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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1168 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3837 times:
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Crains Chicago Business News Flash:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=36389&ba=1

Summary: United is asking Embraer to participating in tender for narrow body a/c? Are they looking for a new clean sheet design perhaps to offer competition to the C-series?

Interesting that they seem to be totally open to alternatives other than A or B!

[Edited 2009-12-09 12:45:27 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

I doubt that this is for a new plane, but the 190 or 195 would be a pretty nice fit for them and be a good replacement for the 737s that have been retired.

But, on another note, the fact that this has come out and UA is looking for other players makes me think that they may not have been too happy with the offers they have gotten from Airbus and Boeing.



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User currently offlineMSNDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3774 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
But, on another note, the fact that this has come out and UA is looking for other players makes me think that they may not have been too happy with the offers they have gotten from Airbus and Boeing.

My hunch is they need a 100 seater and the A&B offerings just don't cut it.


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Great, more Regional sized jets flying for a mainline operation...if they do go the E190 route, hopefully it will be UA Mainline pilots flying them for Mainline payscales.


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User currently offlineUal727ne From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

I would LOVE to see the 190/195 in UA colors. I been wanting to ask if it would be a good replacement for the 737's but i never sign on much anymore. I just sit here and read read read. I think it would be a smart move to go this route, then again i don't really know for sure. Just my .02


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User currently offlineBioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Any news on whether Bombardier has been invited to submit a bid as well?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

A carrot for the pilots imo.

United has stated it is interested in operating large RJs, and even made mention of this as part of its broader contract negotiation goals.
The framing of this is more of a carrot for the pilots to come up with a appropriate compelling pay rate for the type to operate on property in return to get many of the furloughed folks back.(some 1400+ currently with more furloughs scheduled in early 2010)

The UAL ALPA chair stated the following just this week. "There still remains a significant gap in the 70 -- 120 seat range. The pilots of United Airlines are dependent on those growth opportunities and remain willing to work with United to regain the airline's preeminence."



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I smell another split order...

EMB 190-195 or C-Series (or even MRJ) for the bottom end to replace some of the retired 735s
+
Maybe a few A320s for the mid-sized to replace some of the retired 733s
+
An improved A321 for the top end to replace the 757s in the long term

Sorry Boeing...you lost this year's ago...


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3291 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
Maybe a few A320s for the mid-sized to replace some of the retired 733s

Why not more 319s? They were plans to originally order more, long since cancelled.


User currently offlineCarlisle From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 271 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3241 times:



Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 3):
Great, more Regional sized jets flying for a mainline operation

I know, it sucks, and I whole-heartedly agree with you.

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 3):
if they do go the E190 route, hopefully it will be UA Mainline pilots flying them for Mainline payscales.

I just read a nice article regarding this over the past weekend:
http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/articles/502073?pageNumber=1

I agree that UA should order more 319s as they are more comfortable, flown with mainstream UA pilots and I would feel a hell of a lot safer in one of those during a major rainstorm such as the one I flew in a week ago on a CRJ-200.

Carlisle



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User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3115 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
Sorry Boeing...you lost this year's ago...

Why assume no Boeing?


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3088 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 10):
Why assume no Boeing?

737s have left the fleet. Airbuses have remained. Speculation is that UA is looking to order more 32X aircraft. 737 in its current form is not going to cut it for UA.


User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

I do believe that this narrowbody order will be to REPLACE the 757 and A3xx fleets, as they will be getting rather "long in the tooth" as we pass 2010 and approach the 2020 timeframe. 757 replacements first (oldest flying), then the A319/20s. I don't see how more A319s will help, unless the type is superseded in the Airbus product line.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

The C series is in the game also.

UAL Considers CSeries To Replace 737s
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/commercial/?channel=comm

The upcoming narrowbody RFP will be successor of current Airbus and 757 fleets along with a "110 seat" component back filling for the departed 737s.



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