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Frontier/Midwest - Revised Route Map  
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18179 times:
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Up until now, the Frontier/Midwest code share has been limited to some cities from MKE and the Lynx cities ex-DEN.

The extension of the code share has not been announced yet, but the Frontier route map has been revised to show it:

http://www.frontierairlines.com:80/f...ook/routes-timetables/route-map.do

There are still a few routes missing from MCI, but I guess they're still on the "to do" list.

I don't know how the Midwest/Delta code share is affected or if it is - the Midwest website has not been updated yet.

mariner


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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

The Frontier/Midwest group is becoming quite the well rounded airline it appears. We will have to see where this goes.

Thanks for posting that.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18019 times:

It does make an impressive route map. Well it would appear that we are getting closer to merger the two brands. I hope it continues to grow out of MKE.
On a side note I would like to see the Q400's here to do the short routes.
Also we need to have better service to some of the other Wisconsin cities like, LSE, CWA, RHI & EAU. EAU just lost service by NW/DL to MSP in early 2010. I know that service to DLH (Duluth, MN) was tried before however, with NW/DL had several flights a day to MSP, now DL will be ending that service to MSP in early 2010 as well. It might be worth bring back these two cities when NW/DL ends the service to MSP.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18007 times:

I agree. Seems to me, all it would need is a SE hub (maybe RDU) and the map would be complete!

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3126 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18000 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
I agree. Seems to me, all it would need is a SE hub (maybe RDU) and the map would be complete!

How about NK at FLL? That would definitely make things interesting.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5166 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17930 times:

Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):


There are still a few routes missing from MCI, but I guess they're still on the "to do" list.

That and MKE doesn't have a big dot yet, or larger font like DEN does on the map. It's interesting that it's simply shown as a Frontier route map, with just a small mention of Midwest. A portent of things to come?

[Edited 2009-12-07 03:32:56]


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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17840 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 4):
How about NK at FLL? That would definitely make things interesting.

Two of the top domestic airlines in terms of quality service aligning with one of worst. Sounds like a disaster to me.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17703 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
I agree. Seems to me, all it would need is a SE hub (maybe RDU) and the map would be complete!

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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17660 times:



Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):
the Midwest website has not been updated yet.

I think Midwest is having some technical difficulties with their website.... But I did see a post by Knope on Flyertalk that MKE - SMF is/was bookable on Midwestairlines.com. We should soon see the expanded code share with Frontier on Midwest's website soon.


User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17643 times:

I'd prefer to see increased frequency in markets where there are currently have only one or two flights before they announce expansion to new cities.

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17605 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 8):
I think Midwest is having some technical difficulties with their website.... But I did see a post by Knope on Flyertalk that MKE - SMF is/was bookable on Midwestairlines.com. We should soon see the expanded code share with Frontier on Midwest's website soon.

Just a quick check on midwestairlines.com and I see that MKE - SLC & PDX are bookable also with the Frontier code share.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17251 times:

Using expedia.com last night I was checking updates fares for STL-SLC.

To my surprise I saw all Midwest flights routing me through STL-DEN-SLC.

There was no mention of Frontier Airlines anywhere. It was using Frontier's Flight number, but claimed it as Midwest Airlines on an Airbus A319 etc etc.

For all intent and purposes it was a midwest airlines flight off expedia.com Didn't mention a codeshare or anything or "operated by Frontier". If We weren't smart about it, one would lead us to think we are flying Midwest Airlines and would have to check in at YX.

My next question following that is, can YX and F9 cross check us in regardless of which website we booked us on? If not..how do the airlines avoid the confusion of who is who in terms of checking in, if they fail to mention an "operated by XXX" code?

Alex



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5512 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17037 times:

The map should show Chicago to be *much* closer to MKE, a suburb, in fact.  stirthepot 


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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17017 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
For all intent and purposes it was a midwest airlines flight off expedia.com Didn't mention a codeshare or anything or "operated by Frontier". If We weren't smart about it, one would lead us to think we are flying Midwest Airlines and would have to check in at YX.

