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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13429 times:

New Zealand Aviation Thread #67 (by 777ER Nov 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)
Welcome to the 69th post, please carry forward the discussion here.


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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13264 times:

- NZs new A320 fleet with shark style winglets
- PacBlue's growth over the last year
- Mike Pero's plans for an Antartica flight
- NZs Tasman operations
- NZs possible new North American destinations once the B789s arrive
- Connections to North American domestic flights



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

Thanks for starting a new thread Jayeshrulz - good to see plenty of interest in the NZ aviation scene outside of the Shaky Isles!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 221):
Will the new A320s arrive with RNP certificates thou? Wouldn't it make better sense to have the first four new A320s go directly to International and do a one on one swap with the four current A320s to enable RNP operations to ZQN with A320s

I believe you will find (and as always I stand to be corrected on this given I don't work first hand with it) that being able to perform an RNP approach is a little more complex than just having a suitably equipped aircraft - it takes time to demonstrate in service that the aircraft (and I believe it is in fact the specific airframe-engine combination though don't quote me on that) is capable of meeting the required navigation performance (hence the name of the approach...)

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 220):
And why is the 5th the first with the sharklets? It sounds a bit strange unless they wanted to make the difference between international and domestic A320s clear.

I think you'll find it is because Airbus are unable to offer the "sharklets" until 2012, but Air New Zealand's first production slots from this order are in 2011. Presumably this is to do with the dates of the 737-300s coming off lease. Also, if the airline intends to keep the current fleet mix where there are a greater number of narrowbodies on the domestic market than the short haul international market, then more than just the current fleet of A320s are required for the domestic market.

V/F



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13210 times:
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Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 2):
if the airline intends to keep the current fleet mix where there are a greater number of narrowbodies on the domestic market than the short haul international market, then more than just the current fleet of A320s are required for the domestic market.

With the current A320 fleet numbers, NZ are going to be short of A320s on International services as its clearly not a one for one replacement - are we going to see another A320 order shortly to fill the gap, or reduced flying?


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13184 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
are we going to see another A320 order shortly to fill the gap, or reduced flying?

Or perhaps some A321s? The domestic birds can be used for international flying as well. Rather than having them sitting on the tarmac for the night, maybe it is better to send them to the Pacific?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13142 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 4):

Yes the domestic A320s could be put on international if required, but only problem would be, no J seats avialable, but then again the only possible routes for night flying is to the Islands - but not many people like arriving at their destination 'after hours'


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13133 times:
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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13050 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Yes the domestic A320s could be put on international if required, but only problem would be, no J seats avialable, but then again the only possible routes for night flying is to the Islands - but not many people like arriving at their destination 'after hours'

Would they need J seats to OOL? Except for one well known person there would not be many people using J seats to that port.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13000 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 7):

OOL certainly doesn't need J seats. Having night flights to OOL IMHO really wouldn't work as the arrival time in OOL. OOL has a curfew between 11pm - 6am. Even if NZ can time a flight to depart before 11pm then the flight would arrive around 3 - 4am here.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12938 times:

Just noticed today that the Qantas Club lounges in AKL and CHC domestic terminals have been ripped out; they were in operation last week when I went to Queenstown but now there's just a sign outside the door reading: "The Qantas Club is now closed; Thank you for your loyalty over the past years; We apologise for any inconvenience"

Anyone know what will replace them? JQ or DJ lounge or will they take it out completely to expand the departures area?



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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12916 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Anyone know what will replace them? JQ or DJ lounge or will they take it out completely to expand the departures area?

Expanded departure areas I would imagine. With DJ and JQ operating 180 seat aircraft now the departure lounges in AKL and CHC are a bit tight, especially when there are 3 or more flights departing together.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12897 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):

I thought JQ was going to operate the lounges on behalf of QF?

WLGs QF domestic lounge won't be of any use for expanded passenger space as its above the food court in the main terminal. Wonder if DJ or JQ will take over that lounge?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12813 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
I thought JQ was going to operate the lounges on behalf of QF?

They probably did until this week.. Maybe someone will make a one off lounge in WLG like JQ has in OOL.. But the decision to close it probably follows the fact that there's not much point in holding QF Club membership unless you're flying to Aussie all the time and the OneWorld ruby and emerald status passengers may have either gone off JQ or there just aren't many of them who fly domestically.



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12781 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 2):
Thanks for starting a new thread Jayeshrulz - good to see plenty of interest in the NZ aviation scene outside of the Shaky Isles!

Thanks VF, i actually love NZ!

