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DAL/NWA Single Certificate Date  
User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10577 times:

DLs Single Operating Certificate is planned for 31DEC09.

Also, ALL DC93 and DC94 aircraft will be retired by Oct 2010.


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10541 times:

Way to kick off the new year!

I assume once the SOC is issued, all NW flights will be known only as DL flights effective December 31, 2009 or January 1, 2010?



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10473 times:

So that means New Year's Eve will be bitter sweet as it will officially mark the end of NW.


Tailwinds!!!
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10420 times:

So what happens to nwa.com on Jan 1?

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 2):
So that means New Year's Eve will be bitter sweet as it will officially mark the end of NW.

I totally agree, really hate to see NW go.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10333 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 3):
So what happens to nwa.com on Jan 1?

It probably will redirect you to delta.com, the same way it directs you to the DL press release section of Delta's website when you click on the NWA press releases.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10313 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
It probably will redirect you to delta.com, the same way it directs you to the DL press release section of Delta's website when you click on the NWA press releases.

SOC and the website are two very different things.

As of 12/31 (if this is correct), all flights will be operated by Delta. However, the reservations cutover will not have happened yet, so there will still be a separate nwa.com and delta.com, with one getting 012 stock if booked through NW, 006 if booked through Delta. It'll be the same as it is today, just that all flights will say "Operated by Delta Air Lines".

One website should be in January/February with the reservations cutover. Already parts of the website are using the same platform - all FF information is running off of the NW platform for both Delta.com and nwa.com - hence why on DL's site you now need to enter your last name, the mileage transactions page looks a lot messier due to how it was built for NW (it looks fine on NW's site) and using NW mile numbers for credit instead of Delta (generally a downer since many routes somehow became 1-2 miles shorter).


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

Does anyone know if I will have to re-swipe my passport at self check-in after PARS is eliminated? Could that info be exported to Deltamatic before PARS is shut off?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10253 times:

Last day of 747 freighter operations is planned to occur on December 26th.

NWA906 PVG-ANC-LAX
and
NWA908 NRT-KIX-ANC-ORD



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10164 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
As of 12/31 (if this is correct), all flights will be operated by Delta. However, the reservations cutover will not have happened yet, so there will still be a separate nwa.com and delta.com, with one getting 012 stock if booked through NW, 006 if booked through Delta. It'll be the same as it is today, just that all flights will say "Operated by Delta Air Lines".

This is correct from what I've read. PARS isn't going away until the night of 31Jan10 according to IT's timeline.

Let's hope for a much smother cutover than HP/US.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

So will NWA flight numbers cease to exist and all become DL flight numbers after the SOC? Or will we still have NWA flight numbers but they will read "Operated By Delta Airlines"?

With the SOC, the former NWA planes repainted into DL colors will also lose their little "Operated By Northwest Airlines" sticker as well I suppose.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10101 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):
Operated By Delta Airlines

Air Lines. two words.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):
With the SOC, the former NWA planes repainted into DL colors will also lose their little "Operated By Northwest Airlines" sticker as well I suppose.

I assume so, good question. Haven't even thought about that. Also all the planes not in DL paint will have to get some kind of sticker also.



yep.
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10):
Air Lines. two words.

They've had it as one or two words depending on the paint scheme I believe. Other carriers have it as one word. "Airlines" is grammatically correct.

And I never thought about the planes still in NWA colors. They will have to get a sticker like that. Until they are painted, I assume they will have a small sticker similar to the Regional Jets saying "By Delta" like the regional fleet says "By ASA" or "By Comair"

[Edited 2009-12-04 16:43:06]


In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Right now Northwest aircraft in Delta paint have to use the “Northwest XXX in Delta Colors.”

Starting 1/1/10, will aircraft in Northwest paint use “Delta XXX in Northwest colors”?


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10027 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 11):
They've had it as one or two words depending on the paint scheme I believe. Other carriers have it as one word. "Airlines" is grammatically correct.

I have never seen a Delta Air Lines aircraft without the "air" and "lines" being separated, if they fully write it out. I have seen DL planes with just "Delta" titles on them, but the full name is Delta Air Lines, not Airlines.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9994 times:

They are the only carrier that does it like that though. All the others have it as one word (American Airlines, Continental Airlines, Northwest Airlines).


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10000 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10):

I assume so, good question. Haven't even thought about that. Also all the planes not in DL paint will have to get some kind of sticker also.

