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American Adding Flights, Destinations To Miami Hub  
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

American adding flights, destinations to Miami

From today's Sun-Sentinel
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/travel/f...can-dolara-20091203,0,590948.story

Most airline executives are weighing how many flights to cut and from where.

Peter Dolara, American Airlines' senior vice president in Miami, is adding new flights and destinations to the company's hub at Miami International Airport.

With 276 daily flights, American is running the largest schedule from Miami in 20 years. To exploit the opening of Miami's new $3 billion north terminal, which serves as the front door to American passengers, the carrier plans to grow its Miami flight operations next year.

Does American's Miami hub compete with operations of low-cost carriers such as Spirit Airlines and JetBlue Airways, who serve customers from Fort Lauderdale to Latin America and Caribbean destinations?

We compete with anybody that flies. We are used to the competition. And we find our strongest points being marketing, promotions, sales and the relationships developed through the years.


My question is will Jetblue or Spirit counter at FLL and over the next week announce something?


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User currently offlineIahflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

Is there any chance a MFE-MIA service might be in the works?


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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10516 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
My question is will Jetblue or Spirit counter at FLL and over the next week announce something?

The new terminal not being open wasn't holding them back in opening new routes as they already had enough gates, etc. Most of the newly announced AA routes at MIA are actually MQ routes to secondary cities in the USA and the Bahamas:

AA Launches Six MIA Routes Tomorrow (by MAH4546 Nov 18 2009 in Civil Aviation)

They are increasing capacity in some existing routes however, and as the US economy recovers next year AA will surely announce a fair share of new routes out of MIA next year.

As for the new terminal, without a functioning train or walkway its a nightmare for non-marathon runners. The old A is still not open, yet they have already moved the ticket counters over there and shut down the counters and skycap service at the center of the aiport, so all passengers (no exceptions) have to make a pilgrimage over to their gates in the old D and E. Not very intelligent. Its probably a function of botched construction schedules, but AA and Dolara don't do enough to counter the incompetency of the MIA airport management.


User currently offlineFlyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2019 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

We keep trying to get AA to add a 2nd daily SDF-MIA flight, our only one constantly goes out full and weight restricted, I hope they take a serious look at SDF.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10173 times:



Quoting Iahflyer (Reply 1):
Is there any chance a MFE-MIA service might be in the works?

No.

Quoting Flyguy89 (Reply 3):
We keep trying to get AA to add a 2nd daily SDF-MIA flight, our only one constantly goes out full and weight restricted, I hope they take a serious look at SDF.

About 30 more RJ flights will be added by January 2011. Maybe SDF will get a second frequency.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10064 times:



Quoting Flyguy89 (Reply 3):
We keep trying to get AA to add a 2nd daily SDF-MIA flight, our only one constantly goes out full and weight restricted, I hope they take a serious look at SDF

Hey, at least you have service to MIA; what about us poor insignificant little places that still don't have ANY service yet?  Wink

Still waiting in San Diego
bb


User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

I wonder if it is possible for AA to add DME from MIA. The ORD-DME route was dropped for '10 summer, so would MIA allow better loads?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17830 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

I brought this up in the Caribbean thread #9823, so there's absolutely no hope of it ever being answered, but is AA starting SJUVLC?


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9844 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
As for the new terminal, without a functioning train or walkway its a nightmare for non-marathon runners

Tell me about it...I had a very long walk just the other day....



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User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
I brought this up in the Caribbean thread #9823, so there's absolutely no hope of it ever being answered, but is AA starting SJUVLC?

It looks like NA is applying for 1 daily flight according to the daily airline filings:

http://airlineinfo.com/

[Edited 2009-12-04 12:26:56]

[Edited 2009-12-04 12:40:12]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9725 times:



Quoting YYZALA (Reply 6):
I wonder if it is possible for AA to add DME from MIA. The ORD-DME route was dropped for '10 summer, so would MIA allow better loads?

Better loads, yes, better yield, no. MIA-MOW needs a Russian carrier.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
I brought this up in the Caribbean thread #9823, so there's absolutely no hope of it ever being answered, but is AA starting SJUVLC?

AA has applied for both MIA-VLN and SJU-VLN, but Venezuela is unlikely to approve either anytime soon. MIA-VLN has been approved by DOT and has been in limbo since 2006!

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
As for the new terminal, without a functioning train or walkway its a nightmare for non-marathon runners

What I don't understand is that the train is functioning. It's running, without passengers!