That's odd. It showed Frontier for me when I checked Expedia. The airlines are required to state who the operating airline is. I just checked Midwest's web site. I pulled up MKE to SNA. What I found intersting was the YX codeshare flight number is YX 260, which is identical to the F9 flight number, F9 260. Normally, the codeshare flight number is different than the operating carrier's flight number.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16963 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 13):
That's odd. It showed Frontier for me when I checked Expedia.

It did also show me frontier airline flights also. What I was getting at was when expedia.com showed YX, it didn't make a reference to saying operated by F9, as you noticed also on the YX website too.

I didn't really care too much, but for those not so travel-savvy it could possibly cause a bit of confusion if YX is not clear on WHO is operating the flight, or where to go to check in, UNLESS as I asked above, can YX/F9 Cross check in their Customers at the airport?

Alex



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16679 times:
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Quoting MKENut (Reply 8):
But I did see a post by Knope on Flyertalk that MKE - SMF is/was bookable on Midwestairlines.com.

I don't know if it is all loaded yet. I just checked Orbitz MKE-SNA and they still gave me all the Delta/NWA/Midwest code share flights, with no Frontier option under Midwest.

Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):
There are still a few routes missing from MCI, but I guess they're still on the "to do" list.

I had an IM from someone wondering if the physical lay-out of MCI was the reason for the delay in adding those flights.

I haven't been to MCI for a few years, I don't know what the security set-up is, but apparently it creates some problems?

mariner



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16634 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
can YX/F9 Cross check in their Customers at the airport?

I believe they can. I know Frontier has been working hard to combine the check-in and ramp handling at all of the 21 common cities where both YX and F9 operate. I know MCI is giving them issues due to the geography of the airport, but I believe they have settled on a co-facility there as well. Once all that is done, passengers will be able to check in at 1 counter at every airport, so hopefully, there won't be confusion for the customers. The co-branding is taking place right now. I noticed that pretty much everywhere that I've been lately has both YX and F9 signage. Both airlines use SABRE, so I think it will be easy for any customer service agent to check in for both airlines. Don't forget that all Midwest/Skyway ground employees will become Frontier employees on January 1.

I was at Taco Bell yesterday. It was one of those Taco Bell/Long John Silver combined restaurants. I noticed that even though I ordered Taco Bell I received a Long John Silver cup. I looked over at another table and noticed that the people who ordered Long John Silvers had Taco Bell cups. I saw a commercial yesterday for both Marshall's and TJ Maxx. They are both owned by the same company. And I still can't help but look at the Alamo/National car rental bus that is painted with both companie's colors and not think of Frontier and Midwest. I know there are lots of examples of corporations running different brands and subsidiaries, and lots of folks ask why.

Will both airlines remain independent brands? Who knows, but it is interesting to watch.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16522 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 16):

Will both airlines remain independent brands? Who knows, but it is interesting to watch.

I went back and tried again, when I go to the end and attempt to book it, it then states "Operated by F9" and directs me to check in with Frontier Airlines.

Alex



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16380 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
I had an IM from someone wondering if the physical lay-out of MCI was the reason for the delay in adding those flights.

I haven't been to MCI for a few years, I don't know what the security set-up is, but apparently it creates some problems?

With airline consolidation and airlines moving around at MCI, I dont see a problem with a carrier needing a group of gates.
NW and DL came together and share the B with WN. There's room on the C and a gate or two loose on the B.
safe



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16291 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
With airline consolidation and airlines moving around at MCI, I dont see a problem with a carrier needing a group of gates.
NW and DL came together and share the B with WN. There's room on the C and a gate or two loose on the B.
safe

I think F9/YX wants to stay on C because of the int'l arrivals. It seems they need about 4 gates. Can MCI accomodate 4 adjacent gates with the same security checkpoint?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16071 times:
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Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
With airline consolidation and airlines moving around at MCI, I dont see a problem with a carrier needing a group of gates.

It isn't the number of gates, it is something to do with the security set-up on C - I am told.

As I say, I haven't been there in a while and I'm working off hearsay, but I have been hearing for some time that it isn't the easiest to organize.

mariner



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14554 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
I know that service to DLH (Duluth, MN) was tried before however, with NW/DL had several flights a day to MSP, now DL will be ending that service to MSP in early 2010 as well. It might be worth bring back these two cities when NW/DL ends the service to MSP.

