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Ethiopian To Join Star Alliance  
User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Looks like ET will join Star early next year
"http://www.goodnewsethiopia.com/2009/12/05/ethiopian-airlines-to-join-star-alliance-early-next-year/"

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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

Just a FYI, if you want to make your url a hyperlink, don't put quotation marks on either side of it.

Just post it like this.

http://www.goodnewsethiopia.com/2009...oin-star-alliance-early-next-year/

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9846 times:

Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9802 times:

This is excellent news. I have only ever had good experiences with Ethiopian Airlines, and I think they are a worthy member of *A.

Now, if I could only find a way to merge my Sheba Miles with my Kris Flyer Miles....


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9730 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.

I am convinced that Star Alliance is very happy inviting them. ET is one of only very few quality carriers in Africa and opens up many new destinations.

I believe it does match the Star Alliance quality standards. It may not be up there with Singapore Airlines or Swiss, but on par with for example SAS and Turkish, and definitely better than crappy Air India (due to join).

Welcome ET! I was wiating for this to happen since the days of the LH codeshare


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9683 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.

I do not know if you speak out of experience, or just an opinion, but I had only excellent experience with ET so far... OK, I am not a regular customer. I used them last yer for 2 round trips to and from ADD, and only once this year, but they where certainly from the better ones. It was better than OS or UA and waaay more better than MS or US, so service levels will not be a problem and their home base at ADD is pretty homey too... What I would be more interested in is what MS has to say about this. I think they must not be happy to get a competitor right in their backyard. I think ET joining *A is basically a kick in the nuts for MS...virtually they compete on the same market Connecting Africa with *A.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4700 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9656 times:
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Quoting Dalavia (Reply 3):
This is excellent news. I have only ever had good experiences with Ethiopian Airlines, and I think they are a worthy member of *A.

I never flew with them, but what I hear they are pretty good. So indeed it will be a worthy asset for the Star Alliance.  Smile


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9648 times:



Quoting Dkny (Thread starter):
Looks like ET will join Star early next year

How much truth is in the articles published on the site? The name of the website suggests it only report good news.

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh

ET is reasonably comfortable for those from the era which PTV, AVOD didn't exist. Their seats are not bad. Comfort on ET seems to vary with aircraft type. I am perfectly happy with their 767s but the 737 on ADD-JNB was a nightmare.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 3):
Now, if I could only find a way to merge my Sheba Miles with my Kris Flyer Miles....

It doesn't seem to me that ET has much cooperation (codesharing, FFP) with Star carriers other than LH. Is an "early next year" entry a bit rush?


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9573 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.

I think Star Alliance would be happy. Yes, ET isn't perfect, but at least they are improving. Once the get those old klunky 757s out of the system the overall service level will improve a lot.


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9468 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 4):
I am convinced that Star Alliance is very happy inviting them. ET is one of only very few quality carriers in Africa and opens up many new destinations.

I believe it does match the Star Alliance quality standards. It may not be up there with Singapore Airlines or Swiss, but on par with for example SAS and Turkish, and definitely better than crappy Air India (due to join).

Ok i agree that ET is improving but AI is much better than ET in terms of connections,frequency and atleast comfort, and its also quite an established airline.
That's why *A has invited.But these are my experience
I have flown both, ET 757 and AI 747,777, A321, and service was worth what you pay.
In ET, i flew BOM-ADD-JNB and what i had...my esp. meal was not there, my flight was delayed about 5 hours, and the seats were old.
I chose ET because i heard the same what you heard, they are a improving airline.I could have taken SA to JNB which was more cheap and direct, but as i'm a victim of aviation,i chose them instead.I am not saying they should not join *A.They deserve to join.But we should when the 787's and A350's come
So relax.cheers.


JK



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6297 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9411 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.

Give me Ethiopian any day over the following: United, Egypt Air, BMI, Air China and ESPECIALLY my personal "worst airline in the world" US Airways


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9365 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
Is *A happy inviting them?

I mean ET is a not a great airline in terms of comfort, and i dont think i will be happy getting a connection with ET after flying LH or SQ.
sorry this is my opinion, dont be harsh.

