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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5633 times:

Just announced today, SNA-OGG 4x weekly on 73G as well as the new SNA-HNL upgraded to daily. Both will start 07Mar10.

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Continental Airlines Announces New Flights Between Orange County and Maui
Service between Orange County and Honolulu will increase to daily

HOUSTON, Dec. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced new service between Orange County and Maui to begin March 7, 2010. In addition, the company increased to daily previously announced service between Orange County and Honolulu, also starting March 7, 2010.

"We continue to see solid demand for travel to Hawaii," said Jim Compton, Continental's executive vice president of marketing. "We are operating the new flights with the right-sized aircraft for the market and are confident this new service will be a success."

The new Orange County-Maui flight will operate four times weekly, departing John Wayne Airport (SNA) at 5:20 p.m. and arriving at Maui's Kahului Airport (OGG) at 8:05 p.m. The return flight will depart Maui at 11:10 p.m. and arrive at Orange County at 7:45 a.m. the next day, except on Saturdays when it will depart 40 minutes later. Continental will utilize a Boeing 737-700 on the new route with 124 seats, and plans to increase the service to daily during the summer.

In addition, Continental will increase from four times weekly to daily previously announced service between John Wayne Airport and the Honolulu International Airport (HNL). The new flight will depart Orange County daily at 9 a.m. and arrive at Honolulu at 11:45 a.m., returning from Honolulu at 1 p.m. and arriving at 9:35 p.m. Continental will operate the new route with a 124-seat Boeing 737-700.

The new Orange County-Hawaii flights complement Continental's previously announced service between Los Angeles and Maui and a second daily flight between Los Angeles and Honolulu, beginning March 7, 2010.

Continental serves more destinations in the Pacific than any other U.S. carrier. The carrier operates daily flights to Hawaii from Los Angeles, New York, Houston and Guam, and three-times-weekly flights between Hawaii and the Marshall Islands and Federated States of Micronesia. Beginning Dec. 18, 2009, Continental will also operate twice-weekly service between Honolulu and Nadi, Fiji and between Guam and Nadi, Fiji.

Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 2,400 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 130 domestic and 132 international destinations. Continental is a member of Star Alliance, which provides access to more than 900 additional points in 169 countries via 24 other member airlines. With more than 41,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with its regional partners, carries approximately 63 million passengers per year.

Celebrating its 75th anniversary this year, Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture. For the sixth consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 World's Most Admired Airline on its 2009 list of World's Most Admired Companies. For more company information, go to continental.com.

SOURCE Continental Airlines

Corporate Communications of Continental Airlines, +1-713-324-5080, corpcomm@coair.com


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5779&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1362162

[Edited 2009-12-05 05:09:49 by srbmod]


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User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4026 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5527 times:
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dissapointing they retimed he SNA-HNL flight to be only local traffic


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5444 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
dissapointing they retimed he SNA-HNL flight to be only local traffic

I would have thought they would have timed it as a stop enroute from EWR or IAH. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the continuing flight number and same aircraft as one stop service from a hub?

Nonetheless, good news from CO!


User currently offlinePI731 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5412 times:

It wouldn’t surprise me if Continental within a year or two is covering Aloha’s old route network.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5347 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Thread starter):

Interesting. Didn't they just announce LAXOGG not too long ago? I'd think this would cannibalize CO's LAX flight, since SNA is still in the LA metro area. Sorry for the earlier confusion.



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5287 times:



Quoting PI731 (Reply 3):
It wouldn’t surprise me if Continental within a year or two is covering Aloha’s old route network.

Sure looks like a good possibility, doesn't it?

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
dissapointing they retimed he SNA-HNL flight to be only local traffic

You were maybe expecting CO to turn John Wayne into a major Hawaii-mainland connecting point? IMO, CO gave Orange County the prime time r/t to HNL while travelers now have the option of connecting thru OGG if they want a red-eye return to the mainland. It looks like a beautiful schedule to me.

I don't know SNA sked's well enough but perhaps the Maui flight is making use of a SNA RON a/c? That would make a lot of sense and not cost CO an additional airplane for the long r/t to the Islands.

This move by CO also further discourages AS from thinking of SNA as a new jump-off point to Hawaii. (And maybe increases SAN's chances of scoring new AS-Hawaii service!  Wink )

I wonder if they are using new slots (that I believe are floating around unclaimed in the John Wayne pool) or "adjusting" other flights in and out of SNA?

