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Jet Airways 777 Diverts To Tehran  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5897 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

Due to technical fault while flying LHR-BOM http://www.avherald.com/h?article=423c7a4c&opt=0

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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9501 times:

Oops....... will nationals who are normally denied entering Iran being detained, or are all pax being kept onboard? Just imagine having an American or Israeli being onboard.... That hurts..

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9423 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Oops....... will nationals who are normally denied entering Iran being detained, or are all pax being kept onboard? Just imagine having an American or Israeli being onboard.... That hurts..

A NW DC-10-30 en route from BOM to AMS diverted to THR for an emergency landing in June 2005 due to a false fire warning (I think that was the reason). They didn't give American passengers any problems as far as I know. The flight continued to AMS after several hours.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9115 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
in June 2005

The key being "2005;" a lot has changed since then...hope all is well for the pax and crew. BTW, pretty cool to think that DC-10-30s were running BOM to AMS routes less than five years ago! I'd venture to guess those routes are almost exclusively handled by 330s, 777s and the like...


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9028 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
hope all is well for the pax and crew.

Didn't the flight take off a few hours later without a hitch? I'm sure the pax either remained on board or were released into the airport and closely monitored by security personnel..



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9007 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
Didn't the flight take off a few hours later without a hitch?

Yes, it did. I was merely speculating that, given the current political situation within Iran, you never know what they may decide to do when foreigners from certain countries mistakenly find themselves at THR.

777fan



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8989 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
in June 2005

The key being "2005;" a lot has changed since then...

Iran was a founding member of President George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" as of 2002.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

I think Iran actually permits US citizens to visit as long as they're in a group or something like that... Israelis is another thing though!
This shouldn't be a problem anyway...



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User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8758 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Oops....... will nationals who are normally denied entering Iran being detained, or are all pax being kept onboard? Just imagine having an American or Israeli being onboard.... That hurts..

Spare us the drama! Americans are allowed to visit Iran and frequently do.



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User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8533 times:
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I flew on a Delta flight from DXB to ATL in 2008. We overflew Iran for 90 minutes. Iran is a member of ICAO and most Iranian airline companies are members of IATA. There will be NO problem for a commercial airliner flying in Iranian airspace to use an Iranian airport in an emergency. If there were, US DOT would not allow US airliners to overfly Iran. Now, the other way around is a big problem. Iran Air has not been able to have flights to YUL or YYZ, because the USA would not allow the use of its airspace, which is often required when serving the Great Lakes area of Canada. This is a sore point for the Iranian public. That said, Iran Air is allowed to fly to NYC when the Iranian president attends the annual UN General Assembly.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Any details on the Fuel system snag.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8100 times:



Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):

Spare us the drama! Americans are allowed to visit Iran and frequently do.

Exactly. I don't know where people get this idea that Americans can't visit Iran. They can, and they do.

The more interesting question pertains to who on the ground is able to do maintenance on a 777, as is discussed in the Indian Av thread. We're assuming Iran Air did it? Most foreign airlines are at IKA by now.


User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7139 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Oops....... Just imagine having an American or Israeli being onboard.... That hurts..

I am the resident expert on Iran being Iranian-American and having been there a number of times so I will opine.

Americans are no problem provided they are not media. I have taken American friends to Iran and both the government and people are very friendly. Even now its not going to be different unless you are either a) media or b) somehow connected to the pro-reform movement.

Jews and Jewish Americans are fine too. Iran is not anti-semitic contrary to media reports and Iran will not normally even ask you your religion for a Visa (as opposed to Saudi Arabia which makes you declare your religion and puts on the Visa).

Israelis are not so lucky. It is the "Occupied Palestine" to the government. No visas regardless of origin, race, gender or religion. Embassies and Consulates of Iran will tell you flat out not to enter unless you have some special exception.

Palestinians would have to use a passport from their provisional authority or Syria.

For a distressed flight, I doubt the passengers would be allowed off the plane. If they had to de-board to make repairs, they would be taken to a holding area. I can't imagine them detaining anyone of any nationality but the possibility exists. THR has less customs now given that most flights moved to IKA in '07.


User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6130 times:

I would like to believe that all people are good at heart, situations just come up and cause weird things to happen!

That being said, we hear stories about the american hikers being arrested and taken into Iran... It just makes you wonder.



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User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5782 times:

I am sure they will be fine. Many of my friends have visited Iran within recent years. It is a fascinating country with a complex, yet surprising inviting culture. The Government of Iran is truly not a representative of its great people.
Back to subject, it is an emergency landing and the Iranian government would be risking a bunch of political face trying to take advantage of this situation. They will not have any grounds to stand on justifying any possible hostage taking etc.
On a side note, its rather sad that the media has been silent for most part in recent days. As we speak, many brave young Iranians are out on the streets risking their lives protesting for reforms!