Star Alliance is happy to invite ANY airline that adds routes to the alliance. One of their airlines was nearly banned from the EU! That being said, I do actually believe ET is a solid airline with that rightfully deserves a spot in Star Alliance.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9350 times:
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I have flown with them many times in the HGA-ADD route operated with F50 aircrafts and were nice trips compared with AN4 or IL8 of Daallo Airlines.

Once the 787 fleet will be added to the ET network, their fleet will not have anything to envy to any other Star Alliance member.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9233 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 7):
It doesn't seem to me that ET has much cooperation (codesharing, FFP) with Star carriers other than LH. Is an "early next year" entry a bit rush?

They codeshare with SA between ADD-JNB-ADD as well.  Smile


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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9097 times:

Finally it's announced after it seemed it was inevitable...
They also made Sheba miles as close as they could to miles and more...



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8859 times:

Wonder if we will see service to EWR, IAH, or ORD soon?


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8815 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 15):

Wonder if we will see service to EWR, IAH, or ORD soon?

They already serve IAD. That should be enough to cover the traffic flow from Ethiopia to the US. Maybe EWR one day. Doubt we will ever see them at ORD or IAH.



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8748 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
Maybe EWR one day

i think this will only start after the 787's are bought.
this is because it will help the airline to rebrand itself.Its a decent airline.I agree.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3921 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8590 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
Doubt we will ever see them at ORD or IAH.

Never say never, my friend. I seem to recall reading an off-the-cuff remark from either a high ranking minister or even the Ethiopian president who were escorting the "Lucy" exhibit here in Houston, expressing a desire to see direct air links between Houston and Addis Ababa. That said, I suspect that those remarks had no merit. I too would be shocked to see ET extend it's services beyond the D.C and or NYC, markets (should an EWR route open up).

Still, you never know. If someone would have suggested in let's say, 2005, that SQ would be serving IAH, most here would have laughed (present company included) at the absurdity of such a route. The airline biz, can be unpredictable at times.

Thomas



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8466 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 18):
Never say never, my friend. I seem to recall reading an off-the-cuff remark from either a high ranking minister or even the Ethiopian president who were escorting the "Lucy" exhibit here in Houston, expressing a desire to see direct air links between Houston and Addis Ababa. That said, I suspect that those remarks had no merit. I too would be shocked to see ET extend it's services beyond the D.C and or NYC, markets (should an EWR route open up).

But is ADD a huge oil destination like DXB, GIG, DOH, or DME? If it is (which Im pretty sure it isnt), then its plausable. However, I dont think it is and the Ethiopian VFR market is really only big enough in DC to support it on that alone.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3921 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8420 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
But is ADD a huge oil destination like DXB, GIG, DOH, or DME? If it is (which Im pretty sure it isnt), then its plausable. However, I dont think it is and the Ethiopian VFR market is really only big enough in DC to support it on that alone.

I' am agreeing with you, I too do not see ET at IAH. I am just saying oddball routes do happen from time to time.

Thomas



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

AFAIK, ET is trying to start EWR, so maybe with CO in *A codeshare then?


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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8120 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 9):
In ET, i flew BOM-ADD-JNB and what i had...my esp. meal was not there, my flight was delayed about 5 hours, and the seats were old.

That was probably a bit of bad luck. I did HKG-ADD-JNB twice and JNB-ADD-HKG once, all the flights were on time, one of the trips I got on one of the 767s with new 777 style interior.

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 9):
victim of aviation

That is an interesting term.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 12):
I have flown with them many times in the HGA-ADD route operated with F50 aircrafts and were nice trips compared with AN4 or IL8 of Daallo Airlines.

Certainly, at least on ET, you know you have a higher chance of getting there alive.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 13):
They codeshare with SA between ADD-JNB-ADD as well.

Thanks, I totally forgotten about that, plus BMI to LHR.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Yes, ET isn't perfect, but at least they are improving. Once the get those old klunky 757s out of the system the overall service level will improve a lot.