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 2):
And why is the 5th the first with the sharklets? It sounds a bit strange unless they wanted to make the difference between international and domestic A320s clear.

The deliveries of the "fresh batch of A320's will start from 2Q 2011.So the newer ones will be having sharklets.
My question is can the existing models be fitted with them?
I recollect someone saying they cant?

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 7):
Would they need J seats to OOL? Except for one well known person there would not be many people using J seats to that port.

There is hardly a J demand in this route.As it is a night flight and IIRC, there is a curfew from 11pm to 6 am.  Smile



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User currently offlineUncleKoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

WIAL are opening their own lounge at Wellington airport. There will be an entry fee of approx $19.00 per visit. I have heard it's going to be where the QF domestic lounge was (can't confirm though).


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12744 times:



Quoting UncleKoru (Reply 14):

No better place for it IMO. Fitting as it's in a usual position for those who don't use the Koru Club lounge. $19 sounds like a bit - wonder what the offerings will be like.

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 13):
There is hardly a J demand in this route.As it is a night flight and IIRC, there is a curfew from 11pm to 6 am

What are you on about?



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12727 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 15):
What are you on about?

OOL has a curfew between 11pm - 6am.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12722 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 16):
OOL has a curfew between 11pm - 6am.

Which had already been stated. What about the first 2/3 of that statement? What's a night flight?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12713 times:
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Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 13):
My question is can the existing models be fitted with them?

Not right now, but they are working on it:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...iver-3.5-lower-fuel-burn-from.html

Flight Global: "Leahy says that a retrofit for in-service aircraft is being examined in conjunction with Aviation Partners (API), which worked with Airbus on the new-build winglet programme."

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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12670 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
but only problem would be, no J seats avialable,

Is there much demand in J class on the night flights to the islands?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
but then again the only possible routes for night flying is to the Islands - but not many people like arriving at their destination 'after hours'

The islanders don't have much choice now, so there won't be much differences.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12639 times:
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Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 13):
My question is can the existing models be fitted with them?
I recollect someone saying they cant?

Currently the original A320s can't be

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 13):
Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 7):
Would they need J seats to OOL? Except for one well known person there would not be many people using J seats to that port.


There is hardly a J demand in this route.As it is a night flight and IIRC, there is a curfew from 11pm to 6 am.

None of NZs OOL flights to AKL, WLG and CHC are night flights. OOL flights connect to NZ2, NZ6, NZ8, NZ39 and NZ84 at AKL. JQ and DJs OOL flights also don't depart at night time. Yes there is a curfew at OOL - as I already said in reply #8

Quoting Cchan (Reply 19):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
but then again the only possible routes for night flying is to the Islands - but not many people like arriving at their destination 'after hours'

The islanders don't have much choice now, so there won't be much differences.

The majority of Island flights also have a day time flight. The only destinations that only have night flights are NIU and IUE as these are operated by B733s


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12632 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
NIU

? Do you mean Norfolk Island (NLK)?

(complete sidetrack on the subject of IUE, which is Niue - I love the fact IUE's ICAO code is... NIUE!)

Edit: In fact the examples supplied by 777ER are about the only islands in the South Pacific not to get night time flights, other than NOU! Looking at the online timetable, AKL-IUE departs AKL at 0915 on a Saturday, arriving 1255 (on a Friday), with the return departing at 1355 and arriving at 1750. AKL-NLK departs at 1250 on a Saturday, arriving at 1315, with the return departing at 1415 and arriving at 1730. So no overnight flights there at the moment. NZ55 (Thursday and Friday service NAN-AKL) departs at 1940 and arrives at 2240. NZ378 AKL-VLI on Wednesdays departs at 2100 and arrives at 2210 (though that is flown by Air Vanuatu). NZ264 AKL-APW departs at at 2145 and 2355 on Friday and Saturday respectively, with respective arrivals of 0140 and 0350. The returns depart at 0240 and 0500, arriving at 0640 and 0900. NZ276 AKL-TBU on Fridays at 2200, arriving Saturday at 0100. The return departs at 0200, arriving at 0500. NZ48 AKL-RAR on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday, departs at 2245, arriving at 0240 on the same day, and the return departs at 0340, arriving at 0710.NZ40 AKL-PPT on Fridays departs at 1840, arriving at 0035 on the same day, and the return departs at 0150, arriving at 0655. It should be noted that all destinations are served by a daytime flight on some other days.

V/F

[Edited 2009-12-07 06:14:16]


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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12609 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
The majority of Island flights also have a day time flight.