Huh? No way is DL dropping DLH-MSP...that wouldn't make any sense at all..



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User currently offlineReuschAir From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13949 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 21):


Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
I know that service to DLH (Duluth, MN) was tried before however, with NW/DL had several flights a day to MSP, now DL will be ending that service to MSP in early 2010 as well. It might be worth bring back these two cities when NW/DL ends the service to MSP.

Huh? No way is DL dropping DLH-MSP...that wouldn't make any sense at all..

I thought that there was an NW AIRBUS maintenance facility at DLH which required rather large A320s to fly to DLH from MSP frequently. Is that true? Was true? Also, living in MSN, it would be nice to know which aircraft will be serving the smaller cities in WI with F9/YX. Does anyone know which equipment will be used? We deal with CRJ200 and ERJ135s almost exclusively, except for an occasional NW/DL DC9 and frankly I miss the old AvroRJs and the space we once had. Flying out of this place is no fun anymore. How do you think this potential merger will affect the regional smaller markets?

Reusch


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

No ELP on the new routemap...  no 

Does this mean that F9 has finally ceded the remainder of the ELP-DEN market to UA? I'm really, really suprised that WN has not added a nonstop ELP-DEN flight...the market is there  Smile



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User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13864 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
What I was getting at was when expedia.com showed YX, it didn't make a reference to saying operated by F9, as you noticed also on the YX website too.



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):
I went back and tried again, when I go to the end and attempt to book it, it then states "Operated by F9" and directs me to check in with Frontier Airlines.

Atrude777, if this is the case, then Expedia is in violation of federal law. Anyone selling airline tickets is required by law to disclose the name of the operating carrier at the time a schedule is quoted, not at the time a ticket is sold. DOT inspectors routinely check airlines on their compliance with this law and fine airlines that do not comply. Agents of the airlines would be held to the same standard.


