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SNA-DTW Red-eye  
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Was looking at booking an upcoming trip in Feb. and noticed a SNA-DTW red-eye operated by NW on a A319.
Departs SNA at 21:40 hrs and arrives into DTW at 05:00 the next day.
When is this service starting?
Also noticed that the DTW-SNA flight arrives at 22:40 hrs.

Is this an addition to the route that was started this spring/summer or is it just rescheduled?
The current flight arrives from DTW late morning and departs to DTW around 1 pm.

Any reasons why NW is adding service to SNA from DTW, considering they did not have any service for the past 3 years AFAIK.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):

Is this an addition to the route that was started this spring/summer or is it just rescheduled?
The current flight arrives from DTW late morning and departs to DTW around 1 pm.

Yanno, CA-DTW flights are a bear because they're short (3.5-4 hours) but eat up lots of time on the ground due to the time zones. So there really isn't a good time of day to leave California for DTW. At least on the coast-to-coast red-eyes, you get one more hour to sleep. It must lead to a utilization issue for that aircraft.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32689 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Service started in May, replacing CVGSNA.


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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

What is SNA's curfew? I believe it was SNA that is a very restricted airport as far as curfew and late night ops, i could be mixing it up though

User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3388 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Service started in May, replacing CVGSNA.

The current service started in May this year. I guess it was the replacement for the CVG service.

When is the red-eye service starting? Is that replacing something else?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 3):
What is SNA's curfew?

Departure curfew is 10pm, and arrivals is 11pm.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3360 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 3):
What is SNA's curfew? I believe it was SNA that is a very restricted airport as far as curfew and late night ops, i could be mixing it up though

No departures between 22:00 and 07:00 (08:00 on Sundays)
No arrivals between 23:00 and 07:00 (08:00 on Sundays)


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3360 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Departure curfew is 10pm, and arrivals is 11pm.

cutting it a little close there god forbid a delay or some sort


User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3334 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
Also noticed that the DTW-SNA flight arrives at 22:40 hrs.

Correction: The DTW-SNA flight arrives into SNA at 22:04 hrs. and not 22:40 as I mentioned before.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

DTW-SNA was started last spring at the expense of CVG-SNA.
It has been operating as a daytime flight currently, but becomes an evening w/b / redeye e/b in February.

There a few reasons for this:
1) Rebalancing across the NW/DL hubs, and the different traffic flows:
SNA has service to DTW, MSP, SLC, and ATL. Each offers different connecting opportunities at different times of the day. SLC has the most frequency. ATL can get to most places that DTW does, other than some smaller markets. MSP compliments ATL and DTW well with more direct routings to certain destinations.

There currently are no redeyes on DL out of SNA. The redeye to DTW offers new opportunities and enables passengers to get to the East Coast by mid-morning, leaving the evening prior. The flight departs SNA prior to 10pm, arrives in DTW around 5:30am and connects nicely to the first departure bank of the day, enabling passengers to be in places like BOS, EWR, LGA, PHL, PIT, etc. by 9am.

2) Aircraft utilization:
This is essentially backside-of-the-clock flying for the A319, leaving DTW at 7:45pm and getting back in at 5:30am the next day. Its back in DTW in time to go out on the 7:00am departure bank primarily to the East Coast.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2795 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
There currently are no redeyes on DL out of SNA.

Not entirely true.

DL1685 ops 3x weekly with 73G a/c through 12/13.

DL1667 takes over and ops 3x weekly beginning 12/17 and ramps up to 4x weekly later in the month.

DL has had redeye service to ATL for some time.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2618 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
This is essentially backside-of-the-clock flying for the A319, leaving DTW at 7:45pm and getting back in at 5:30am the next day. Its back in DTW in time to go out on the 7:00am departure bank primarily to the East Coast.

Not correct.

The A319 arrives in SNA only at 22:04. The plane spends the night at SNA and leaves for MSP the next morning.

The red-eye departs for DTW at 21:40 before the plane from DTW comes in. The aircraft operating the red-eye is the one that comes in from MSP at around 19:30


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

SNA-DTW provides a nice alternative to transiting through ORD or EWR. I'm still surprised SNA has lost its IAD (UA), MDW (WN), and JFK (AA) services over the years to become a much more regional airport (certainly no shortage of flights to DEN, SFO, PHX, etc.)...


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2329 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
I'm still surprised SNA has lost its IAD (UA), MDW (WN), and JFK (AA) services over the years to become a much more regional airport (certainly no shortage of flights to DEN, SFO, PHX, etc.)...

You cannot classify SNA as a regional airport.
In addition to DEN, SFO, PHX, it has service to SEA, ORD, DTW, ATL, IAH, EWR and now service to Hawaii as well.


User currently offlineDenver11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

This is great, I always have to go to LAX for the red eyes back to Michigan, I like flying into and out of SNA much better. This is great for me!

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