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Akron-Canton: Future If CO Pulls CLE Plug  
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Just curious for your opinion on CAK's future if CO pulls down CLE. AirTran has always served it obviously and has been a nice niche for NE Ohio. But could FL possible build it up more, specifically Florida and N.E. service, as CO pulls the flights?

Of course this is not implying that CO is/will close CLE.


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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

CAK does a great job of serving their catchment area and they even try to tap into CLE some. If CO were to pull the plug on CLE, I think we would see some backfill from WN/B6 and maybe even complementary service on FL. I dont see the role of CAK changing too much with or without a hub in CLE.


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3718 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
CAK does a great job of serving their catchment area and they even try to tap into CLE some.

Almost every CAK commercial that plays in the area of NE Ohio goes after travelers in CLE. I think they try very hard to tap into the CLE market.

CAK is a great airport, with room to expand, but I do foresee any major expansion in the near future. If CO were to wind down CLE the cuts will be at the smaller markets that CAK could not sustain anyways. You may see FL add a few flights to CAK, but I don't think anything major will change. The economies in Akron/Canton are not in the best shape right now, def not strong enough to support a hub of any type.

Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25007 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3651 times:
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Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 2):
Almost every CAK commercial that plays in the area of NE Ohio goes after travelers in CLE. I think they try very hard to tap into the CLE market.

The most interesting question - to me - is what will Frontier/Midwest do?

Frontier serves CAK from DEN. Midwest serves CLE from MKE.

Since they are amalgamating at all their other stations, will Midwest move to MKE - or will Frontier move to CLE?

Or will they keep 'em both, just as they are?

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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

I agree CLE is in a tenuous situation, particularly if UA is CO's merger partner. Absent that, however, please remember that CVG is slowly dying and those connecting passengers must go somewhere. CLE should gain from that.

I know it's been discussed in the past, but I think a US-UA tie up is not unlikely at all. One of the interesting effects is that it creates the likelihood of a CO-AA deal. IMHO a CO-AA deal is the worst merger combo from a network point if view. UA might be smart to force that outcome.

It would also be interesting if US-CO got together. With US "out" of LGA it makes that possible in terms of the DOJ and would force a problematic AA-UA deal.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3487 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):

Unfortunately for CLE Eniltia, the CVG traffic has many places to go(ORD,DTW,ATL,IAD,EWR,CLT). All hubs that will survive mergers. But as many in the other threads I do believe that CLE could be slowly going the way none of us want.

That being said, Mariner I do agree with your statement. One of my big fears for CAK is losing FL. With the investment into CAK with the new concourse and probably CAK officials wrapped around there finger, would they leave?

I guess I believe that if CO pulled from CLE, this could help FL add more service to Florida and N.E. Even with the bad economy NE Ohioans to love Florida. Also, this would open the door for service westward, specially with MKE service and F9 DEN. But I want your opinions since I don't live back there anymore and have an outsiders perspecive.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25007 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3437 times:
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Quoting As739x (Reply 5):
But I want your opinions since I don't live back there anymore and have an outsiders perspecive.

I'm more of an outsider than you I'm much, much further away, and I don't know that area of the US as well as I know some others.

It has always puzzled me, though, that Southwest doesn't do more at CLE, but - I guess - if there was any serious pulldown by Continental, Southwest would step into some of the breach. In which case, I suppose Airtran would probably remain at CAK - I think they will anyway, they have a pretty good position there.

But I'm not sure why you think Continental would drop too many fights at CLE. I know what is happening at CVG, but does one necessarily dictate the other?

It always seemed to me that CVG was a somewhat artificial - and somewhat unrealistic - creation, by Delta. I don't know if the same can be said of CLE.

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
CLE should gain from that.

How? Comair/Chautauqua offer only a couple flights a day between the two, and it's skyteam, not Star, so very few people are connecting. Also, CVG is a long way from CLE. Nobody's driving 3+ hours, nor will they. CMH seperates the two and it does pretty well for itself, so as a result CVG and CLE generally don't pull from the same base of people. The collapse of one or the other won't really affect them.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3367 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
It has always puzzled me, though, that Southwest doesn't do more at CLE, but - I guess - if there was any serious pulldown by Continental, Southwest would step into some of the breach. In which case, I suppose Airtran would probably remain at CAK - I think they will anyway, they have a pretty good position there.

I agree 100%. I think AirTran likes what they have at CAK and I think Southwest would build up CLE if CO were to drastically reduce capacity at the airport.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
The most interesting question - to me - is what will Frontier/Midwest do?

