daily A332 and US 1x da
53 LIPZ : PHL Amsterdam - 762 Athens - 762 Barcelona - 332 Brussels - 752 Dublin - 762 Frankfurt - 333 Frankfurt (2) - 333 Glasgow - 752 Lisbon - 752 London-He
54 Usairways85 : So only 4 TA 752s? Wasn't GLA canceled? making only 3 TA 752's. If memory serves me right during the summer or 2009 the 752s were on PHL-SNN PHL-DUB P
55 Humberside : No. Despite being seasonal it remains
56 LH506 : That makes it 5 762s plus 2 for the GIG run, that leaves I guess 3 unassigned? 8x333 out of 9, so US has one spare and 7x (counting 2 for Tel Aviv) 3
57 LIPZ : There is also 1 daily CLT-HNL with 762.
58 LipeGIG : Good news but with AZ trying to consolidate and expanding to MIA, UA looking to FCO-ORD and other developments, seems a lot of extra capacity to Italy
59 LIPZ : Actually it should be : - 10 B-762ER (N245AY - N246AY - N248AY - N249AU - N250AY - N251AY - N252AU - N253AY - N255AY - N256AY) still in service. - 9
60 Usairways85 : Now that the international routes from CLT are with the A333/A332, how do they rotate aircraft between PHL and CLT. Does an aircraft fly CLT-FCO-PHL o
61 Cubsrule : 333s rotate at FRA - PHL arrives at 0645, CLT arrives at 1050, CLT departs at 1140, and PHL departs at 1245. There will be room to rotate the Brasil
62 FutureUScapt : Although it's not likely to happen, I'd like to see B6 moved over to A8, as FL only uses A8 for an RON and they could easily park it on a hardstand l
63 OA412 : I would be very skeptical of that happening. Right now CLT has a good amount of service including the upcoming CLT-FCO service. At the end of the day
64 Cubsrule : Me too. CLT is pretty well-served to Europe for a hub and city of its size, and is competing for connections for most TATL passengers not just with A
65 TheGMan : Meh. I am pretty sure the gate B6 uses does not have a sterile walkway to Customs. But it has been a couple months since I have walked down to the en
66 Inesilio : To bring this back to CLT-FCO, it is obvious from the PR who this route is aimed at: "Our new service from Charlotte will offer our customers througho
67 Cubsrule : You get access (as compared to PHL or JFK) or better access (as compared to IAD or MIA) to a lot of the southeast. That's about it - MIA has all of t
68 TheGMan : Southeast cities such as New Orleans and smaller Florida cities come to mind. I would take CLT over JFK/EWR/PHL to connect to for MCO. You would also
69 FutureUScapt : All D gates have access to FIS. The old gates (D1-D3, D5) are connected via a winding series of ramps inside; the newer gates (D4; D6-D13) all have e
70 OP3000 : Perhaps weather also. CLT does not get the volume / intensity of inclement weather the others do. ORD, EWR, JFK, PHL and IAD are not the most reliabl
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