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User currently offlineOdysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9463 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
What I don't understand is that the train is functioning. It's running, without passengers!

Like the train at IAD. Supposed to open late 2009, but the web site the date will not be announced "until system testing is complete." Maybe that testing is taking longer than expected both IAD and MIA?

The last time I was in Dulles, it seemed the train was running w/o pax, but they were working on some escalators down to the station.

regards,

John


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9448 times:



Quoting Odysseus9001 (Reply 11):
Maybe that testing is taking longer than expected both IAD and MIA?

The trains have been running for about 12-16 months now. Maybe some certificate issues, or a problem with the train being programmed to only run between three stations, since the fourth station will not be ready until late 2010.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

IIRC, in that thread about AA flying FLL-MIA, someone mentioned that AA is in talks with DAB. With the economy starting to recover next year (supposedly), I suppose we can see Eagle on DAB-MIA.

Still waiting for B6 to announce JFK-DAB, which, if you remember, has been mentioned pending economic recovery.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9265 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 13):
IIRC, in that thread about AA flying FLL-MIA, someone mentioned that AA is in talks with DAB. With the economy starting to recover next year (supposedly), I suppose we can see Eagle on DAB-MIA.

AA is looking to expand intra-Florida, but when it comes to what central Florida coastal airport to choose, it will likely be DAB or MLB, and I bet AA goes to MLB.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9212 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
it will likely be DAB or MLB, and I bet AA goes to MLB.

How so? I am unsure of incentives on the table for MLB, but I do know that DAB gives pretty generous incentives to new (or in this case, returning) airlines.

Not to mention, DAB has been getting all the new service before MLB (with the exception of those start ups). DAB got US before MLB, they got UA at the time, MLB didn't. We also had FL and MLB didn't. Plus, I think DAB's tourism is stronger than the space coast.

However, you could very well be right, especially considering DL's huge blow up at MLB earlier in the decade with 3x daily JFK flights, 2x daily flights to DCA/IAD along with the CVG, ATL (maybe DFW prior to the closure of DL's Hub there, I can't remember, though I know DAB had weekend DFW service for a short time before Chp 11).



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 8):

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
As for the new terminal, without a functioning train or walkway its a nightmare for non-marathon runners

Tell me about it...I had a very long walk just the other day....

Yes. And I don't mind the walk for myself that much unless I'm running tight on time. But its unacceptable for a lot of passengers who can't walk far or fast.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The trains have been running for about 12-16 months now. Maybe some certificate issues, or a problem with the train being programmed to only run between three stations, since the fourth station will not be ready until late 2010.

The airport management is a circus show. But still, the airline could manage around that a lot better, like keeping some of the old counters open. Also, even if the D train would be working, they are still using the E gates which are half the airport away from their ticket counters.

And given the distances, the AA special assistance staff for disabled passengers at MIA is unacceptably hideous. The other day I traveled with an elderly relative on MIA-SJO, and given the long walk she requested a wheelchair when booking the ticket weeks before. When arriving at the AA ticket counter in front of the old terminal A they did not have any wheelchairs available, and was told she would have to wait 20-30 minutes because there were 12 other passengers waiting for one too. It wasn't even a busy travel day. The wait basically guaranteed she would miss the flight, so end result she had to take the long walk from the A counters to D50 in order to make the flight. Unreal. And not that it should make a difference, but on top of everything she was flying on a business class fare.

It isn't nearly the first time she has had problems with special assistance; more than half the time they never show up at the gate upon flight arrival at MIA, which rarely happens at most airports.

[Edited 2009-12-04 17:09:36]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9157 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):

How so? I am unsure of incentives on the table for MLB, but I do know that DAB gives pretty generous incentives to new (or in this case, returning) airlines.

MLB has more lucrative business travel - including a good amount of travel in the aerospace industry. MLB doesn't really need to present a lucrative incentive package - it is a high-fare airport that caters to high-yield traffic.

That's not to say both won't happen. AA finally realizes that it can compete with DL and US for domestic connections within Florida via MIA.



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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Going off on a tangent but what about JNB and CPT in South Africa?

Is AA just going to sit back and watch DL and UA take over the Continent? Miami is an excellent place to base flights to Southern Africa from.

If they launch flights in time they will be able to cash in on the World Soccer being held there next year.

If not that, then what about the forever talked about (on this website) flight to Milan?

