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Northwest Mechanics Ratify Contract - NO Strike!  
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Northwest mechanics just ratified their new contract!!!! No strike this summer at Northwest, and all their labor unions now have contracts. Hopefully they will continue to improve employee relations and therefore continue to improve customer service.

The story is available at :
http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/press.shtml

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User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

I guess nobody cares....

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

The mechanics were just tired of getting jerked around by the company and wanted to get a least a little compensation for working so long without a contract. They aren't getting near enough in so-called "back pay" and they aren't even getting what they're truly worth for putting up with so much crap by management. Sure, their contract is the industry leader now, but with so many other airlines' mechanic unions negotiating new contracts this year, it won't take long before Northwest's mechanics are at the back of the bus again. I personally know of several guys (two from Minneapolis and one from Detroit) that left NWA for greener pastures. The smart ones got out while the getting was good...


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User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Well I still think it is a positive thing that NW now has all the unions under current contracts.

User currently offlineNW-ELITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

I am so relieved. Now NW can show how they are a really good airline without any problems.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineNwa#1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Right on NW-ELITE!  Smile Can't wait to see how well NW does this summer!!!!

User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Oh I'm sure there's someone out there who cares...

I'm back!

Great news with the mechs.

N-Dub



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User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Gongrats. We were all pulling for you...and it's great to see the proffession valued as it should be. Win or lose, AMFA is a class act. A truly proffessional association.

User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Wow... they didnt' get everything they wanted but they did what they thought was best for everyone...hmmmm.... and they didn't cost a single one of their fellow employees their job..... HEY! ALPA bastards at Comair.. you paying attention here???????

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

There wouldn't have been a strike anyway-President W. said he wasn't going to allow a strike at any major airline this year.

And I had to laugh at what 737doctor said-he calls it a crap deal, then in the same post he calls it the industry-leading deal. How can it be both?

Hopefully, NW can take a page from CO, start mending it's fences with it's workers, and put all this labor unrest behind them.


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

I'll tell you why it's a bad deal...

At this moment, they are the highest paid mechanics in the industry. However, these are the airlines that are or will be in negotiations with their mechanics this year: American, United, UPS, Southwest & Continental. Before the new NWA contract, UPS, Southwest and Continental had the best contracts around (Delta's pay was marginally higher, but they are non-union). The mechanics in these unions will see what the mechanics at NWA got and use it as a measuring stick. They'll say, "If Northwest got $36/hr, then we want $40/hr." So basically the mechanics at NWA worked without a decent contract for what four years? Finally, they get a contract only to watch all the other airlines' mechanics use it as a bargaining chip to get more out of their respective companies...and that's too bad.



Patrick Bateman is my hero.
User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Time will tell whether this will just escalate into an industry "me-too" war. I personally think the argument is specious though...and I don't think IAM or TWU will be able to match, much less surpass this agreement. Competitive wage rates sound good on paper, but the most important things are: 1) Language 2) Language 3) Language. No agreement is worth the paper it's written on if, one by one, any provisions in the contract can be neutered with a myriad of "local agreements" or secret, non-voted, "letters of agreement"...which the IAM and TWU have historically had a marked propensity for. The whole point is: There's so much more to it than well publiscised wage rates....Proffessionalism, openness, how democratically the union is run, bargaining acumen. AMFA has the others cold.

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

UPS, Continental and Southwest are IBT...


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

According to Bethune last October, CO has no union contracts up this year. The next one up is the pilots in 2002.

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Alpha 1, Continental's contract is amendable on January 1, 2002, but negotiations should start well before that...

From the Teamsters website:

Our Fair Share:
Mechanics to Negotiate
Four Contracts This Year

This year will be an eventful one for more than 8,500 Teamster mechanics as contracts at Southwest, Continental, UPS and Continental Micronesia open for bargaining.

