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Australian Aviation Thread # 33  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25075 times:

G'day All,

In Thread # 32 (Link) the following topics were discussed:

- New PER-HKT service and discussion on 739ER and payload restrictions
- Possibility of DJ ordering 739ERs and operating on the East Coast
- Qantas to reconfigure cabins/layout on select aircraft and upgrade hard-product
- Air Asia to increase MEL services in 2010
- QF A330s and Los Angeles
- V Australia commences Brisbane and Melbourne to Phuket 77W services
- V Australia finally commences services from Melbourne to Los Angeles
- Qantas takes delivery of new 332 VH-EBM, complete with new Domestic product
- Jetstar announces that it will relaunch Cairns - Osaka in 2010
- Qatar and Viva Macau launch Melbourne
- Expanded International Terminal at Melbourne opens
- Regional Express announces new routes ex-Townsville (subsidised by QLD Transport)
- Philippine Airlines announces it will resume Brisbane services in March 2010
- Latest regarding Tiger Airways & whether they're dropping ADL-PER + MEL-ROK/MKY
- China Eastern to operate seasonal Shanghai-Brisbane flights in February
- Garuda possibly returning to Brisbane in 2010, with Jakarta flights a possibility
- QantasLink increases capacity from Melbourne to Mildura and Tasmania
- QantasLink announces its returning to Port Lincoln in 2010 with Q400 equipment
- Qatar Airways highlights PER as a possible new destination
- Jetstar announces Sydney - Nadi flights from 2010
- Jestar's massive increase in capacity - QLD destinations see huge amount of new flights
- Pacific Flier announce BNE with services to Guam, Palau, Manila (Clark) and Tokyo

And the announcements keep coming. It certainly has been a massive few weeks for the Australian Aviation scene with a number of new entrants commencing services, long awaited new flights commencing and existing airlines announcing increases.

I wonder what is in store for the coming weeks?

Let the discussion begin!

Cheers

Cheers

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25092 times:

Looks like Air Vanuatu will exit the Melbourne* market from February 2010 and the Airline will also cancel its limited Brisbane - Espirtu Santo services. As a result, Brisbane - Port Vila will see an additional weekly frequency.

(* online bookings are no longer able to be made on Air Vanuatu's website, however the schedules are yet to reflect the abovementioned changed).

Cheers


User currently offlineKrusty777 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 24867 times:

Thai increases bne bkk to 12 flights a week from jan 16th 2010,keeps 5 day flights and adds night flights via syd.
A/C 777 200er on days 1 3 5 6 7 bkk bne bkk
A/C 340 600 on nights 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. bkk syd bne bkk


User currently offlineBNEFlyer From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 24850 times:
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Quoting Krusty777 (Reply 2):
Thai increases bne bkk to 12 flights a week from jan 16th 2010,keeps 5 day flights and adds night flights via syd.
A/C 777 200er on days 1 3 5 6 7 bkk bne bkk
A/C 340 600 on nights 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. bkk syd bne bkk

Awesome news for BNE! The first scheduled A340-600 service ever to BNE and TG bring back their 772ER, two great aircraft with two wonderful cabin prodcuts.

As well as all the other new services coming in, we're finally getting some attention up here  Wink


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24791 times:



Quoting Krusty777 (Reply 2):
Thai increases bne bkk to 12 flights a week from jan 16th 2010,keeps 5 day flights and adds night flights via syd.
A/C 777 200er on days 1 3 5 6 7 bkk bne bkk
A/C 340 600 on nights 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. bkk syd bne bkk

That makes another airline to bring first class to BNE, along with EK and KE. QF does occassionally fly first class to LAX on their 744's, but AFAIK it's not sold as first. First class is always welcome, but still way to expensive for laypeople like us.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3342 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 24545 times:

G'day gents!

Just a quick question about the prospect of QF 11/12 going daily A380.

Simply, do you think it will happen when QF takes delivery of their next A380?

I ask because I'm scheduled on QF11 SYD-LAX on 15/May, a Saturday, which is to be operated by a 747-400. I'd love to try and get on the A380 if possible (I'm on an award ticket in J [for now]). I've tried calling the AAdvantage Gold desk multiple times, and, not surprisingly, they don't have any availability for either the 14th or 16th, both days QF11 is operated by the A380.

Obviously if there is a possibility of this equipment being changed as more A380s come online, I may lay off trying to change dates for a bit.

Any comments?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
Cameron

P.S. Any Cairns a.nutters? I'll be there from late January to mid May!