Yes - as of SOC, all the NW planes in the Delta livery will have to dump the sticker that says "Operated by Northwest Airlines". Shouldn't be that hard to do as it's not painted onto the aircraft. All the planes still in the redtail livery will have to have something saying "Operated by Delta" on it.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 11):
They've had it as one or two words depending on the paint scheme I believe.

Every DL historical livery has either been "Delta Air Service", "Delta Air Lines" or just "Delta". Never "Delta Airlines". This site shows every historical DL livery: http://deltamuseum.org/M_Education_DeltaHistory_Livery.htm

The legal corporate name for decades has been Delta Air Lines as well.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9992 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 11):
They've had it as one or two words depending on the paint scheme I believe. Other carriers have it as one word.

Nope. It became Air Lines in 1945.
Official corporate name becomes Delta Air Lines, Inc. National Safety Council Award for over 300 million passenger miles and 10 years of flight without a passenger or crew fatality. C. E. Woolman is President and General Manger. Delta is the first airline to fly living vegetable plants (160,000 tomato plants).

http://www.delta.com/about_delta/cor...ts/delta_through_decades/index.jsp



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
I have never seen a Delta Air Lines aircraft without the "air" and "lines" being separated,

I am aware of two liveries which contained the word(s) Air Lines.

In the first, they were clearly separated:


View Large View Medium
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Photo © John Heggblom



In the second, the 1997 scheme, the words were not separated but Lines was capitalized... DeltaAirLines.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © AlainDurand



Edit: per a link posted while I was posting, there was evidently a third early scheme (seen on the DC-3) that separated Air and Lines, similar to the pic of the Convair I posted.

[Edited 2009-12-04 17:02:11]


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9975 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
They are the only carrier that does it like that though. All the others have it as one word (American Airlines, Continental Airlines, Northwest Airlines).

United's legal name is United Air Lines, Inc. They choose to brand/market themselves as United Airlines, but if you look on the legalese, it is formally referred to as United Air Lines.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9938 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
They are the only carrier that does it like that though. All the others have it as one word (American Airlines, Continental Airlines, Northwest Airlines).

As said UAL is also Air Lines. It is kinda funny that they did it that way......maybe they wanted it to stick out?(Or C.E.W. new that there would be an airliners.net and it would give us something to talk about on a slow news day)



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9922 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
In the second, the 1997 scheme, the words were not separated but Lines was capitalized... DeltaAirLines.

Actually, they were separated. I worked many an MD-88 with that paint scheme and it said, "Delta Air Lines" on it.



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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9725 times:

I was looking at Delta's website and saw something I hadn't heard about before. NW's WorldAgent Direct will be the go-forward website for travel agencies that book directly with the airline. Delta's OASC (Online Agency Service Center) will shut down in the middle of this month.

User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9688 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
In the second, the 1997 scheme, the words were not separated but Lines was capitalized... DeltaAirLines.

There is something wrong with your eyes. The "Air" and "Lines" is clearly separated. If you do not think "Air" and "Lines" is separated in that livery then I assume you think "Delta" and "Air" are not separated either, because they have the same spacing - and it isn't by coincidence.


User currently offlineDrfix2fly From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9609 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 11):
. Other carriers have it as one word. "Airlines" is grammatically correct.

just because everone does it does not make it grammatically correct, that makes it slang, The seperate words Air and Lines have its roots in other forms of Shiping, "Rail lines" "ocean lines" "freight lines" "Princess Lines" ect


User currently offlineRoyalService From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9594 times:

Concerning the Air Lines. It does beg the question. Is Delta the last to use this format?