Not sure if it is still the case now, but many of these daytime flights to TBU, APW and RAR were operated by 763 and 772, with some 320. If NZ move the 320 daytime capacity to other routes, the impacts to these routes will be minimal as they will most likely be served by the 789 fleet in the future, which replaces the 763 and 772.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12606 times:
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Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 21):

Thanks for the correction. Always thought IUE was a night flights, but obviously its not and yes I meant NLK


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 797 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12357 times:

Question... does the A321 have the range to carry a full payload across the tasman?

I've heard conflicting comments and would really appreciate some clarity.



What?
25 NZ107 : Yes, IIRC range is around 4400-5500km. It could easily do AKL-MEL/SYD. You don't trust the Airbus website?
26 Aerohottie : The manufacturers set favourable operating parameters... My personal thoughts were that the A321 could easily do say WLG-MEL/SYD/BNE, but I had been
27 NZ107 : I wonder if this has anything to do with WLG's weight restrictions etc more than anything else? But with a maximum range on the website being over do
28 Mariner : US Airways flies the A321 on transcons - PHL-LAX, around 2400 miles - but has to make occasional fuel stops in certain weather/wind conditions. marin
29 SunriseValley : The A321 would be weight limited to about 84t on take off at WLG on a zero wind day. At 2500nm which is about the ESAD distance WLG-CNS it would haul
30 NZ107 : What does that mean in terms of load factor? 80% full? At 80% full it's carrying around the same amount as an A320 would. The likelihood of nonstop W
31 SunriseValley : Probably closer to 95% based on the capacity of 185 passengers shown in the AirBus table. But as you say a 2500nm sector out of WLG is highly unlikel
32 777ER : If thats the case then does anyone know the real distance the A320/A319 can operate in terms of Tasman sectors?
33 Post contains links 777ER : Airport hit by Customs sting - http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...42499/Airport-hit-by-Customs-sting
34 Mariner : The two longest routes that I am familiar with in the US for the A319 in an all economy configuration (136) are DEN-ANC (2405 miles) and DEN-SJO (241
35 UncleKoru : Hi Sunrise Valley, do these figures include any performance limitations imposed by Newlands ridge off 34? I'm not sure if the harbour circuit would b
36 SunriseValley : Uncle, I don't know, I work off what the Takeoff and Load/ range charts show. According to Google Earth it is about 6nm from the runway to the top of
37 UncleKoru : Official distance is 5.6 DME from the Wellington VOR. So your distances/heights are close (can't remember exactly off hand). From memory, Pacific Blu
38 Post contains links DavidByrne : http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=100184&nav=89 Not sure about this . . . what if you're not travelling as a couple . . . ? Guess we
39 NZ107 : Is there enough width on a 777 to make a 2-2-2-2 layout for Y+? Even if the middle aisle is narrow? It would be interesting but we've only got 2 mont
40 RichardJF : Isn't it the case that at WLG even the JQ 320's with 177 pax will struggle with the runway length let alone a A321 at what do they have..... 220 pax?.
41 NZ107 : How likely is this?
42 RichardJF : NZ flying only daily flights on WLG-SYD vs QF 2 daily probably doesn't make much sense. With Pacific Blue now having a more major presence on the tasm
43 TG992 : I guess the point here is IF NZ did a airshare or code-share with QF on the Tasman you may not see NZ metal on this route. Regardless or this you wil
44 Alangirvan : It has happened before with different names...in the 70s, when the Electras were withdrawn, the Qantas 707s could not use WLG, the AirNZ DC-8s could,
45 767ER : Alan That was an excellant synoposis. I don't think NZ has ever made money on TT ex WLG,ever. I recall in the 767 days on both NZ and QF I don't reca
46 UncleKoru : By their own admission, Air NZ has struggled to make money on all Trans Tasman services for the better part of the last fifteen years, not just ex We
47 767ER : That was at typo......I meant ex WLG only. I have no idea about CHC or AKL.
48 VirginFlyer : I picked up my new NZ Passport today. It may interest some here that the background designs on the pages are related to navigation, and pages 44-45 fe
49 NZ107 : That's a welcome change to the shell and the branch!
50 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Yes it is - the whole thing is very snazzy. Unexpected too - I had read in the NZ Herald that they wouldn't be rolled out until June next year, but a
51 Post contains links 777ER : Any one remember when Jumpjet airlines http://www.jumpjet.net/ first made the headlines between 2000-2002 with their plans for B737-700 service betwee