25 Mke717spotter : Yeah, but in exchange they are getting UA to ORD starting in March.
26 Post contains images Atrude777 : This is what I see when I compare on expedia.com You first have the YX/Midwest Airlines logo and their claim of the flight number for the bookings...
27 MtnWest1979 : Since Frontier's name is disclosed prior to any purchase, I'd assume it's ok. Also, the blue arrows next to the Midwest flight numbers indicates flig
28 Atrude777 : Actually, I wound up booking Delta Airlines as it had a non stop in the morning that I needed to get on. SWA used to have a non stop to SLC which I w
29 Post contains links Mariner : It seems to have hit the press - the Denver Post has it: http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_13947618 "Frontier can sell tickets to all Midwest dest
30 MSYtristar : It's working. Out of curiosity I went to the YX website and punched in a MSY-DEN trip: Mon. 6/21/2010 from New Orleans, LA to Denver, CO Fares are eac
31 KingCavalier : Maybe, but I believe you can only get an "Economy" fare if you book through YX (or any of the YX only operated flights such as MKE - GRR). You can't
32 USPIT10L : I am a F9 employee working at PIT for YX. I was sent to MKE for training and immediately filled out F9 paperwork, as all current YX employees will be
33 Knope2001 : Consllidating the branded workforce under a single employing entity makes sense no matter what entitiy they call it. It's double cost / double effort
34 USPIT10L : I think so. I don't see the point in keeping two very distinct brands out there but run it under one company name without integrating the product at
35 JBo : For now, the two brands make sense because each brand is more well-established in its respective markets. Not until Frontier becomes better known in
36 Post contains links and images KingCavalier : Midwest FINALLY updated their route map on their web site - http://www.midwestairlines.com/PlanAndBook/RouteMap.aspx
37 Sunking737 : That is one fine looking route map. Reminds me of the old Republic Airlines almost.
38 KingCavalier : I agree and it will look even better when the int'l routes are added.
39 Post contains links Mariner : And Jackson Hole - JAC: http://www.benzinga.com/press-releas...r-airlines-returns-to-jackson-hole 1 x daily with the E190, summer seasonal. mariner
40 Enilria : BTW, I got confirmation that the rest of the HQ staff (except marketing) is definitely getting the boot during 1Q10. The low-level people can transfe
41 Post contains links Mariner : I'm not exactky clear what that has to do with JAC, but do you have a link to that information? It doesn't reconcile with what BB has said: http://ww
42 FlyPNS1 : I would assume those are all frontline employees (gate agents, ramp, flight attendants, pilots, etc) that will of course still be based in DEN.
43 Mariner : And certain other functions. We know, because he has said so, that SM and all his staff will remain in DEN. There was a list somewhere - it was quite
44 FutureFO : SM is working out of WHQ in IND. He is a SR VP of Planning and Marketing for the branded operations.
45 Mariner : He says he visits IND every week. He is still based in DEN - or was, a week ago, and the list provided by BB last week said that his department would
46 FutureFO : I have a feeling that is a temporary thing. I have a strange feeling the DEN HQ positions will be sent to Oak Creek,WI. Just a couple blocks from the
47 Mariner : You may be right. I can only go by what they say, and what they tell me, but I am a very long way away. I can't think why they would move the HQ to M
48 Enilria : The 3,500 is basically just crew and airport staff (maybe mktg too). This isn't from an article. They are now telling key people of the date their de
49 Mariner : I am basing everything on what BB has said (about the staff and departments) and also on the presentation at the conference a couple of days ago. Bas
50 FL787 : What do you mean? You've heard both DL and FL would like to codeshare with YX/F9? That's very interesting. I was thinking YX/F9 was probably going to
51 Mariner : From the report: "The company must also choose which alliance partner it will keep." The only two discussed are Delta and Airtran, while saying that
52 N7371f : All I can say regarding what BB said/says and what ultimately will happen to Tower Road...I have read hundreds of postings from RP employees who say h
53 Mariner : Take as you find. So far everything I have heard him say has come to pass prettyas he said it would. He's a tough, determined man, and a lot of peopl
54 Post contains links FL787 : Is this where you got the alliance info? http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...et-of-consolidation-strategy/page1 I was under the impression that F9
55 Mariner : No, I listened to the cc. I've read the CAPA report since then and it seems (to me) to be a pretty accurate summary of it. edit: forgot - the CASM th
56 AVLAirlineFreq : I must have missed this announcement. Why would DL end service from MSP to DLH? Are you sure you're not thinking of St. Cloud?
57 NorCal : I think this statement from BB about Midwest was a bit of a low blow to all the employees who made that airline great: "But what we do have is a 1.1 m
58 KingCavalier : I find it amusing that you called me out in another thread about the G4 move to MCO and you went on record as saying you knew about that news a month