25 Post contains links and images ScottB : If past history with Song is a guide, the former NWA aircraft will have a decal stating "Operated by Delta Air Lines, Inc." Actually, Eastern was als
26 C767P : So did Western, for a while at least.
27 Viscount724 : If not the last, they are among the very few. The two-word format was more common years ago. Before AC changed to their current name in 1964, they we
28 NWADC9 : Korean Air is the same way, "Korean Air Lines", only they go by "Korean Air" for marketing purposes.
29 Cubsrule : In the 1997 scheme, Delta, Air, and Lines are all separated (or not) by the same amount (that's why I wrote it like I did). The space between the thr
30 Flyblue777 : Does anyone wanna give a "life expectancy" for CVG??? My estimate: 6-12 months.
31 CodyKDiamond : Good evening everyone, Does anyone know what will be the last NW flight (domestic and international)? Thank you
32 Post contains images SNCntry32 : Bitter bitter bitter sweet day quickly approaching... So long Northwest. Many great memories growing up and many great dreams gone but here is to the
33 BHMDiversion : The date of Res cutover will be 31JAN09. Passport information that was saved with NWA will need to be resaved into DLTerm. After that night, PARS, Wor
34 FL787 : That soon huh?
35 Aeroflot777 : That made my day. Assuming 31JAN10? Aeroflot777
36 LAXtoATL : In the second, the 1997 scheme, the words were not separated but Lines was capitalized... DeltaAirLines.[/quote] Why can't you just admit you were wro
37 Post contains links KaiGywer : As much as I like the new Delta, I will miss Northwest. A great video created by one of our fellow a.net members http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIxVq1
38 MSPNWA : Will be a sad day. I will miss seeing "NWA" on Flight Aware. Will be another sad day. Hopefully I'll get another ride on one before they're gone.
39 Tiger119 : - Nicely done. Were most of those photos taken at MEM? David
40 N801NW : Do you know how PNR's based in PARS for future travel will be migrated to DL? edited quoted post for year correction.
41 Dazed767 : You know, the 10 or so years I've been on this forum, I'm shocked there hasn't been more talk about this (considering the once a week 'when will NW r
42 Motech722 : LAXtoATL, I am confused. If Delta Air Lines separates the Air and the Lines, then why is it that on the Widget and Deltaflot schemes that Delta did no
43 CokePopper : ummm they're still keeping the DC9-50's.
44 Transpac787 : Internationally will most likely be one of the evening departures to AMS. Domestically, HNL-MSP will probably be the last flight to have a NW callsig
45 Simairlinenet : Actually, probably one of the HNL-West Coast flights, as those arrive two hours after HNL-MSP.
46 DeltAirlines : Last NW departure should be the 1155p HNL-SFO on the 757-300, arriving at 715a.
47 Cubsrule : I don't know whether I was wrong - I haven't seen one of those planes in the flesh in five years and it's difficult to tell on the photos. I think it
48 Post contains links Nwaramper : I have 3 years of service with nwa she will be missed. Here is a great video enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f7zYNePqAM
49 SESGDL : They were separate words, not run together like you suggest. A simple look at Delta's official blog on their history section, titled "We Love to Fly:
50 N776AU : Isn't "United Air Lines" written on one of their hangers in SFO? I seem to remember seeing that from a BART train when I was out there.
51 DurangoMac : On the night of the 31JAN10 they will export all the remaining data from PARS to DLTerm and then shutdown PARS. There are hundreds of steps to do it.
52 Cubsrule : Now I'm curious - the 733 I posted is how I remember that scheme, but is it not representative? Clearly, the words in that picture are MUCH closer to
53 KaiGywer : MSP
54 N839MH : Alaska and Hawaii will be cut over to all Deltamatic Jan 30th
55 FlyCaledonian : JAL was founded as Japan Air Lines Co. on 1 August 1951. So have all the NW flight numbers changed yet, so that when the SOC comes into effect the cha
56 DeltAirlines : All the mainline flight numbers have changed now so that they won't clash. International flights are in the 200-300 range, DC-9 domestic flights are
57 PSU.DTW.SCE : On January 1, a few key things will happen. Most of these impact operations, and do not impact the migration of the website or reservations. - Sticker
58 Viscount724 : I've never considered the DC-9 to be as closely linked to NW history as, for exmple, the 737 and 727 were linked to UA. That's because NW never opera
59 Post contains links N312RC : I always thought AOP was extremely easy to use.. Shame that's going away... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTftPVbH-Q Another great video... The sun
60 Transpac787 : Another casualty of NW heritage (and often superior way of doing things)
61 Isitsafenow : I have in front of me a 1963 United Air Lines schedule..... safe
62 Dispatchguy : Actually, since this past spring they have been comparing both carriers way to operate, and taking the best practice, regardless of which airline who
63 Cubsrule : At least on the passenger side, several NW best practices have been discontinued. It's great that they're doing that behind the scenes, but it would