52 Cchan : Gotta renew my passport now just for this...my current passport is just 1 year old.
53 Post contains links 777ER : Rotorua to Sydney flights kick off - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/315067...Rotorua-to-Sydney-flights-kick-off While watching the business show at wor
54 Post contains links NZ107 : And here's a bit more info about the WLG lounge: Capital gains new business lounge for airborne masses Starting at $19 and going up to $25.. Looks lik
55 Post contains links Jasewgtn : I forgot about them I also remember the letter Nick from "Jumpjet" sent to the government about the proposed NZ/QF trans tasman tie up http://www.tra
56 Post contains links 777ER : WIAL have now got their new lounge on their web-site - http://www.wellington-airport.co.nz/...rportinfo/wild-at-heart-lounge.php
57 Post contains links NZ107 : And while we're at it, AKL is getting a Jetstar lounge which seems as though it might be similar to OOL.. Exclusive to JQ/QF international passengers.
58 777ER : I'm slightly confused about this JQ lounge, will it be only for the use of JQ/QF international pax or can anyone use it if they pay $10 (rising to $2
59 Post contains links 777ER : Landing fee hold pleases airlines - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10614969 Flight attendant reinstated after sittin
60 Zkpilot : Which is why many airlines have a policy of seatbelt sign means EVERYONE is seated.
61 777ER : From the sounds of the article NZ doesn't have that policy
62 TG992 : We are advised by the flight deck when the predicted turbulence is severe enough to warrant having us seated. Otherwise our brief is to continue the
63 Post contains links Mariner : USA Today has a fun article on fifth freedom flights, with a good pat on the back for Air NZ - LAX-LHR: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...009-12-
64 SunriseValley : You couldn't buy this sort of recommendation for a million dollars!
65 Cchan : It looks like HKG-LHR will be back to daily 772 for Northern Summer 2010.
66 Zkpilot : Yes very good publicity... a pity that most people probably wouldn't read that far down the article I suppose.
67 Post contains links Mariner : I'm not sure how much business class traffic they would pick up from a USA Today article, and what may matter more is that people like Brett Snyder (
68 LAXintl : Indeed NZ has built itself a nice niche on the London route and do indeed have a following here, including the Hollywood crowd. Just a few weeks ago
69 777ER : Those type of articles that is read in every state in the USA by millions and millions of residents/tourists is the type of advertising no one can bu
70 Post contains links 777ER : Trouble on first Rotorua Tasman flight - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3155...-first-Rotorua-trans-Tasman-flight Green light for DL and VA/DJ tie up
71 Mariner : Obviously I'm aware of that and obviously I think it is a good thing because I posted it. It is always good that the brand is recognized to as wide a
72 Rongotai : I recently had my first experience of VS Upper Class MCO-LGW. With the identical seats to NZ I really focused on the service comparisons. VS were far
73 Kaiarahi : If you read the story carefully, the union president / FA announced in advance that he intended to challenge NZ's SOP by sitting down, and then follo
74 TG992 : Thanks for the sage advice - however, since I work for the company in question I have a better idea of what actually happened. You'll note I was repl
75 Kaiarahi : And why would he do that if it is company policy anyway? It still sounds a bit like "work to rule". I fully understand that it's a "he said / they sa
76 TG992 : It's hard to explain, but in the pre-flight briefing certain crew remind us of certain things (for example, the Health & Safety reps might remind us t
77 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : NZ and CO have applied for codesharing of various services , not too surprising since CO joined *A http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...l#docketDeta
78 777ER : NZ has had on their web-site for a while now that they will launch codeshare services with CO from early next year. Its good to see some routes that
79 Post contains links 777ER : Pay - per - visit airport lounge opens for everyone - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-airport-lounge-opens-for-everyone
80 DavidByrne : Apart from MALIAT routes, these will include LAX-RAR RAR-AKL AKL-HKG AKL-NAN Also interesting to see that NZ is specifically going to put its code on
81 Gemuser : ??? Gemuser
82 NZ107 : That was pretty quick.. AKL's is opening in Feb.. And who knows what CHC is doing..
83 777ER : From the looks of the picture in the article compared to the last time I was in the QF lounge in WLG, WIAL have pretty much keeped the lounge as it w
84 DavidByrne : Multilateral Agreement on the Liberalization of International Air Transportation, signed up to by Brunei, United States, Chile, Singapore and New Zea
