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Double Crew, Who Started It?  
User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

I was on EK flight 216 from LAX to DXB, i knew that the flight got double crew compared to a short-haul flights.
Which Airline was the first to apply such system and when, what are the rules that make the airline to put double crew, how many hours is required for it ?

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User currently offlineMAN2SIN2BKK From Thailand, joined Feb 2009, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Prior to moving to Asia in 97 I used to fly regularly with KLM on SIN/SEL/BKK/HKG to AMS and regularly the Captain would inform the passengers that due to the length of the flight there was a relief crew and not to be surprised to see any of them in the cabin during the flight.

These flights are about 12 - 13 hours


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Its not always a double crew exactly. Some airlines use second officers. So you may have a very junior pilot stand in for either the Captain or FO


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User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

In addition, some countries have a requirements that the pilots who took off should land the aircraft.
So the extra pilots will not do the tough job.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2035 times:



Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
Which Airline was the first to apply such system and when,

My guess would be Imperial Airways back in the late 1920s or early 1930s.

Some of their aircraft got to the point of range where they needed two crews to make the long overwater flights. By the end of the prop era some aircraft were capable of 12-16 hour flights.

Back in the early 70s, US Navy EC-121 Lockheed Constellations I flew upon used two flight deck crews because we stayed airborne over 16 hours.

The practice of second crews / extra crew members faded for the airlines as the jets came into common usage. It was cheaper to swap crews at stops rather than use the seats for off-duty crew.

But in the past 10-15 years, the practice has come back as the newer jets have extended there ranges to the point of needing relief for the flight crew.

I think some cargo airlines never got compeltely away from the practice.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

At my previous airline, certain routes carried "heavy" pilots who enabled the flying pilots to get proper rest. An extra flight crew member was added over certain flight length and then the longer routes such as LON-Asia had 2 extra pilots, normally another Captain and First Officer so there would be two sets. The same pilots who did the takeoff would also do the landing, hence the name "heavy" for the other two.


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