User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5595 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Reply 13):
That being said, we hear stories about the american hikers being arrested and taken into Iran

I think those hikers were, in fact, media as well.


User currently offlineElal772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Two years ago an Israeli was on a TK flight from India that had to land in Tehran due to tech difficulties. This was all over the Israeli newspapers. He said the locals were so nice to him, warm and friendly and even gave him a souvenir from Iran.

So there you have it....

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English Article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/may/10/alex


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8450 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4670 times:
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Quoting A300 (Reply 9):
I flew on a Delta flight from DXB to ATL in 2008. We overflew Iran for 90 minutes. Iran is a member of ICAO and most Iranian airline companies are members of IATA. There will be NO problem for a commercial airliner flying in Iranian airspace to use an Iranian airport in an emergency. If there were, US DOT would not allow US airliners to overfly Iran. Now, the other way around is a big problem. Iran Air has not been able to have flights to YUL or YYZ, because the USA would not allow the use of its airspace, which is often required when serving the Great Lakes area of Canada. This is a sore point for the Iranian public. That said, Iran Air is allowed to fly to NYC when the Iranian president attends the annual UN General Assembly.

Iran Air flies to Caracas, Venezuela. IF there were ever an Emergency it is likely San Juan, Puerto Rico would a the diversion point since it is probably the best ecquipped field for such a situation in the Caribean.


User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4608 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
Iran Air flies to Caracas, Venezuela. IF there were ever an Emergency it is likely San Juan, Puerto Rico would a the diversion point since it is probably the best ecquipped field for such a situation in the Caribean.

IR did fly the route, but for a very brief period. The route is currently flown by Conviasa on a weekly basis. At the moment, IR does not fly to any point in the Americas.



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4449 times:

I also really don't think it would be much of a problem. As others have said American can and do travel to Iran all the time. I have a few friends who went to Iran from Dubai, said everyone was nice and the Iranians made a distinction between them as people visitors and any disagreements they might have had with the US government. As a practical matter, also if Iran *did* detain, say an Israeli, it could be a major incident and push countries "on the fence" wrt sanctions to back sanctions, also a lot of airlines might just pull out of serving or overflying Iran. Doubt they'd want to be more of a pariah nation.
To use another example, Even with US Cuba relations, being what they've been, US airliners routinely fly over Cuba en route MIA to Latin America, and when I was living in Miami in the 80s I remember a Cubana IL-62 making an unscheduled stop at MIA because of technical difficulties - made the spotters come out in droves.

Even the wingiest wingnuts usually have limits unless the place is like N. Korea or Turkmenistan or Albania under Enver Hoxha.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4339 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 19):
To use another example, Even with US Cuba relations, being what they've been, US airliners routinely fly over Cuba en route MIA to Latin America, and when I was living in Miami in the 80s I remember a Cubana IL-62 making an unscheduled stop at MIA because of technical difficulties - made the spotters come out in droves.

AA has scheduled nonstop service to Cuba via Miami. You just need the right paperwork to take the flight.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5897 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

From the turn the topic has taken It seems like the diversion was made by a US airline and not an Indian one, talk about self-centered.

User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4056 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Due to technical fault while flying LHR-BOM http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42...opt=0

Delay of 5 hours, seems not bad in this situation. I'd have no issue landing in Iran myself for 5 hours, nice airport tour!

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
From the turn the topic has taken It seems like the diversion was made by a US airline and not an Indian one, talk about self-centered.

You know it seems like a lot of topics here turn to the US point of view in short order.



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User currently offlineJohningrr From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Hmmmm...

As an American citizen, I would be outraged if my government made a political issue out of an emergency situation involving ANY foreign-flagged airliner or person(s) on board. Just the same as if a foreign nation did such to one of our own.

As mentioned, the 2005 emergency landing of the NW DC-10 was handled professionally, non-politically, and they were moved on their way again once the issue of payment for additional fuel was handled. From all reports, the passengers and crew were treated very well and as guests. I am certain that if an ElAl flight needed to land in Iran under an emergency issue, all crew and passengers would be treated the same. No country wants to show their a§§ to the world in a situation like that. I would expect nothing less from any airport in the US, nor Israel for that matter.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3707 times:



Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 20):

AA has scheduled nonstop service to Cuba via Miami. You just need the right paperwork to take the flight.

Legally, those are charter flights, not scheduled. They may operate according to a schedule but they're not published in systems and can't be booked like a regular scheduled flight. That won't change until the US and Cuba re-establish diplomatic relations.


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