59 FRNT787 : I honestly think Bedford is using the cookie as a metaphor. I do not for a minute believe he is dumb enough to believe the frequent flyers of Midwest
60 Mariner : I am still very surprised that the Frontier/Airtran FF agreement is still in place. Given the competition at MKE, I thought Aitran would cancel it. A
61 USPIT10L : Yes, it appears if DL/NW is the answer going forward, SkyTeam is the eventual alliance grouping. But I agree, they would need some kind of premium ca
62 Enilria : IMHO you can't be an LCC (w/ low fares) and afford the high cost of full alliance membership, but we'll see.
63 Mariner : Watching the way BB has operated so far, he has a clear understanding of cost and return and if it costs too much for the perceived return, I doubt h
64 Boydatageek : The only way that joining an alliance adds value to RJET if there is one more unspoken BB agenda item -- Non-stop YX/F9 flights to London and Paris.
65 USPIT10L : If RP was interested in flying across the pond, and I have heard rumors to that effect, I would think the preferred market for it would be DEN, not M
66 Boydatageek : Actually I think that there IS significant demand from MKE, and the fact that the Chicago market is a drive away allows you to try to steal the low h
67 HermansCVR580 : Can you make it across the pond in a C-Series? Don't know much about the aircraft. I know airlines run 737's from the mainland to Hawaii, could they m
68 Sunking737 : Miami Air runs 737 to Europe on DOD charters. Now SY has ETOPS 120 so they can do the same. So you don't need larger A/C.
69 HermansCVR580 : Well after doing some research on the net, man I love the net you can find everything here. It looks like the CSeries would not be able to make it acr
70 Bigsky09 : Are you sure?
71 Mariner : I wouldn't say it if I wasn't sure. mariner
72 Bigsky09 : Ok, fair enough, it just seems like BB is in over his head with all of this.
73 Mariner : Most analysts and airline CEO's (except Southwest) believe the downturn is starting to be over, and if so, BB bought two functioning airlines at the
74 YXwatcherMKE : Well I have egg on my face, but so does the Milwaukee Journal because the had the wrong info in their article. After some digging through the recycle
75 LoneStarMike : Price stimulation could still be a competitive advantage. It might not make MKE a destination market, but it could make MKE an origination market - i
76 HermansCVR580 : If Milwaukee does become a new destination to/from Europe Frontier/Midwest, its not going to happen over night and is maybe 5-10 down the road from ha
77 Enilria : The only leverage FL offers Republic is the threat of selling YX (or F9 as well) to FL, thus creating a stable LCC hub in DL's new backyard. I don't
78 YXwatcherMKE : I would totally agree with this statement!
79 Boydatageek : I too would be interested in the location of the blog.
80 Post contains links TheGreatChecko : http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...o_Z%29/Stocks_R/forumview?bn=27614 You might recognize the name of one of the posters.
81 Post contains links and images Mariner : Much as I would like to see long range international, I've stayed out of it because I'm not sure of the economics of it with either the 737-700ER or
82 YXwatcherMKE : What is the DOT or FAA web address for passenger counts between to cities? I tried several attempts to find it and came short. HELP!
83 Indy : Major no. But IND does have a booming convention business and it is about to get much bigger with the opening of the greatly expanded convention cent
84 Mariner : It makes some sense. The almost throwaway line on the presentation is: "Boeing has also committed to improve the fuel burn of the 737-700/800 and it
85 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Consumer Airfare Report Look in Table 6. Note that each city-pair is only listed once underneath whatever city in the pair comes first alphabetically
86 HermansCVR580 : I like your thinking here Mariner. I see so may different options should BB and Republic want to go down this road. I have thought about many differe
87 Post contains links JBo : There is certainly potential, but in all reality, we're all just dreaming about that right now. I like to think more practically and see just how Bed
88 FRNT787 : The question is why would they? The Republic Airlines certificate obviously has them, and transferring them over to Midwest would just increase costs
89 NorCal : I believe the YX certificate is gone. I think all that remains of the company is the name.
90 FRNT787 : As far as RAH is concerned that is correct. The thought process was what is they were re-certificated, could they conceivably have their own fleet. H
91 Mariner : For some people - and certainly for me - the fact that anyone can be "dreaming" about expansion of any kind is a considerable and very welcome change
92 Enilria : I hope to god they don't even remotely consider something like Europe. They need to focus on the more immediate problem of FL and WN. There is probab
93 FRNT787 : What is gone? They are growing the number of destinations. In terms of crew, the F9 and RP crews are just as special as the YX crews. The average siz
94 Mariner : Once again, there is a considerable difference between what they have to do now and what they may intend to do in the future. But the two actually ha