Frontier serves CAK from DEN. Midwest serves CLE from MKE.

Since they are amalgamating at all their other stations, will Midwest move to MKE - or will Frontier move to CLE?

Or will they keep 'em both, just as they are?

That is a very good question. In CLE Republic faces competition from CO but has a larger population base. In CAK Frontier faces no competition but probably has a smaller population base. I hope that F9 stays at CAK as it is a very fine airport, but I have no idea what they will do. It may boil down to which airport wants the airline more (and I think that CAK may win that battle as CLE still has CO).

-Brandon



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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3355 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
remember that CVG is slowly dying and those connecting passengers must go somewhere. CLE should gain from that.

I tend to think not since the dismantlement of US at PIT did nothing. It appears the consensus of a.netters is that with the UA/CO bond, ORD has to be the main focal point, travellers need to be primarily routed through there at this point, so CLE gets burned to make ORD happen better.

Of course, during prosperity and airline independence, the a.netter consensuswas that CO gave CLE bones because there is just such an endless amount of O&D at the superhubs to tap into.

As for CAK, I believe it will hold it's own if/when CLE becomes a UA/CO spoke.


User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

The problem with WN at CLE is that their gates are tucked in the back end of the B concourse. While there is some room to grow without adding gates, there isn't much to be had on the B concourse unless they convince UA and DL/NW to move. Furthermore, CLE is smack dab in the middle of the WN "hubs" at MDW and BWI, so there isn't much need for them to grow, either.

Anecdotally, I flew WN from CLE<>BNA<>DEN and reverse, and the flights from BNA<>DEN were much fuller than the CLE<>BNA flights.


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

It's wild that the midwest will potentially go from 6 (CLE, PIT, DTW, ORD, MSP, CVG) to 3 (ORD, MSP, DTW) hubs in a decade.

CAK cannot fill CLE's role. CLE has 11-12mm passengers, CAK 1mm and they don't have the capacity.

I might suggest some regionalism here. Leaders of the Cleveland, Akron and Canton area should think about what's best for the region and offer to close CAK and move the volume to CLE so that we can maintain a hub. A lot of Akron/Canton residents drive to CLE now so this is not something new. Regionalism is something that is said but not done in northeast Ohio to this point. In order to survive, the region needs to start thinking more about how to survive and this is just one way. A 1mm bump to CLE traffic would lower costs (landing fees, etc.) to the airlines, add new carriers all benefitting consumer via lower prices and more frequencies or larger a/c.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3099 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 11):

Are you kidding me? Close CAK for the benefit of the region, who benefits? Put everyone out of CLE so they can raise passenger fee's becauses CLE will no longer have a competing airport!

CAK has a new concourse, low landing fee's and no ATC delays. Why would you pass that up? If your from the area you'd realize going from Canton to CLE isn't the easiest when it's snowing.

I'm purely asking how CAK may benefit from a CO downsizing. Also, know one is saying that CAK will try to fill the role of CLE, but rest assured CAK will not close to help CLE.



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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Maybe Jetblue would have an interest in CLE?


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 11):
I might suggest some regionalism here. Leaders of the Cleveland, Akron and Canton area should think about what's best for the region and offer to close CAK and move the volume to CLE so that we can maintain a hub. A lot of Akron/Canton residents drive to CLE now so this is not something new. Regionalism is something that is said but not done in northeast Ohio to this point. In order to survive, the region needs to start thinking more about how to survive and this is just one way. A 1mm bump to CLE traffic would lower costs (landing fees, etc.) to the airlines, add new carriers all benefitting consumer via lower prices and more frequencies or larger a/c.

That may be one of the wildest things I've ever heard. Close CAK to support CLE? How about close half of CLE to make the rest of CLE more affordable. CAK has a great thing going with FL, which SAVES people in the region a ton of money, I'm sure. Why close the airport thats booming relative to the past, to sustain the one thats suffering?

I think this is a situation where you've got to let the chips fall where they may...


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2969 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
One of the interesting effects is that it creates the likelihood of a CO-AA deal.

I couldn't see that happening in a million years from a route/hub point of view. The route networks/hubs for the two carriers don't blend together well. DL/NW has some hub issues, but they appear to be very minor. For example, DL has MEM and ATL, ATL is DL's fortress hub, and MEM is significantly smaller. If DL had to pull down one, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to choose to pull down MEM over ATL. We already see CVG getting pulled down in favor of the larger (and close by) DTW and MSP. DL/NW's hub structure and route network is far less complicated.