I hope they keep those 757 and 767s. One of the charms of ET is their African feel. Going on one of these older models with no PTV, no AVOD, on well used seats feels like one is going to Africa, and the best thing is that one will get there safely on ET.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7276 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
But is ADD a huge oil destination like DXB, GIG, DOH, or DME? If it is (which Im pretty sure it isnt), then its plausable. However, I dont think it is and the Ethiopian VFR market is really only big enough in DC to support it on that alone.

But if there was a IAH-ADD-LAD then that would go over REALLY well in H-town.



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User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

For all those who think ET and EgyptAir "compete."
Check out their route networks. ET serves more destinations in sub-Saharan Africa. MS is focused mostly on Northern Africa destinations. There are numerous cities within Africa that you can access on one but not the other. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of African geography.

AN

PS - As I said in another thread, nobody second guesses the fact that Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and Poland are adjoining countries in Europe whose flag carriers are all Star Alliance members. There is a definite need for ET in Star.


25 KGAIflyer : In fact, ET has both O&D at Washington-Dulles -- thanks to large Ethiopian communities in Northern Virginia and the Maryland suburbs of Washington DC
26 AirNovaBAe146 : ET used to serve EWR in the earlier part of this decade. The flight continued on to IAD.
27 EwRkId : I guess it is too early to tell if they will reinstate that route again? I mean they have CO for connections and such, but i think we would see SA at
28 JRDC930 : Or any of the U.S. Members for that matter, i had the privilage of flying ET several times, and id take it any day over a U.S. carrier, especially UA
29 NYC2TLV : I remember seeing ET at terminal B in the afternoon while boarding the LY 0028 to TLV at EWR. Regarding an SA switch to EWR though, I spoke to someon
30 KGAIflyer : What puzzles a lot of folks about USAirways is that they're the world's worst domestic carrier, but their international service isn't half bad. Go fi
31 JRDC930 : no its 3/4 bad ...in all honestly its not that good in either class. If they are in Star. Then Eithiopian certainly can.
32 EwRkId : **Sigh** , but if EWR-BKK with the A345 gets off the ground who would have ever seen that coming?? So all i can say is we have to see.
33 Amax1977 : I 100% agree with you. What's next joining *A? Ariana Afghan? Execs at *A lost their minds or what?[Edited 2009-12-07 21:41:59 by amax1977]
34 Post contains images Jayeshrulz : Hey man they aren't that bad also... , Well anyways,whatever opinions maybe,i think they could have waited for their 787's and then maybe joined *A..
35 VirginFlyer : Just out of interest, have you had much experience with Ethiopian Airlines? V/F
36 Post contains links Etforlife : keep in mind Ethiopian's 777s will be arriving next year http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124883572152189105.html I think this is a great move for ET.
37 Swallow : ET has been flying since 1945, and AI since 1932. They are certainly an established airline that has been around the block and then some. They do not
38 Cchan : Aren't they government owned?
39 Amexair : Lets not forget that ET is trying to modernize its fleet by replacing some of the old aircraft by the new ones. This will not cause any problems as t
40 Post contains links ETforLIFE : http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...thiopian-airlines-buys-12-air.html -Interview with Ethiopian CEO Girma Wake about 777, 787, & A350 "We have pla
41 USFlyer MSP : I think this a great move for Star Alliance. ET is a great airline and this makes Star the dominant alliance within Africa as two of three "reputable"
42 Cptgirmaytesfa : Congrats ET, that was well about time. I think it would make sense to concentrate all on IAD.The DC area is just a great catchment area for ET. On top
43 AerorobNZ : The best news in Alliance terms in a long time. I look forward to being able to earn points with them when I head back to Africa next year.
44 Amexair : Please lets not be ignorant. I know ET is not one of the fanciest and luxurious airline as compared to the others in the league but its pretty obviou
45 Jayeshrulz : Exactly, but they do have a chance of becoming a nice carrier once their T7's are delivered, I shall expect a nice ads and they should publicize thei
46 Post contains links Dkny : "Star Alliance is holding exploratory talks with Ethiopian Airlines and will discuss the African carrier's potential membership at its chief executive
47 Swallow : Yes they are fully govt.owned but operate autonomously.. The govt. does not interfere in the way the airline is run as happens to SA
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