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Norwegian Air Shuttle Plans 20 Long Haul Routes  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3834 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11616 times:

The Norwegian airline NORWEGIAN ( Norwegian Air Shuttle ) announces that they are ready and plans for 20 long haul routes within 4 to 5 years.

They plan on several destinations in Asia and the USA from Scandinavia:

New York and Bangkok has been mentioned earlier and now Norwegian indicates further destinations, like Miami and the American west coast. New Dehli and Bejing

Norwegian plans on leasing the planes for the intercontinental routes and spread departures from Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm. The financing of the longhaul operations are planned to be kept seperate from the rest of the business.


http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/nyheter/article3412270.ece



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Norwegian is now going after SAS in a serious way...

[Edited 2009-12-08 15:18:33]

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11461 times:

It would be interesting to see them at MIA - maybe 2w OSL/2w ARN/3w CPH. The local market is there, and FLL has charters to all three airports.

Though, still, I think the chances of this getting off the ground are dubious right now.



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11309 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
It would be interesting to see them at MIA - maybe 2w OSL/2w ARN/3w CPH.

How do traffic rights work for the Scandinavian countries? What sorts of permissions would DY need? And what is their capital structure: i.e., what's the business plan?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11293 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 2):

How do traffic rights work for the Scandinavian countries? What sorts of permissions would DY need? And what is their capital structure: i.e., what's the business plan?

Any EU carrier can fly any route between any U.S. city and any EU city, regardless of the carrier's nationality. While Norway is not part of the EU, it, along with Iceland, is part of EU-U.S. Open Skies.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11264 times:
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I want OSL-MSP! Lots of Norwegians here  Smile


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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

Lots of words so far and no action. They haven't signed for any aircraft yet, and if they want to set uo an independent subsidiary, they will need an AOC. So there went 2010 ...
Don't expect any thing until earliest Summer 2011.



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11086 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

Thanks -- I guess I should have known that....

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):

Of course, NW has tried this several times, back in the good old days before the economy was in the doldrums.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11039 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 6):
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):

Of course, NW has tried this several times, back in the good old days before the economy was in the doldrums.

They've only tried Oslo twice to my knowledge. From Miami in the early 1980s (not sure if it ever even launched) and from Minneapolis in 1998 (lasted about five months).



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11024 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
They've only tried Oslo twice to my knowledge. From Miami in the early 1980s (not sure if it ever even launched) and from Minneapolis in 1998 (lasted about five months).

Correct about MSP in 1998 for five months. There was service from MIA in the early 80s via JFK once or twice a week, perhaps via LGW some of the time, and, I believe, weekly service from MSP in the early-mid 80s as well (winding up in '85 or so?). Route maps from the time show one or the other of these services continuing on to ARN.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Do they expect SAS to fail completely or to go European only conncecting through FRA?

If you want to profit from the downturn, you have to invest and prepare now. Getting aircraft should not be difficult now.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10333 times:

Cool if Norwegian seriously expands to the long haul market. Finnair owns a small slice of Norwegian, perhaps those two are cooking something together...

[Edited 2009-12-09 08:30:53]

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10297 times:

What kind of product does DY plan to offer on its long-haul flights? I know DXB is a 737 with all Y, but what about New York, BKK etc?

User currently offlineLazialeMKD From French Polynesia, joined Oct 2009, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9944 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
I want OSL-MSP! Lots of Norwegians here Smile

Yes, that's right. I was at a keg party few years ago in La Crosse, WI, and the house was full with Norwegian flags and cute blondie girls :P


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9887 times:
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I'm holding out hope that Norwegian will serve SEA in the not-too-distant future.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9623 times:



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 11):
What kind of product does DY plan to offer on its long-haul flights? I know DXB is a 737 with all Y, but what about New York, BKK etc?

Airbus 330 most likely


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9206 times:



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 11):
What kind of product does DY plan to offer on its long-haul flights? I know DXB is a 737 with all Y, but what about New York, BKK etc?

I thought there was a thread recently that mentioned their interest in 787, or am I wrong?



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8968 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 15):
I thought there was a thread recently that mentioned their interest in 787, or am I wrong?

I would not be surprised to learn that they're interested in the 787, but I would be very surprised to learn that they've got slots for 787 delivery for any time between 2010-2014.



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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

Pretty ambitious. Didn't Tower Air operate a short lived scheduled programme from Miami to Scandinavia in the early 90s as well ?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8802 times:



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 17):
Didn't Tower Air operate a short lived scheduled programme from Miami to Scandinavia in the early 90s as well ?

Tower Air flew to Scandinavia from New York City.



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

Would be excellent to see a few weekly flights to MSP in the spring and summer.  Smile


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 19):
Would be excellent to see a few weekly flights to MSP in the spring and summer. Smile

Traffic between Minneapolis and Norway is one of the most absurdly overstated things on this board.

The local O&D between Minneapolis and Oslo is less than 30 PDEW. Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, and Chicago are all 100-250% larger markets.

While there are certainly other reasons Norwegian could potentially succeed in Minneapolis, the local market is not one of them.

[Edited 2009-12-09 13:08:04]


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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

If DY is partially owned by AY, would we look to see DY ever joining oneworld as an associate member? That way they could operate JFK services to AA's T8.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

They Dream big during the Norwegian winter don't they Big grin


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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8226 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 11):
What kind of product does DY plan to offer on its long-haul flights? I know DXB is a 737 with all Y, but what about New York, BKK etc?

Airbus 330 most likely

I meant what kind of on-board product


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

Some rumours said some weeks ago they will receive the very first 787s (prototypes) , thus allowing them to get them quickly.No matter for them these very first 787s will be overweight.

25 VC10DC10 : LOL, yes, you were definitely in Minnesota or Wisconsin! It's obviously the wrong time in the economic cycle to propose this, but OSL strikes me as a
26 SASDC8 : DY is a LCC and this is just a big wet dream of DY founder Bjørn Kjos. I will not believe anything that guy and his company says until they have sign
27 Mortyman : Finnair only has a 5 % stake in Norwegian. Doubt Finnair has much to say in relations to Norwegian with such a small stake. So far, Norwegian has man
28 CXA330300 : I can vaguely imagine an OSL-PEK route working, especially if they can pull traffic from the UK and France. There's definitely traffic enough for a Pa
29 Mortyman : Pakistan International is already flying from Oslo. Has done for several years
30 Indy : Do you by any chance remember the address? Seriously though... would MSP-OSL work better as a winter seasonal destination? My thinking is that MSP is
31 Someone83 : That's a pure financial investment from Finnair, and was part of the payment they received after Norwegian bought FlyNordic from Finnair a few years
32 Kevin777 : Norwegian is doing well on the Scandinavian and European markets, and they're giving SAS a good fight for leisure- and incresingly business passengers
33 RedChili : They also had a flight MIA-ARN. I don't know how long it lasted, but I know they operated it in 1990-91. It was a weekly flight. With November and De
34 Mortyman : Norwegian don't need to turn to this for publicity. They have alot of publicity as it is.
35 Falcon Flyer : I thought I remembered that but wasn't sure. Thanks.
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