As for a CO-AA deal? That's just not going to work. CO and AA both have two gigantic (or soon to be gigantic) hubs very close to each other. CO has IAH, their main hub. AA has DFW, their main hub. CO has a huge hub operation in EWR, and AA is expanding an already large operation at JFK. I don't think having IAH, DFW, EWR, and JFK as hubs is going to do well for a combined CO-AA. In fact, from that point of view, I see the two repelling each other if anything.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2896 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 13):
Maybe Jetblue would have an interest in CLE?

Someone would have to pick up the Boston traffic. CLE-BOS (and CLE-MHT) do very well, so a WN CLE-MHT or a JetBlue startup seems like a good bet if CO were to drop the routes.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2879 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Someone would have to pick up the Boston traffic. CLE-BOS (and CLE-MHT) do very well, so a WN CLE-MHT or a JetBlue startup seems like a good bet if CO were to drop the routes.

You could argue that if BOS were to be dropped (which I don't think will happen, it is a large enough city to demand direct service) than FL is already there to fill the void. They operate CAK-BOS. Sure CAK is not convenient for people to the northeast of Cleveland, but many people in the southern Cleveland and northern Akron suburbs could easily drive to CAK. Like I said, I don't think BOS will be dropped anyways.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 11):
I might suggest some regionalism here. Leaders of the Cleveland, Akron and Canton area should think about what's best for the region and offer to close CAK and move the volume to CLE so that we can maintain a hub. A lot of Akron/Canton residents drive to CLE now so this is not something new. Regionalism is something that is said but not done in northeast Ohio to this point. In order to survive, the region needs to start thinking more about how to survive and this is just one way. A 1mm bump to CLE traffic would lower costs (landing fees, etc.) to the airlines, add new carriers all benefitting consumer via lower prices and more frequencies or larger a/c.

I think you suggested just the opposite. CAK numbers have been growing, and the airport recently went through renovations, there is no way they would close it. You may not realize it but having CAK benefits the Akron/Canton economies with jobs, much needed jobs. No way this would ever happen.

-Brandon



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2850 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 17):
FL is already there to fill the void. They operate CAK-BOS.

I've flown that route quite a few times myself, and it's almost always full. So, if FL wants to fill that void, they'll have to really up the number of daily flights (assuming people would drive to CAK.)

That having been said, BOS-CLE is a very business heavy flight, so most people won't settle for flying into CAK and driving an hour. There would have to be something at CLE, as BOS is one of the few major east coast markets not served from CLE by another airline.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2800 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
That having been said, BOS-CLE is a very business heavy flight, so most people won't settle for flying into CAK and driving an hour. There would have to be something at CLE, as BOS is one of the few major east coast markets not served from CLE by another airline.

Which is why I said I doubt CO would drop the route. When you look at it though, CO only sends Regional Jets to BOS (On the dates I looked they had 4 round trip flights), and FL sends one roundtrip flight a day (a 717), so FL very well could add another flight if CO drops the route. The capacity would almost even out.

-Brandon



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
It has always puzzled me, though, that Southwest doesn't do more at CLE

I'm not sure if anything has changed in the 8 years since this article was published, but it may explain why Southwest has not grown in CLE.

CLEVELAND HOPKINS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
NOT EVEN EXPANSION CAN FIX THIS MESS
by David Morton
Published November 14 - 20, 2001


Quote:
The airport is supposed to power economic growth for all of Northeast Ohio. Instead, it’s an industry joke — squandering millions, telling airlines to get lost, and charging Continental and Southwest sky-high prices to do business here.

The airport’s former commissioner, chief financial officer, and air trade manager all explain why:

Because City Hall is in charge.

The article also mentions

Quote:
It was 1998, former Hopkins commissioner Mark Van Loh recalls, and Southwest Airlines needed to add a security checkpoint at Concourse B. Lines at the existing two checkpoints had stretched so long they were reaching to the Food Court. Southwest had a plan. The airline’s operations people presented airport officials with blueprints that put a third checkpoint in the space then occupied by the Victoria’s Secret underwear stash; the storage room would have to be moved somewhere else. But Port Control, the city department that runs Hopkins airport, put off making a decision — for three years.

as well as

Quote:
But Southwest, which has shown remarkable growth elsewhere, told Borokhovich in 2000 — well before 9/11 — that the higher landing fees associated with expansion had sunk it into a "no growth" position in Cleveland.

Speaking of "no growth" that pretty much describes Cleveland's Metro population over the last 38 years.

In 1970, the Cleveland metro area had a population of 2,418,809. By 2008, the estimated population had dropped 9.5% from 1970 to 2,188,939.

