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DL DAB Spring 2010 Capacity At A Low  
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Just thought that for the sake of something to say on a slow Aviation News Day, I would bring you up to date with DL's preliminary DAB schedule. I know that mid-March is still a ways out, so this is subject to change, but as it looks right now, Spring Break Capacity will be very low compared to the past couple of years.

DL's current schedule as of mid-March calls for the following departures/arrivals between DAB and ATL.

Effective March 15, 2010 DL will have 2x daily MD-88s and 5x daily CR7s compared to the past couple of years where DL had 4-5x daily MD-88s 1x daily 757 (and a CR7 occasionally thrown into the mix)

My theories for the large decline in Peak Season Capacity:
Bad Economic conditions are slowing demand for air travel (though I thought we would see a slight increase in demand in the first half of 2010)
Loss of Low Fare competition on AirTran. During the peak season, DL's many M80s and its 757 were added on top of FL's 3-4 daily 717s. With no competition, DL doesn't have to fight as much, though US still competes with DL here in DAB through CLT to many cities in the Northern part of the US.

Any input? I know DAB is "cursed" with MCO 1.5 hours away (depending on traffic and routing) and JAX is 2 hours away as well.

Anyone have any input on the economic effect on air travel for 2010?


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
Loss of Low Fare competition on AirTran. During the peak season, DL's many M80s and its 757 were added on top of FL's 3-4 daily 717s. With no competition, DL doesn't have to fight as much

This is the major culprit. Every market where FL goes head to head against DL sees significantly more capacity (i.e. BMI) from DL than would otherwise be the case...



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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2541 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
Any input? I know DAB is "cursed" with MCO 1.5 hours away (depending on traffic and routing) and JAX is 2 hours away as well.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
This is the major culprit. Every market where FL goes head to head against DL

MLB is cursed with the MCO blues too! (1hr15min.)
That and any major city with smaller markets surrounding it.(with a few exceptions)

I would say thats the main problem not which LCC serves it.(again...with a few exceptions.)

The only way DAB and MLB will see an appreciable increase in flights/airlnes
is to have a giant sinkhole swallow MCO up.

KD


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
Any input? I know DAB is "cursed" with MCO 1.5 hours away

That's the thing DAB and MLB have really no chance and sure Direct Air is eying MLB but come on...they'll both fade further into oblivion...



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

This has been the way it's been for DAB all year it seems. I flew into DAB twice this summer & it's been several CRJs with a CR7 & M88 thrown in since then at least. Surprising to not see Spring get ramped up, though. Maybe they'll change things around once we get closer to March...it seems DL's schedules change from month to month anymore.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
This is the major culprit. Every market where FL goes head to head against DL sees significantly more capacity (i.e. BMI) from DL than would otherwise be the case...

CMH is another great example of this. After years of 757s, 738s & M88s making up the schedule all the time, a typical DL schedule in 2007/2008 was made up of 1 738 or M88, a ton of E70s/E75s & your choice of a CRJ, ERJ, or CR7.

FL came to town & all of a sudden, we now see (for example) 1 757, 3-4 M88/M90/738/73G & a couple CR9s or 175s to ATL.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Actually, I think DAB is more cursed than MLB, though we got FL and they didn't. Not only does DAB have MCO close by, but JAX is a reasonable drive too from the northern areas. MLB only has MCO.

As far as I know, B6 is still open to DAB pending economic recovery though.

Subsidies aside, with WN opening PFN in the spring, DAB has another argument for WN to come in. DAB has a very supportive congressman, John Mica, who used to be on the Aviation Subcommittee for US Congress. He still does everything in his power to support DAB air service. He has gotten us many grants to support new air service. He is the reason that CO resumed EWR-DAB after 9/11. CO pulled EWR service for over a year after 9/11 occurred but Mica helped get us a grant to bring that service back. I am sure DAB can offer a pretty deal for WN.

[Edited 2009-12-10 16:50:57]


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Since I can't edit my last post, I will add that this past spring was still relatively impressive. We had many mainline flights, even the daily 757 to ATL for March, April, and part of May I belive. This summer saw an enormous cut in capacity. DAB hasn't had CRJs to ATL in a long time. DL normally hasn't gone smaller than the CR7 for DAB-ATL.


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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
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Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 5):

Subsidies aside, with WN opening PFN in the spring, DAB has another argument for WN to come in. DAB has a very supportive congressman, John Mica, who used to be on the Aviation Subcommittee for US Congress.



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 5):
I am sure DAB can offer a pretty deal for WN.

As much as I'd love to see WN fly to DAB, I honestly never see it happening. They like to have, at a minimum, 8 turns per day - mainly to keep their ground staff utilization as high as possible (they have a huge thing about avoiding outsourcing as much as possible). There just isn't that much O/D traffic to anywhere in the WN route network.

DAB's problem, IMHO, was the "mileage whores" who kept going to DL when FL was around, instead of supporting the LCC - same thing happened in DSM and almost happened at RIC, though the airport authority there pushed B6, FL, and SX through marketing.

If DAB could get their fares to within $100 r/t of MCO, I think the case for flying from there would be strong... cheap parking, super quick to get through, hardly any delays, and no driving - plus, they even pay the postage if you need to mail things TSA wants to confiscate back home to yourself!



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User currently offlineCmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1915 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 7):
If DAB could get their fares to within $100 r/t of MCO, I think the case for flying from there would be strong... cheap parking, super quick to get through, hardly any delays, and no driving - plus, they even pay the postage if you need to mail things TSA wants to confiscate back home to yourself!

Or if DAB had a business base and didn't focus on tourism. Sorry, DAB will never again have more than 3 carriers, the market just isn't there. If FL can't make a couple a day to ATL work there is no way that anyone else would even try to come in. Unless of course they get paid, a lot.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1893 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 7):
If DAB could get their fares to within $100 r/t of MCO,

They've already done it. I've seen fares drastically cheaper at DAB over MCO.

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 7):
There just isn't that much O/D traffic to anywhere in the WN route network.

BWI. Out of all FL's nonstop DAB flights, BWI had the best loads. LGA was second, and I believe ATL did the worst. I don't know how much monty FL made off BWI, but I know that they were the most full.

MDW as well. UAX had high demand for ORD. They ran it seasonal and was brought back by popular demand.



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User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1826 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):


Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 7):
If DAB could get their fares to within $100 r/t of MCO,

They've already done it. I've seen fares drastically cheaper at DAB over MCO.

Guess im doing the search wrong because im going to CLT on Monday and live 20min from DAB but will be making the 1hr drive to MCO because of the $150 difference in fare.
This is on Delta and made the reservation about 3 wks ago.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1768 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):
They've already done it. I've seen fares drastically cheaper at DAB over MCO.

DAB had some great fares earlier this year. We got in there twice this summer for I think $200 r/t each time on DL.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1660 times:



Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 10):
Guess im doing the search wrong because im going to CLT on Monday and live 20min from DAB but will be making the 1hr drive to MCO because of the $150 difference in fare.
This is on Delta and made the reservation about 3 wks ago.

I didn't say now, I meant I have seen it in the past.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DAB had some great fares earlier this year. We got in there twice this summer for I think $200 r/t each time on DL.

Very true, I did DAB-BWI r/t (via ATL) for about $176 or so this past August. My mother and sister did DAB-LGA (via ATL) r/t for $169 or something.

The best DAB deals are in the warmer months (May-September)

One way fares between DAB and LGA (though not drastic) are cheaper than MCO-LGA on Delta right now in May. DAB is $105 after tax and I believe MCO is at least $20 more, so round trip figure you save $40 or so per person. For a family of four thats $160. Not too shabby!



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