85 NZ107 : Right. Yeah I saw them stripping the entire AKL lounge so I guess it should be a bit more exciting. Even something like HKG-LHR could be a possibilit
86 DavidByrne : CO has departures east from HNL at 2055 for EWR and 2150 for IAH, while NZ's flight from AKL arrives at 2015. If one or other carrier could adjust it
87 Ditzyboy : I have worked under both scenarios - being able to continue working with the seat belt sign on and having to be seated. I have to say that being seat
88 777ER : I'm certain the WLG lounge had a big make over around 2004. Anyone know when the WLG lounge closed? I thought part of the AKL lounge was being used f
89 NZ107 : Well we're soon to find out.. All will be revealed in a couple of months. If my flight is interesting enough, I'll post a TR or else I'll just put so
90 Post contains links Mariner : Southwest Airlines has picked up a "challenge" by Air NZ over the bare-it-all-commercials: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...nappropriate-content
91 Gasman : Quoting TG992: To me, the low number of occurences is a sign that NZ's policy is a reasonable one. Given the frequency of low-end turbulence on the ro
92 Ash185 : Hey guys i gonna have to travel to ahmedabad in feb next year from auckland but im not sure which airline to go on. From what i have found, me options
93 777ER : My recommendation based on your choices of SQ and EK is EK. SQ flights tend to get booked out quickly and appear to be expensive ffrom AKL/CHC-SIN. S
94 Ash185 : Hey thanks. Yeah was thinking EK coz of the A380. I wanna fly on coz havent been on one yet but then i dont wanna get sandwiched between ppl lol the
95 Post contains links NZ107 : Depends when you go and sometimes the day of the week changes loads. Flights on EK trans Tasman at least can be chocker or they can be 1/5 full. Take
96 777ER : IMHO NZ didn't give SIN much of a chance when the route was switched to B777s from B763s. NZ suffered on the route with the sub-standard B763s (non P
97 Zkpilot : Yes I agree NZ should have given the SIN service at least a few more months with the 772ER as it takes time to reestablish customer perceptions. Cons
98 Ash185 : Well EK have stopped the AKL-BNE-SIN route and now all ek flights from AKL stop on either SYD, BNE, MEL and then off to DXB. While where on this does
99 Ash185 : I dont think SQ and NZ codeshare anymore as i remember a while back NZ said they will stop codesharing. The second daily flight that departs at like
100 DavidByrne : I'd question whether there really is a market for NZ to tap into on AKL-SIN. The reason SQ can provide 3x daily from AKL and CHC is that they have an
101 Mariner : Not actual heresy - LOL - but worrying. Not because they no longer serve SIN, but because they don't serve anywhere in that area of the world, outsid
102 MotorHussy : Have just heard that NZ is launching SYD-RAR flights next year. Think it must be a JV with the Cook Islands' Tourism Bureau. Curious to see which craf
103 777ER : That sounds interesting and provides NZ with a direct Pacific Island connection option for its Australian pax to get to LAX. Will the flight be timed
104 TG992 : NZ targeted those premium passengers who used to fly AKLSIN on SQ and gave them a free Tasman ticket on the 772 when it arrived. This did not change
105 MotorHussy : This I don't know as I've just heard it through connections in the Cooks. Anybody else know anything more on this? Craft, frequencies etc as well!? R
106 Post contains links NZ107 : Here's a mini link.. Although not that much info on it.. Air New Zealand to begin Sydney-Rarotonga flight in 2010 It says it's going to be a trial be
107 TG992 : SYD-RAR seems to be VERY marginal for a typical A320 range.. Wonder if a 767 will operate SYD-RAR-LAX and an A320 AKL-RAR will feed into the RAR-LAX s
108 NZ107 : You're right.. I guess a 763 is likely then. It'd be interesting to see how they do it though. My guess would still be that it originates from AKL du
109 Ash185 : When did this frosty relationship between SQ and NZ start? This is the 1st i am hearing of it. Well I would say most asian destinations are just a st
110 TG992 : My guess - the last flight of the night will overnight in SYD, the crew will have the minimum 10 hour rest, then the crew will operate SYD-RAR-AKL th
111 Alangirvan : There is not a lot of Origin/Destination traffic between NZ and Asia. When the airline was setting up the service to London via Asia, HKG was chosen.
112 TG992 : Yes and at the time you could have brought fares to the same destinations as SQ using SQ from SIN just flying on NZ from AKL. Ground TG992
113 Kiwiandrew : Sorry , but I do not follow your logic , by the same reasoning within Star NZ could fly to SIN and put NZ pax onto SQ services not just to London but
114 Post contains links 777ER : RNZAF B757 lands in Antartica - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3172050/RNZAF-jet-lands-on-ice