Source

Columbus, on the other hand - a city where Southwest has a bigger presence, has seen a population increase of about 50.1% between 1970 and 2008 - from 1,125,646 to 1,690,442.

Source

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineMASTYC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2660 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 11):
It's wild that the midwest will potentially go from 6 (CLE, PIT, DTW, ORD, MSP, CVG) to 3 (ORD, MSP, DTW) hubs in a decade.

The sad truth though, and no offense to anyone that lives there, is that with the exception of Minneapolis and Chicago, these cities have been dying for a long time. You can even add STL into that mix. Most of these cities used to be home to a lot more people. I'm sure that has to be a factor in airlines making money in these cities. I'm curious to see the growth in Columbus in the next 20 years. I've never been there but heard really nice things about it.


User currently offlineCMHfreqflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2629 times:



Quoting MASTYC (Reply 21):
The sad truth though, and no offense to anyone that lives there, is that with the exception of Minneapolis and Chicago, these cities have been dying for a long time. You can even add STL into that mix. Most of these cities used to be home to a lot more people. I'm sure that has to be a factor in airlines making money in these cities. I'm curious to see the growth in Columbus in the next 20 years. I've never been there but heard really nice things about it.


Thanks MASTYC - please come and visit our city any time! Actually, Columbus is fortunate in that our economy is much different than CLE, PIT, TOL etc., really more like a small Minneapolis. Big employers are government, insurance, health care and other recession-resistant industries - not too much "rust belt" heavy industry is based here. Unfortunately, we still don't have a world-class airport - CMH works, but we just don't have quite enough O&D traffic to make it a hub or focus city for a major.

But, if population growth continues, maybe we will be there someday  Smile

Personally I'm hoping that CO hangs on to CLE, as all of my miles are on CO and there are many weeks that my travels start with a CMH-CLE leg (too often on a Q200 - arghhh!).
Daryll


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11427 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

The last think Akron would ever want is for Continental to de-hub CLE. If (or perhaps when) Continental leaves Continental, you will see other airlines - including almost certainly low-fare carriers like Southwest - come in and surgically back-fill the capacity with more flights and largr planes to hubs and major O&D centers. As the market diffuses and becomes more competitive, fares will almost certainly go down. That is not good news for CAK, which steals a huge chunk of its business from the CLE catchment area by taking advantage of the relatively higher fares at CLE. Strategically speaking, the last think CAK would want is for CLE to lose its hub.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 11):
It's wild that the midwest will potentially go from 6 (CLE, PIT, DTW, ORD, MSP, CVG) to 3 (ORD, MSP, DTW) hubs in a decade.

It makes sense though when you consider what has happened in the region - demographically and economically - during the same time. More and more people, jobs and money are moving south and west, so it only makes sense that areas of the country not doing as well economically - like the Midwest and Northeast - would see their hub service concentrated to the strongest hubs they've got (in the case of the Midwest, that's definitely Chicago first and foremost, plus Minneapolis for the upper Midwest and Detroit not singularly but due to its location and uncongested, modern facilities).


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2605 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 19):
CO only sends Regional Jets to BOS

Are you looking at a Saturday? Last I flew CLE-BOS it was on a 737-800.

Although the winter schedule is 2X RJ and 1X 735, come spring the route will be heavily laden with 737s again (3x 73G, 1x738, 1x ERJ). Hardly "only regional jets."



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25 ATLFlyer323 : I just looked on a random day, so I could very easily be wrong. On the day I looked thats all that showed up, I know aircraft change a lot though. -B
26 PITrules : I agree as well. I'll go one step further and predict - should CLE be de-hubbed and competition there diversify - FL would abandon CAK in favor of CL
27 ATLFlyer323 : I disagree. Airtran has made CAK, I don't think they would just pick up and move. Maybe shift some of their service to CLE, if that at all, but I sti
28 Joeman : A lot has changed in the last 8 years, but this political based unprofessionalism of yesteryear certainly created a reputation that might still linge
29 YNGguins : CAK always is advertising in the YNG area as well. With the news that Allegiant is moving from SFB to MCO out of YNG, it will be interesting to see wh
30 ATLFlyer323 : How many weekly services will Allegiant offer? On days the Allegiant flies out of Youngstown I'm sure the locals would want chose that flight. But if
31 KcrwFlyer : Both. CAK is an extremely strong FL station. And G4 is G4...
32 Milesrich : Check out FUN2FLY's bio. That says it all. He must live on the west side of Cleveland. For those people living on the east side, CAK is often closer
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