From 80 miles down the 5 (in SAN), I continue to watch CO's -- and others' -- moves to Hawaii with increased (self-) interest...

bb


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5262 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
dissapointing they retimed he SNA-HNL flight to be only local traffic

Probably done to better allow for connections to other islands. The previous arrival at ~8pm was too late to accommodate these pax, and redeye flights are often undesirable for vacationers, given hotel checkout times and other schedules. The flight does allow for connections (albeit lengthy) to GUM and NAN as well.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
Interesting. Didn't they just announce LAXOGG not too long ago? I'd think this would cannibalize CO's LAX flight, since SNA is still in the LA metro area. Sorry for the earlier confusion.

Doubt it. The press release stated that they have seen strong demand for service to Hawaii, so I would imagine that this route complements, rather than cannibalizes, LAX-OGG. LAX and SNA serve two fairly distinct markets.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5210 times:



Quoting CODC10 (Reply 6):
Doubt it. The press release stated that they have seen strong demand for service to Hawaii, so I would imagine that this route complements, rather than cannibalizes, LAX-OGG. LAX and SNA serve two fairly distinct markets.

CO must have seen quite a bit of interest from an advanced booking perspective on SNA-HNL to increase to daily, and add OGG.

And SNA is a fairly unique market in SoCal, with higher than average fares and no competitive service to the islands. The county has over 3 million people, many with above average incomes, and most people would rather fly out of SNA than LAX given the traffic between the two airports.

And LAX has a seemingly insatiable demand for Hawaii flights, so I don't think this will hurt LAX-HNL/OGG at all.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2698 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5171 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
dissapointing they retimed he SNA-HNL flight to be only local traffic

You were maybe expecting CO to turn John Wayne into a major Hawaii-mainland connecting point? IMO, CO gave Orange County the prime time r/t to HNL while travelers now have the option of connecting thru OGG if they want a red-eye return to the mainland. It looks like a beautiful schedule to me.

The retiming of SNA-HNL allows connects to GUM and allows better interisland connections to/from SNA. People returning from GUM would have to go to LAX. This dedicates an aircraft to the market with the SNA-HNL timings. With both of the SNA markets being a monopoly (at least for now), I'd like to see CO add an afternoon SAN-OGG-SAN rt with a free SAN RON aircraft. Would this bring HA back into the market, which they have operated, if no just seasonally?


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7317 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5142 times:
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I think this will do a lot better than DL, SAN-HNL.  twocents 

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5119 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 8):
I'd like to see CO add an afternoon SAN-OGG-SAN rt with a free SAN RON aircraft. Would this bring HA back into the market, which they have operated, if no just seasonally?

Hey, no argument on your wish from here, CAL'! As I said earlier, I'm paying real close attention to what CO is doing these days from So Cal to the Islands, and I have all my fingers, toes and eyes crossed -- which btw makes typing very difficult! -- that their interest will now focus down the coast of California to the south a bit further.

Keeping in mind that DL just announced SAN-HNL and I still feel that AS is on the verge of adding some SAN-Hawaii flying while HA continues to be very complacent at Lindbergh, if I were CO, and considering adding anything westbound from SAN, I would make a move right about now...  stirthepot 

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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5036 times:



Quoting Travelin man (Reply 7):
And SNA is a fairly unique market in SoCal, with higher than average fares and no competitive service to the islands. The county has over 3 million people, many with above average incomes, and most people would rather fly out of SNA than LAX given the traffic between the two airports.

Also unique are the constraints of operating out of SNA. For some time, the preferred aircraft at SNA has been the 757, which can operate from the 5700ft runway without a hitch to most of the country. However, for SNA-Hawaii, the 757 is impractical because required ETOPS fuel reserves definitely make the airplane heavier than a typical overland routing.

The 737-700 is probably the ideal aircraft for the route, since it can make it to Hawaii with a profitable load off SNA's short strip, within noise requirements. The problem is, not many US carriers operate the 73G. Lets see:

AS: 73G ETOPS-rated, so unavailable. 738 does not have SFP, so likely cannot operate without severe weight penalty
WN: Not ETOPS, nor are they interested in Hawaii at this time
DL: Small fleet of 73G, most operating ATL-Latin America and elsewhere
FL: Outside of business model at present
AQ: Defunct, but flew SNA-Hawaii
CO: Plenty of 73Gs (trying to replace them with 737-800/900 where possible, but not removing from service), ETOPS-rated, Ideal candidate.