95 JBo : I wonder if that has to do more with having rid themselves of the YX unions versus YX being its own operation. Although even if RAH were to recertify
96 Boydatageek : I completely disagree, and I don't think you understand the nature of the Milwaukee/Midwest Airlines relationship. Look at it in the context of a chi
97 FRNT787 : I honestly think both. The incredibly high costs of the former YX operation is gone, but so are the added costs of having an extra operating entity n
98 Rampart : That's a great analogy. I sincerely hope it stays true form. -Rampart
99 N702ML : Sunking737, what do you mean? I am NOT saying you are wrong or flaming you for your post! Don't take it that way! I am just genuinely curious as to w
100 N7371f : Well I don't think anyone can deny the history of BB and Republic when I say...already looking at new aircraft for F9 reeks of trying to find a smalle
101 FRNT787 : They have publicly stated that this is for a post 2015 timeframe. They are trying to buy aircraft when it is cheaper to do so (ie. an economic slump)
102 Post contains links NorCal : Seat count also plays a role in the amount of pay. BB will obviously try and keep the pilot costs as low as possible (along with all other labor cost
103 Enilria : So? They were not "loved" in MKE because of they served RDU. Originally it was because they offered service and food that was a cut above the other a
104 KingCavalier : So, by your argument, YX never added a bunch of flights in DEN (pre-Republic) so something was misisng with the YX in-flight service? That is what yo
105 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In lieu of starting a new thread it looks like there will be some ticket counter and gate shuffling at DCA between F9, DL/NW and AC http://www.usatoda
106 Post contains links KingCavalier : Interesting. I hope F9 gets a little more ticket counter space. They only had 1 (maybe 2 permanent) computers at their existing counter and had to pu
107 Mariner : Not unpopular with me, at least. Once the dust has settled, I'd like to see everyone get paid a tad more. I'm not sure why it is particular to pilots
108 GentFromAlaska : As it relates to their business core GE airs a commercial on various television networks showing a YX 717 taking off.
109 TZTriStar500 : Its a GE Capital commercial and its a Midwest Connnect Embraer 170 in the commerical. The 717s where all leased from Boeing Capital.
110 FRNT787 : How on earth does failing to add more service at s spoke city other than to the hub, mean F9 doesn't have equally special crews??? I am positively ba
111 Alphascan : It's one thing to be cynical. It's quite another NOT to be able to learn. On this thread, there are a lot of contributors to learn from. Take advantag
112 Post contains links KingCavalier : I guess this is F9/YX route map related. Frontier has just announced on its facebook page that they are days away from announcing a new US destination
113 Post contains links Enilria : Your point is that the F9 product is just as good as the YX product was, so YX should succeed. I'm saying there is more to it than that. People know
114 KingCavalier : I bet you're right. I doubt it's a Lynx station. It could be a former market that was previously dropped. I can't imagine RNO, LIT, BTR, PBI or JAX m
115 Mariner : Obviously, I had read that. It's rather different from your interpretation of it, which was: And which you said happened in a different interview. ma
116 Post contains images Mariner : Very cool - in every way.   BDL? JAX? Someone suggested CLT - I like that. mariner[Edited 2009-12-15 18:05:19 by mariner]
117 USPIT10L : Maybe it's GSO. RP was supposed to build a maintenance/crew base there.
118 Knope2001 : As I’ve stated before, Midwest’s loyalty, preference, and revenue premium don’t primarily come from the premium onboard service and *never did*.
119 Knope2001 : I'll throw my hat into the ring for Pittsburgh being the new Frontier destination.
120 FRNT787 : Absolutely top-notch post. ---- I am looking forward to a new destination, and I wonder if it will be something really interesting like the OKC servi
121 Post contains links Mariner : If it is to be something like that, I'd like to see it involve COS: http://www.gazette.com/articles/springs-90837-passenger-airport.html CSG: "The nu
122 ERJ170 : I'm going to guess RDU. It would be a new Frontier city, as right now it's not quite a Midwest city.. and it would make since if Midwest is going to
123 FRNT787 : That seems possible, I was thinking it may be a similar announcement to a recent YX announcement...similar to the OKC and OMA announcements being rel
124 DLHFLYER : Here's the deal with Duluth. It has always been heavily monopolized by NW. Due to its somewhat big size, it has attracted the likes of American (twic
125 USPIT10L : Well, there might be enough demand to justify a flight or two. UA now has two daily flights on PITDEN, one as an originator in the morning and one tu
126 Enilria : You really think those two statements are materially different? Talk about splitting hairs...
127 Post contains links JettaKnight : Apparently, BB doesn't read the LA Times: http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-tr-milwaukee6-2008jul06 or the NY Times: http://travel.nytimes.com/20
128 NorCal : That was a stupid comment to say. He just told 1.1 million people representing 50% of his hubs and a large portion of his premium paying passengers t