115 Alangirvan : Why would you fly AirNZ for part of the journey when you can do the whole journey on SQ/ AirNZ would be flying to SIN to feed an airline that can alr
116 NZ1 : I had heard a while ago that this was likely to be operated by an A320. I'll do some digging and see if I can find out the aircraft type. NZ1
117 Avrich : Hi all, quick question. I was doing some shooting around AKL this week. On Sunday night I saw ZK-NBT depart for LAX as NZ 6. On Tuesday when she retur
118 Zkpilot : Started when SQ decided to bully NZ with regards to AN. NZ owned half of AN when SQ decided to put in a bid for the other half without consulting NZ.
119 UncleKoru : Would seem to be at the edge of the A320's effective range. Looks like a distance of about 2700nm. Imagine it would be very tight RAR-SYD into the wi
120 NZ107 : Unless they don't expect it to be full and could do with a restricted payload? I guess that's a rather pessimistic approach to it but it is partially
121 Cchan : Will this be a non-stop flight or something like MEL-CHC-RAR?
122 DavidByrne : Before we all get too excited, I note that there is no suggestion that the SYD-RAR flight will be nonstop. I also note that the MEL/SYD (variously)-C
123 TG992 : Well SIN is a bigger star hub than HKG. One of the bigger star carriers HUB from SIN. HKG is a larger One World hub with CX. With regards to handing
124 JaseWGTN : Air New Zealand is to mount a direct B767 service between Rarotonga and Sydney for a trial period of four months between JUL10 and OCT10, backed by a
125 AerorobNZ : it's already been prepared once, and brought back into service. I think the covers indicate another 10-15 day layover unless needed for some reason s
126 Cchan : Eventually we may see a 763 or 772 running SYD-RAR-LAX instead of AKL-RAR-LAX, but maybe not during the trial period as this complicates the experime
127 Mariner : That's a sore point with me. I take every opportunity I can to spend a couple of days in the islands on my way to or from LAX. I enjoy the islands, I
128 DavidByrne : It's indeed good to see confirmed that the flight will be a nonstop B767 service. However, there are a few practicalities regarding timing that need
129 DavidByrne : Sure, understand this. But I was arguing that there is no need to actually hub a SYD-RAR-LAX service with an AKL-RAR connection. If you're travelling
130 Mariner : I understand that. I was reacting to the statement that anyone going AKL-LAX should go straight through, a non-stop. Not I. I don't like non-stops. U
131 TG992 : For anyone trying to plan the schedules..the longest multi-sector duty we 767 crew currently do is AKL-PPT-AKL which has a total duty time of 13h 50 (
132 Ash185 : People have difference preferences and urgency to get to their destination, so they can pick whether they want to stop over or go direct to LAX. Also
133 AerorobNZ : Was thinking it'd be about 4.30...my mistake. It remains to be seen what the option will be, but RAR would likely favour a late night dep/arr I'm sur
134 Ash185 : Does anybody think that JQ will enter AKL-LAX, at least in the next several years? QF has and may pull back on more flights on trans-tasman and domest
135 DavidByrne : Hey, I can truly identify with that, personally. The actual travel is an important part of the journey in my book. But we'd both agree that 99% of pa
136 Alangirvan : Underpinned with money granted by NZ Ministry of Foreign Affairs. So, will NZ Government be underwriting the SYD-RAR service as well?
137 Mariner : I'm not sure that I do agree with that. I do agree that there is a percentage of the market, and a premium-paying percentage, that would probably cho
138 777ER : The only QF 'domestic' service that operates now is the B763 freighter service AKL-CHC that operates during the early hours. I can see JQ taking over
139 NZ107 : Hmm.. I'd question such moves if made. AKL-MEL deserves to stay QF just like AKL-SYD/BNE. As long as QF 25/26 remains a Qantas operated flight, I see
140 Koruman : I would argue that a significant proportion of passengers would take a stopover in at least one direction if it was easily available in a destination
141 KiwiRob : I wish the new ones had reverted back to 10 years, 5 is just not long enough. My wife and kids have 10 year Norwegian passports.
142 NZ107 : The change was for "security's sake" because NZ passports are highly sought after.. But it's not like there are that many kiwis who all go to places
143 CHCalfonzo : Why does the aircraft have to operate SYD-RAR-SYD in one go? Why not AKL-RAR-SYD and vice versa. This would get around the crewing issue as AKL-RAR is
144 Kiwiandrew : I know you are just repeating the official line rather than expressing your personal view ... but I still think the 'security' thing is utter crap ..
145 DavidByrne : A very elegant solution! I don't disagree at all - I think people have perhaps misunderstood what I was saying (or perhaps I didn't explain myself cl