I'd love to see further California-Hawaii flights from CO in the future. If CO can make this niche work, I would certainly expect it. By Spring 2010, CO will have 8 daily nonstops from Hawaii to the mainland, which is more than they've had in at least 15 years.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

UA and HA do not have any planes that can do SNA-HNL, and now CO is in Star it should be a good niche for CO..as far as SAN-HNL HA seems to have that one covered..

Did AQ operate BUR-HNL ???? That would be a cool run...


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4881 times:



Quoting Cospn (Reply 12):
Did AQ operate BUR-HNL ???? That would be a cool run...

AQ did serve BUR, but it was cut long before the airline went under. BUR only seems to be able to support regional flights and also New York (major television industry link). CO doesn't even serve BUR, the only airline that would conceivably restore that airport's link to Hawaii would be AS - but I imagine they would probably fly to Hawaii from SAN or even ONT before considering BUR.



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

I think CO is doing a very smart thing here by getting a firm foothold in the currently empty SNA-Hawaii market. As has been said by several posters already, Orange County is a separate and large (and healthy) area with its own airport and needs, and an obviously healthy market to the Islands (as shown by AQ.) It was just a matter of time before someone jumped into the market -- IMO, AS would be the other prime contender -- and CO has the perfect a/c for the airport.

The fact that CO is already expanding frequencies and the number of routes before the first flight departs just confirms that it is a very smart route decision in a very ripe market.

It will be very interesting to see if anyone else thinks SNA can support another carrier to Hawaii.

Regarding other So Cal airports, both BUR and ONT have seen attempts at HNL-service that have failed; I would be surprised to see AS (or CO or anyone else) try either of them (or LGB) but we'll have to wait and see.

As for SAN, I would not be at all surprised to see at least one more carrier join HA and DL in flying to the State of Hawaii -- most likely to the outer islands -- and either AS or CO would be very welcomed (and supported) by San Diegans.

bb


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4696 times:



Quoting Cospn (Reply 12):
UA and HA do not have any planes that can do SNA-HNL, and now CO is in Star it should be a good niche for CO

I would think that UA's 757s could make a SNA-Hawaii run. After all, they fly the 757 from SNA to IAD nonstop.


User currently offlineMDW22l31c From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Are the HNL flight pilots and 737-700 based at HNL?

User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4644 times:



Quoting MDW22l31c (Reply 16):
Are the HNL flight pilots and 737-700 based at HNL?

There is no base at HNL. Right now 737 Hawaii flying is done by CLE crews.


User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 907 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4554 times:



Quoting DualQual (Reply 17):
Right now 737 Hawaii flying is done by CLE crews.

Well, CLE pilots, with IAH flight attendants.


User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4026 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4440 times:
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 8):
The retiming of SNA-HNL allows connects to GUM and allows better interisland connections to/from SNA. People returning from GUM would have to go to LAX.

don't know of that much traffic b/t SNA/GUM............if there are Guamanians traveling from GUM to the US, its going to be either LA area or over to IAH.......probably not to many Guamanians in the Codo area!!



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1550 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4359 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 15):
After all, they fly the 757 from SNA to IAD nonstop.

No they don't.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

At this pace, SNA will have more mainline than CLE within a year or so. Only being partially sarcastic there.

User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):


At this pace, SNA will have more mainline than CLE within a year or so. Only being partially sarcastic there.

Ha! No kidding!



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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Any guesses where the slot came from?

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Wouldn't a trans-Pacific 752 flight out of SNA be weight-restricted? I thought AQ's 73W service out of SNA was ... I was told that the 73Ws were limited 90-95% max capacity.

When I flew AQ into & out of SNA in Oct '04, it was 100% full into SNA, and about 95% full going back to HNL. Was told that AQ never flew 100% full out of SNA. MIght be the same for CO's new SNA-OGG & SNA-HNL.

The only airlines I saw using 752s at SNA were DL and UA. CO, HP (now US), & AS used 737s, AA used MD80s & 738s, NW used A319s.



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25 LACA773 : The OC has there own thing going on. It's great they'll have Hawaii service return to their slot restricted airport.
26 Travelin man : Currently AA and UA use 757s out of SNA. UA flies it to DEN and ORD, and AA flies a couple of times per day to ORD with that equipment. But in the pa
27 United_Fan : Yes,but can CO make enough $ on a SNA-Hawaii flight with a 73G ? Or are the yields out of SNA that good ?
28 Bluewave 707 : When AQ had SNA service, it was one of their profitable routes with capacities ranging between 80-90%. If CO markets it right, they'll make $$$ on thi
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