129 Knope2001 : +1 And for the record, it's 1.7 million people. And more than a few people do in fact come here for convensions, getaways, and events, but primarily
130 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : When a human being exhaled breath turns to crystal ice, at -20 Fahrenheit justifies Cold! There is a town a few miles outside of of FAI called North
131 MSYtristar : MKE has a lot to offer, but it's not exactly a booming tourist destination. I think it's " target=_blank>http://www.foodnetwork.com/diners-dr....html
132 Mariner : That is only half of the thought - which is to explain a point about price stimulation. You once complained in a post here because I had only quoted
133 NorCal : Whoops, my bad. I liked MKE the few times I've been there.
134 Mariner : I liked Milwaukee a lot. I had a terrific time, but I went specifically to see the Calatrava building, otherwise I might not have made it. But I'm su
135 FRNT787 : It seems most of you are either A. Reading too much into what he said, or B, completely misreading it. NO where does he say that MKE is a good for no
136 JBo : Exactly. Enilria just plain has an axe to grind. That's all there is to it.
137 MKENut : We're use to this and we admit the winter months are not fun in Milwaukee. But I agree, BB should be talking up MKE not tearing it apart. McCain made
138 Mariner : How is he "tearing it apart"? I don't know if DFW would respond to price stimulation, but I cant think of too many reasons to go there unless (a) I h
139 Indy : There are reasons to go to area. They have cheese... beer... and the famous Bong Recreation Area. Though the last is false advertising from what I un
140 Mariner : All of which mean that people go to Milwaukee for a reason. Dallas has attractions, too, but when was the last time you heard many say they spent a t
141 FRNT787 : As someone living in DFW I can attest to both! That is why people upset by this should dive into more of the presentation, and Bedford's speaking sty
142 LoneStarMike : And as someone who was born and raised in Dallas (and couldn't get away fast enough) I'll second that. LoneStarMike
143 ERJ170 : I'm gonna go with Charlotte since it fits on the left... Dangit..
144 FRNT787 : I love it here...but I suppose it helps that I spend much of my time at school in Prescott, AZ and staying with my dad in Newport Beach, CA...so I ge
145 Post contains links Mariner : I suppose I am not surprised - some seem ready to believe the worst of BB. As an example, there were negative reactions (to Republic) when Chris Coll
146 FRNT787 : Exactly right. I believe, CC left to achieve what he thought would mark a better opportunity for him. Every move I have seen Bedford and RAH make in
147 Alphascan : As usual, spot on. I might add FFP market penetration is a huge factor, one in which WN, UA or any competitor would take years of investment to match
148 JBo : That's pretty much what happened during the FL/YX merger threads. No matter how in-depth and spot on Knope's posts were to support YX, everyone kept
149 Post contains images Mariner : Or maybe not CLT. The third clue is that the new destination was founded "during gold rush." I think that also cuts out FAI, which wasn't founded unt
150 MASTYC : I would say telluride or vail then.
151 MASTYC : Ooops...I didn't see the second clue so I guess it's not Telluride or Vail unless Vail would fall under Eagle.
152 Mariner : I guess you've seen the last clue - that you will earn more than 3000 Early Return Miles if you fly the route. Good game. There is one that does fit
153 N7371f : New destination is Fairbanks, Alaska. Season service in the summer. ...my guess.
154 MSYtristar : If it's not Fairbanks, Juneau would be nice.
155 MASTYC : It must be Fairbanks. I believe Fairbanks was part of the Yukon gold rush and I think Charlotte is a little short for the last clue as it is only 1474
156 HermansCVR580 : So today on AM620 they were recapping different events that have happened in the area over the year, and one of the toppers was no Midwes no longer be
157 Mariner : FAI fits all the given criteria - as does JNU - unless they are playing games with the ER miles. None of the (big) cities east of the Big River were
158 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : They were teasing me. The clue could have easily meant Juneau (JNU) as the town was named after Joe Juneau a gold prospector. http://en.wikipedia.org
159 GentFromAlaska : As it relates to a combined airline I borrowed this from the last sentence of the wiki article Joe Juneau Uncle Solomon Juneau who founded the city o
160 Mariner : Of course, they were. It's good to see Alaska comes under the code share - Midwest now flies to FAI and ANC. Whatever the introductory fares, I check
161 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Because there is no current federal government city pair contract between DEN-FIA I hope F9 throws their name in the hat even if it is for the high su
162 Post contains links Mariner : The MCI routes have been added to the Frontier route map, and routes such as MCI-BOS are bookable on the website. http://www.frontierairlines.com:80/
163 Post contains links FRNT787 : Looked today, and for those of you (seems like everybody ) that noticed F9 thought FAI was south of ANC, they have checked their map for a second time
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