146 TG992 : Interesting conversation. Let me add a few comments. No one is suggesting the airline has to or should operate AKLRARLAX with a 90 minute turn around
147 Mariner : I strongly disagree with both of those statements. What the LCC's - in the US, Europe and Asia - have clearly shown is that many pax don't care if th
148 TG992 : 1. LCC's typically fly short sectors. We are talking long haul. 2. NZ is not a LCC Ground TG992
149 Mariner : Air Asia X flies long haul. You don't consider Jetstar's flights to Japan long haul? I can usually get a better price on Emirates to almost anywhere.
150 MotorHussy : The proposition is for a direct non-stop route SYD-RAR. Sorry, don't understand?!
151 TG992 : Out of all the airlines in the world the there is only one long haul LCC Air Asia X which is yet to prove itself. Air Asia are not doing so well righ
152 Alangirvan : In Europe, LCCs are point to point carriers, most flights are non stop. Around Asia, LCCs are point to point. Air Asia X flights between Stansted and
153 Mariner : Yes, I understand that. I thought the debate was about a possible SYD-RAR-LAX? Or am I totally I have no idea why you are limiting it to LCC. It is a
154 777ER : Since the B787s will be used for International, they will have J seats. JQ could use a B787/A330 on Tasman and you still keep the J seats Only route
155 TG992 : Really?? Looking at this you brought the LCC's into the debate. Leave them out i don't mind. As somoene else pointed out LCC is almost always point t
156 Mariner : Because LCC's have made hay with the prime rule of yeild management. They are the obvious example - they are not the only example. I thought I also m
157 TG992 : I wasn't sure what your LAXLHR comment was about but my AC comment was a direct comparrison to NZ with the regards to cutting mid pacific stop overs.
158 Mariner : (i) LAX-LHR was a point about price stimulation in business class. I'm not sure why it is obscure to you. (ii) Many airlines decided that non-stop wa
159 TG992 : No but Southwest and Air New Zealand are not comparable. Oh right. Seeing as i was talking about mid pacific traffic it was a little obscure. Never m
160 Alangirvan : We almost have to define LCC - Low Cost Carrier. Easyjet was the first in Europe, then Ryanair changed itself into a LCC. I am not sure what Ryan was
161 Post contains images Mariner : I'm not anxious to compare them. I was simply correcting a misapprehension about LCC's.    No, I didn't understand the point in context. Once you e
162 NZ107 : Fair enough! That would have probably been my comment if I hadn't gone on about "security".. Would they want to? The 787 is how many years off and A3
163 Ash185 : I dont think they will use the 744s, i think the qantas group will just want to get rid of them except maybe for freighters. QF never got 777s so i t
164 Post contains links Macilree : Actually with the Cook Islands also party to the MALIAT (as are Tonga and Samoa) you can take LAX-RAR and RAR-AKL off that list of routes where CO ar
165 Koruman : The lack of volume of passengers taking Pacific island stopovers is in large part a result of the airline making it almost impossible for most passen
166 777ER : Why did QF use B744s on the Tasman? To enable that aircraft to operate long haul from AKL. JQ can easily do the same in regards to their widebody fle
167 TG992 : It is. But NZ is not making it hard it's the fact that that there is no enough demand. I'm not saying there isn't any, this is it's just that there i
168 Mariner : I had that problem trying to go through APW. It became so tricky that in the end I simply flew non-stop. And thus was recorded as one of those who pr
169 Mariner : This isn't about the Pacific, but you do seem to have your finger on other pulses, so - a question: In all the discussion about Air NZ and Asia (SIN
170 Alangirvan : On currnet schedules, the 744 now flies in to AKL from LAX, and then returns there seven hours later - it does not continue on to Australia. A 787 co
171 Unclekoru : I have been told that the end is near for QF and the 767 on the Tasman schedules. Credibility of the source? Poor-medium, but it's an interesting rumo
172 Alangirvan : On the Pacific, this is where it is a pity that Aloha stopped flying, as they had long range 737s flying from HNL to several South Pacific countries.
173 Mariner : Thanks for that. Can the A330HGW not do it? BNE-LAX, that is. Or did you mean the ones that Qantas/JetStar presently have? mariner
174 Alangirvan : I am thinking about QF/JQ current fleet.
175 Zkpilot : Thats just the official line which is pure BS AFAIC. Many other countries with higher security risks have 10 year passports. Its just a money grab...
176 ZK-NBT : The new domestic A332s have the same seats as the new J/C 73Hs, 1 A332 can operate the current 2 daily 763s SYD-AKL atleast. With the other 332s on S
177 Post contains links Mariner : Ah, I thought Jetstar had: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...for-higher-gross-weight-a330s.html Flight Global: "Qantas's Jetstar opts for higher