64 DeltAirlines : Such as? I hear a lot of talk on how the NW passenger side was so much better, but as someone that has taken 50+ flights on both airlines annually th
65 Cubsrule : Two examples that immediately spring to mind are the passenger-side IT infrastructure, which was to be all-NW until DL decided that it would be too d
66 CokePopper : Won't they have to take into account cost as well? FWIU the intention was to switch over to the NW IT however the cost were prohibitive at this point
67 Cubsrule : Good question - at the time of the merger, they said they were going to take the "best" of both companies, not the cheapest (or the most cost-effecti
68 Bruce : Not exactly true, as some of the 30s have already been painted as Delta, right? Bruce
69 CokePopper : I guess I am insane then huh? The footrest on a few of our 757's (ex ATA) are useless. So you have no problem with Delta offering an inconsistent pro
70 Cubsrule : I want a consistent product that combines the best of Delta and Northwest. Allegedly, that was what Delta wanted too.
71 NWADC9 : Wrong, only the -50s, and all of those are in widgets; the -30s and -40s proudly bear the red tail.
72 CBPhoto : Well..now that we know the DC-9-30/40 retirements, does anyone know when the 5500 series 757s will be phased out? Again, these will be the last remnan
73 DeltAirlines : The 5500 series phaseout is being reconsidered, and some, if not all, of these are being considered to stick around for a while longer now.
74 CBPhoto : That is interesting to hear, thanks for the update! I know they have parked a few (I think) already, any word if they might brought back into service
75 Jetlanta : Cubs, it is more than cost that is at stake. Much of Delta's entire IT infrastructure, most importantly the Delta Nervous System that provides the ba
76 Cubsrule : I completely understand the decision not to switch to PARS - and no customer cares whether they are running PARS, Deltamatic, or something completely
77 Jetlanta : But much of those customer-facing things were "built into" NW's version of PARS. Even the skin is "connected" to the CRS backbone. That stuff has to
78 Cubsrule : Right - because NW developed them. But few of them used much technology that was PARS-specific, so it's just a matter of building them into Deltamati
79 Jetlanta : The truth is that, until the merger was complete, there wasn't a chance to get "under the hood" and look at all of these things in finite detail. Det
80 Jetlanta : And who are you kidding? Of course you'd be complaining. It would just be about something else. Seriously, this the the largest airline merger in his
81 Cubsrule : Agreed - and I concede that it's a fine line (and also that part about the best laid plans). I just feel like there wasn't a whole lot of honesty abo
82 Transpac787 : Very few NW procedures have carried over. And the DL system can hardly be called best practice. A great example is the memo sent to all Pacific crew
83 Cubsrule : Absolutely - my problem isn't with what they have done, which has been much better than other mergers. My problem is with the disconnect between rhet
84 Chrisair : Yes. It's on the building at McDonell Road.
85 CV880 : Never could understand that one....we never took paperwork delays working HA flights in SFO, but if the printer jammed while pulling up the final wei
86 Jetlanta : But it HAS been different, from the pro-active pilot contract to the virtually painless customer service transition. The few problems have been isola
87 Cubsrule : I lived in Charlotte during HP-US. I remember. That's why I have said here and elsewhere (and will say again in case I have not been explicit enough)
88 WorldTraveler : agreed.... up until the merger was approved - or close enough that the DOJ would start granting permission - DL and NW were still competitors and alo
89 Bhmdiversion : I was in PHL the day that US/HP went into the beginnings of their "merger" if you can call it that. Parker was ear to ear in smiles. Probably the last
90 Cubsrule : Fine, make it a 9. Same difference. It was an arbitrary scale to begin with. As usual, you are obscuring the point. Yes - and this is an excellent ex
91 Cmk10 : Time is running out for me to grab a D94. I had one scheduled over Thanksgiving but it got swtiched to a D95 at the last minute!
92 Transpac787 : To be fair, DC9-40's are never "scheduled" on any route. They are used completely for flex capacity, either to upgrade a full DC9-30 flight or to dow
93 SalMonela : Pretty sure that the only other 'major' airline still breaks up Air Lines is the spawn of the now defunct Swissair, which now fly as Swiss Internatio
94 Post contains links and images Cubsrule : LO is curious... In English, it's Airlines View Large View MediumPhoto © Radu Dobrescu - RoSpotters But, if my Polish is not failing me, in Poli
95 PSU.DTW.SCE : Very true. Getting SOC enables a lot of merger synergies to start to occur, enables a lot more operational flexibility, and is a dependency for many
96 Cubsrule : The only major issue has been the lack of a way to manage inventory between the carriers until they move everything onto one platform, making for som
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