Come on AA, time to start expanding Internationally!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9025 times:



Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 18):

If not that, then what about the forever talked about (on this website) flight to Milan?

Alitalia is re-launching Miami-Milan at the end of March. Too little, too late for AA. I hope we see BCN soon enough.



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User currently offlineCOERJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

Does anyone think there's a chance of service being restored to SRQ?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8978 times:



Quoting COERJ (Reply 20):
Does anyone think there's a chance of service being restored to SRQ?

Yes, but with ERJs.



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User currently offlineAERoc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Come on MIA-BUF/ROC/SYR! That would be huge to this area! Lots of pax travel from this region to points south of MIA.

Maybe I'm just dreaming but who knows maybe MQ could base a few CR7's there and we could get a daily........?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8588 times:

Quoting AERoc (Reply 22):
Maybe I'm just dreaming but who knows maybe MQ could base a few CR7's there and we could get a daily........?

They won't base CR7s in Miami, but then again there are zero ERJ-145s based in Miami, and iMIA is approaching three dozen daily ERJ flights.

CR7s are perfect for MIA-ROC/SYR/YOW/BUF/MKE/HPN, all of which are big enough markets to handle non-stops.

And, during Saturdays and Sundays, send some spare CR7 from reduced O'Hare schedules on MIA-MDT/ABE for cruise passengers.

Be curious to see if AA adds some Saturday/Sunday-only markets from MIA, because just about everywhere they fly to within an ERJ's reach could support SaSu service during cruise ship season at least.

[Edited 2009-12-04 19:24:30]


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User currently offlineAERoc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8517 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
They won't base CR7s in Miami, but then again there are zero ERJ-145s based in Miami, and iMIA is approaching three dozen daily ERJ flights.

Thats right.....I forgot that there is no jet base in MIA.

I couldn't even start to tell you the amount of pax that come to our ticket counter to check in for flights from JFK to MIA and from MIA to XXX. All these pax are starting their trips on B6 and then picking up AA in JFK. Having a MIA flight would be huge!