178 ZK-NBT : I stand corrected then! Though they are for JQ rathe than QF itself. I'm not a range expert but i'd say it could do BNE-LAX with very close to a full
179 NZ107 : In the early-mid '00s (and before), they operated AKL-BNE-DPS, something like 3 or 4x weekly. But the bulk of passengers IMO are Australians and it w
180 Koruman : There are a few problems with DPS. The one as big as a house is terrorism: twice in recent years tourists have been targeted, and that really comprom
181 Mariner : Thanks for the update. I used to like Bali - away from the crowd. I first went there in the 1976 and it was all I had ever heard, the place of the le
182 Unclekoru : It's already a blood bath, I doubt that the 744 will be returning (if that's what you're suggesting - sorry it's not clear?).
183 ZK-NBT : I can't personally see it being anymore than 3x weekly max, I'd say 1 or 2 weekly myself. I can't remember more than 3 weekly to AKL, they for a shor
184 NZ107 : No, I didn't intend to suggest that. However it'd be nice if they reverted to some sort of widebody like that.. Maybe we'll start seeing an odd QF A3
185 777ER : Yes on the current schedules the B744s have stopped Tasman for QF - thanks to Jetconnect getting its flights. Even the seats were being sold at a low
186 TG992 : The Tasman is flooded with services/airlines, I can't see any local airlines flying anything bigger than a 763 in the future. Airlines such as EK wil
187 MD-90 : Sounds like a tailor-made 757 route to me. Too bad that's not an option.
188 Cchan : Much fewer these days, even for European tourists, the Thai beaches have less terrorism risk.
189 MotorHussy : The advantage to me that both Thai and Balinese beaches have over the Pacific islands ones is that your dollar goes a lot further in terms of what it
190 Post contains links 777ER : re-pay $36m in over-charges - Airlines - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...back-security-charges-say-airlines
191 DavidByrne : Just noted the schedules for the SYD-RAR service: NZ46 Sat 1030 AKL - 1620 RAR 1735 - 2050 SYD NZ49 Sun 1900 SYD - 0500 RAR 0615 - 0850 AKL (Mon) RAR
192 Mariner : LOL. It's always puzzled me that there hasn't been more interest in upper end hotels and resorts in Samoa, compared with Fiji, say, but I guess the l
193 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ slows passenger decline - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3186379/Air-NZ-slows-passenger-decline NZ-based pilots paid 'half of Aussie counterpa
194 Alangirvan : Just received the Air NZ release announcing the new SYD-RAR service. Not the first airline to do it. Anyone remember Cook Island Airways, operated wit
195 HLZCPH : Hi, has FRE left for Brasil yet, or is it still in bits!? Merry Xmas to all and good flights for 2010!
196 Kiwiandrew : I thought they used a 727 ? Though it was a long time ago and my recollection could be faulty I am sure that at AKL in the viewing area they used to
197 Alangirvan : It started as a 767, then became a 727 service (maybe with a stop in Apia)
198 CHCalfonzo : FRE left in WebJet colours several weeks ago.
199 Kiwiandrew : Thanks for that , nice to know that I wasnt completely dreaming it up about the 727 , but I have to admit that I missed the use of the 767 on the rou
200 NZ1 : Left about 3 weeks ago. Finally. NZ1
201 UncleKoru : If they're losing as much on the Tasman ex AKL as has been suggested at the JC office then the status quo is unlikely to remain. I was told that ther
202 Post contains links Zkpilot : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/transport/...icle.cfm?c_id=97&objectid=10616969 I found this highly amusing! For all these years Auckland Airport has been d
203 NZ107 : Partially fueled by shareholders too, I think. The newer directors are very keen for a rail link and have been for at least the past 2 years. But at
204 HLZCPH : Thanks for that. It had a C check? Who covers the cost of that, the leasing company, or Air NZ? What would the routing have been to get to Brasil? Vi
205 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ returns to Australian market - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ir-NZ-returns-to-Australian-market
206 DavidByrne : This is an interesting article because it confirms that NZ management remain acutely aware of the damage done to the brand in Australia by the Ansett
207 TG992 : I respectfully suggest it's far more likely to be the journalist bringing up the 'ghost of Ansett' in the interview, and the Air NZ exec simply respon
208 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #69 -Christmas Edition (by 777ER Dec 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)
209 NZ1 : It had a 6C which is the biggest check it can have. Air NZ's expense as part of the lease requirements. Not sure on the exact routing, but think it s
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