"The Teamsters have always produced industry-leading contracts for our mechanics," said Ray Benning, Director of the Airline Division. "We're in the process of surveying our membership and finding out what issues are most important to them before we go to the table."

Teamster mechanics enjoy the best wages and working conditions in the industry. As far as industry-leading contracts go, UPS, Southwest and Continental are ranked first, second and fourth, respectively.

Mechanics at Southwest and UPS have received contract proposal forms to collect their opinions on what needs to be changed, added or amended in their contracts. Continental workers will begin receiving their materials in March.

The UPS contract becomes amendable on July 31. Southwest's agreement is open for bargaining on August 16, while Continental's is slated to open on January 1, 2002.

Continental Micronesia, with members in Guam and Saipan, has already begun bargaining after polling its membership.

"The most important issue is wages, of course," said Jimmy Muraki, Pacific Rim Coordinator for Local Union 986 in El Monte, California. "They would like a cost-of-living allowance and more vacation and holiday time."

Record Profits

"Our members at UPS are an integral part of one of the wealthiest companies in the world," said Joe Darmento, President of Local Union 2727 in Louisville, Kentucky, who helped negotiate the last UPS mechanics contract. "Airline mechanics are a highly skilled group and demand to be compensated accordingly."

The last five years have been the most profitable in the history of commercial flight. Teamster mechanics, who overhaul and maintain the aircraft that the flying public trusts, are entitled to share in the record prosperity.

"We've got the best contract in the industry and we intend to keep steamrolling along at the next round of talks," said Brett Ellis, a UPS mechanic and Shop Steward at Local Union 2727. "Pay and pensions will be important issues as well as fine-tuning some work rules, but it's more about building on what we already have."

The preliminary goals for bargaining are:

Increasing wages and benefits;

Augmenting pensions;

Protecting members from subcontracting; and,

Amending language regarding mergers and acquisitions.

Lawyers for the Teamsters are currently preparing language to deal with the rapid consolidation and globalization of the airline industry.

"Our members are the ones who ensure the airlines are reliable, safe and on time," said Steve Greenwell, a Business Agent at Local Union 769 in Miami representing mechanics at Continental. "It's important at this round of negotiations that we improve wages and work rules and try to protect our members from buy-outs and mergers. Anytime you see as much consolidation as there is in our industry, you have to be concerned about layoffs and cutbacks."



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User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Just a little update to reinforce my theory...

American's mechanics just rejected a 4 year, $41/hr from their company....hmmm.



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User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

"Devil's in the details", Which we do not know yet. It can still be a concessionary contract for all we know...A large ball of excrement covered with a thin layer of tasty icing. I personally think they will never match NWA's total compensation package due to the lack of "teeth"; Read: Language...Language..Language. I'll be conversing with an old A&P school buddy of mine that works at AA to get some insight. -- Wonderful thing this internet eh?

User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

I think we can all be thank ful for every airline that overcomes its labor troubles. Now if Comair could just get settled up, but that stills leaves United and American. Guess were still in for some rough times.

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Yes, talk to your buddy at American.

But your deceiving yourself if you think that A&P's at other airlines won't be making more than what Northwest is making.

I work as a mechanic for a major airline and I have many close friends who are mechanics for the following airlines: American, Delta, Federal Express, Southwest, UPS (as well as many lesser airlines). In addition, I know many mechanics who have recently left the following airlines for better jobs: America West, Continental, Northwest, TWA, & United (plus others). I believe that I have pretty good insight as to what is going on within the industry.

Some of the upcoming labor agreements at a few of the airlines mentioned above will totally eclipse the Northwest deal, believe me. Unless, of course, Northwest had a parity clause in their contract...



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User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

My apologies, NKP. I just read your profile and saw that you are an A&P as well. I'm sure that you hear things from other sources...

No offense intended. It's just been a long week at work and I get tired of reading some of the posts that from people outside the industry who refute what those of us battling it out in the trenches deal with every day.






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