25 USAirALB : Or how bout ALB! I'd love to see them restore flights to MTH.
26 MAH4546 : ORD-ALB needs to return first. With more RJ capacity coming, though, I think AA will return to ALB and PVD in 2011 and add more smaller cities from O
27 Thomacf : I cant believe AA cant fill a mainline 737 once a day CLE - MIA - CLE. Especially from Sept - May on the early morning banks. CO mainline year round t
28 USAirALB : But you do think they will return? Thats good. It was weird how they restored MDT before ALB and PVD, but MDT doesnt have WN.
29 MAH4546 : They can fill it, they just don't fly it. I don't get why. It's a glaring whole in the network. Two daily ERJs to Norfolk, and nothing to CLE! Not to
30 Mke717spotter : Is the article discussing flights that already HAVE been added to MIA or flights that WILL be added in the future? Regardless, I think its time for AA
31 MAH4546 : I've been told as many as a dozen cities might be added in 2010, starting with already announced Birmingham and Pensacola. AA is at 276 departures no
32 Wedgetail737 : I'm holding out hope that AA will begin an early morning departure on the SEA-MIA route using either a 757 or 738.
33 S4popo : Doesn't AA currently codeshare with AS? That would probably cannibalize the AS flight.
34 TSRA : I wonder if AA will start expanding MIA to the Midwest, like MCI, OMA, OKC, etc. On an "outside the box" concept, how about tag ons like ICT-XNA-MIA w
35 Wedgetail737 : Not necessarily. AA codeshares or used to codeshare with AS on their SEA-ORD route. Besides the AS flight to MIA leaves around 1PM. I think AA would
36 MIASkies : AA Codeshares on the SEA-MIA route as well.
37 Sflaflight : Absolutely correct. Especally now that it has a modern state of the art terminal at MIA. I was just on AA 69 on Monday, and the flight was 4 hours la
38 Crosswinds21 : I think that JFK-DME is where AA needs to be. AA has excellent connections to JFK to capture traffic from pretty much all US cities with high Russian
39 MAH4546 : Cannibalizing implies that an AS 737 is all the market can handle. The market can easily support 2x daily service. Personally, I think rather than AA
40 Buddys747 : That would be sweet. WN shouldn't play a role, at least for MIA/FLL area. Or are you talking MDW? I'm sure it will return soon. MDT on the other hand
41 Beefstew25 : Regarding MIA-MLB: I know a person in the know, and AA and MLB are in heavy discussions for ATR service. We have the Embraer facility being built here
42 LAXdude1023 : Not without cruise contracts it wont.
43 MAH4546 : That's the only way AA would ever re-start it. But BA refusing to place their codeshare on the route the first try absolutely killed it. AA begged, a
44 Sflaflight : I wasn't aware of it being a ''refusal''. I know that it was never BA code shared, but I just assumed it had to do with trans Atlantic ATI it was see
45 MAH4546 : AA/BA codeshared on non-London flights. The BA* code was on AA's BOS/ORD-MAN and ORD-GLA; the AA* code was on JFK-MAN. But since there is no antitrus
46 Sflaflight : Ah, makes sense actually. I know airlines are in the business to make money, but I would have thought that BA ''for the sake of helping out a 1world
47 Doug : Does it mean anything that Airtran couldn't make MIA-MCI work playing the dumb role how could AA make it work?Btw it looks impressive to see all the A
48 MAH4546 : "Couldn't work" is all relative. Airtran flies dozens and dozens upon routes for one season only, and brings them back a few years later. You can't c
49 AJMIA : What about VRB? Eagle used to fly there and they would have the entire market to themselves. There has been a lot of growth in the region since AA pu
50 MAH4546 : If one of the local resorts wants to give AA a boatload of subsidies, they'll do it, but I can't see it otherwise. I expect MLB will start within a y
51 Sflaflight : Couldn't have said it better myself. I went back and looked at an old EA route map from 1972 (so we are talking regulation era when EA was primarily
52 MAH4546 : Birmingham gets service in April; MLB and GNV should be coming online in 2010 if everything works out.
53 Sflaflight : and technically MKE and PVD are really accessible through ORD and BOS respectively, so not bad on AAs part!
54 Sflaflight : BTW, I'm assuming with the CRJ orders it's a matter of time before we see SYR and/or BUF
55 MAH4546 : Eh, depends. Dallas and Chicago get priority for the CR7s. Also, if anything, I think HPN would come before either.
56 Sflaflight : Wow, I never even thought of HPN. But they would have to open an entire new station, though if they can get premium price, which I think they would,
57 MAH4546 : AA flies ORD-HPN multiple times daily. HPN doesn't have slots, just passenger-per-hour restrictions.
58 CGKings317 : When the economy picks up, does anyone see a PDX-MIA service at least seasonally or are the numbers not there. Can someone provide the link to the web
59 Sflaflight : duh! I didn't see it on the timetable, but AA calls it Westchester! Guess I didn't see it. Thanks Mark!
60 MAH4546 : Miami-Portland is around 240 daily. Whether or not AA can pull it off will entirely depend on how much Caribbean/intra-Florida feed they feel can pul
61 PVD757 : For some people in the region (or going to the region), yes, but there is still a very large group of people outside the immediate BOS area that woul
62 BigGSFO : I would love this too but yeah, the numbers are thin. The aircraft would have to be a 738, seasonally at first probably, with some decent contracts (
63 PC12Fan : Signed, STL
64 SJOtoLIR : From the above press release: "American has trimmed back operations at Ft. Lauderdale - Hollywood International Airport over the past year. What is th
65 1337Delta764 : I wonder, could AA start a daily MIA-ABQ flight? MIA could provide some unique connection opportunities for travelers flying out of ABQ. This cannot b
66 LAXdude1023 : That would depend on how many people transfer to Carribean Destinations and South American stations DFW does serve like BOG or LIM. ABQ has European
67 Tonytifao : This would be great! I think MLB-MIA service would do well. I traveled out of Melbourne on a weekly basis for 2 straight years and it had lots of bus
68 OP3000 : They're basically saying that don't get much feed for FLL, whereas they pull a ton of it for any flight from MIA. That's the case for SJO, which reli
69 MAH4546 : They don't have to compete. Spirit is a sinking ship. If Spirit was a real threat, and if it becomes a threat again in the future, AA will be right b
70 OP3000 : It is big which is why FLL does fine on a 737, but shifting capacity to MIA-SJO nets you more revenues b/c of connections.
71 CrAAzy : Boooo ... hissss ..... We're trying to get AA to change that line of thinking here in MKE
72 SJOtoLIR : AA MIA-SJO is currently [14x weekly with 757] and [7x weekly with 763]. Rumor has it that B6 FLL-SJO might enter once AA FLL-SJO will be suspended ne
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