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24473 times:



Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
- New PER-HKT service and discussion on 739ER and payload restrictions

Also was anyone else aware of the ludicrous baggage charges? US$600 per kilo over the 20kg's! bit outrageous but I suppose they have to deter it as much as they can as PER-HKT must be pushing the 738's range.

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
- Qantas takes delivery of new 332 VH-EBM, complete with new Domestic product

Any pictures of the new 738's interior for TT services and the new 332?



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 24301 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 6):
Also was anyone else aware of the ludicrous baggage charges? US$600 per kilo over the 20kg's! bit outrageous but I suppose they have to deter it as much as they can as PER-HKT must be pushing the 738's range.

Reminds of the bad moment at HKG (old airport) where they were famous for charging bags over limit, so they had an unaccompanied baggage service which did very good business.


Would be tragic if you have bought lots of presents on your holiday and you suddenly had to bin them or pay outrageous charges.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 24133 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 6):
Also was anyone else aware of the ludicrous baggage charges? US$600 per kilo over the 20kg's!

Where did you get that information? According to Virgin Blue's website it is $20 per kilo over your free allowance, which varies depending on fare paid or FF status. Check out the Australia-Thailand excess baggage rates on the page below.

http://www.virginblue.com.au/Persona...geallowanceexcessbaggage/index.htm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 6):
Any pictures of the new 738's interior for TT services

These pics are linked from the Qflyer website at http://qflyer.icns.com.au/qantas.html , under the Jetconnect 737-800 fleet list.

Business SilverWing II
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...icture1204-sicma-silverwing-ii.jpg

Economy Weber 5751
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/eoinnz/DSC01310.jpg


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24068 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 6):
US$600 per kilo over the 20kg's!



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 8):
Where did you get that information? According to Virgin Blue's website it is $20 per kilo over your free allowance, which varies depending on fare paid or FF status. Check out the Australia-Thailand excess baggage rates on the page below.

Yeah, it is 600 THB which is Thailand's Baht. Don't know where the USD came from. Right now it is equivalent to A$19.84.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23892 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Yeah, it is 600 THB which is Thailand's Baht. Don't know where the USD came from. Right now it is equivalent to A$19.84.

Lols was about to say the IATA standard rate from MEL to LHR is on $112 per KG doubt PER HKT would have been US$600 lols!


User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23810 times:

And another route from Jetstar according to the Herald Sun from July 1. This time its MEL-BNE with 2Daily. So Tiger will have 3 months on the route before JQ comes into the picture.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23733 times:



Quoting Krusty777 (Reply 2):
Thai increases bne bkk to 12 flights a week from jan 16th 2010,keeps 5 day flights and adds night flights via syd.
A/C 777 200er on days 1 3 5 6 7 bkk bne bkk
A/C 340 600 on nights 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. bkk syd bne bkk

Thai website only shows 5pw direct BKK-BNE-BKK.

even the evening SYD-BKK shows timings for non-stop ops.

Thai Airways Intl (TG 452)


dep: 21:10 - Sydney (SYD) terminal 1
arr: 03:35 - Bangkok (BKK)

equipment: Airbus Industrie A340-600


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23476 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 8):

Thanks for the pics, looks very nice would be nice if QF installed them on every 738 and A330, especially for the long trans cons.....

Screens look very similar to the NZ screens on the 320 and 767. Though from looking at Qflyer fleet guide there will be only one 332 without IFE which I can only assume Qantas will install?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):

Yeah, it is 600 THB which is Thailand's Baht. Don't know where the USD came from. Right now it is equivalent to A$19.84.

Thanks for the correction, when I was in Bali I rang DJ to confirm the excess luggage cost per kilo and the woman said to me "spare a thought for those on the new Thailand flight.....$600 per kilo.

Now i see when she said us dollars she mean thb!

[Edited 2009-12-14 03:47:20 by pilotdude09]


Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23474 times:

Also this in the news, the biggest resource related contract for any airline......

Quote:


A CONTRACT worth at least $170 million has been awarded to Adelaide-based Cobham Aviation Services Australia by Chevron Australia to serve northwest Australia, including the Gorgon project.

Cobham will fly fixed-wing aircraft between Perth and Karratha to Barrow Island to support Chevron's operations and projects.

The contract - which runs until 2016 - will involve at least five aircraft and set new standards to meet stringent quarantine requirements.

Cobham, the Australian arm of a British publicly-listed company, will import two new 100-seat BAe Avro RJ100 aircraft to complement three BAe 146 from its existing fleet for the service.

"The Chevron contract award is very significant for Cobham,'' chief executive Peter Nottage said.
"It involves the introduction of new aircraft variants and positions the company for continued growth in the WA resource industry market through to 2016.''

The Avro RJ100s will be brought to Adelaide for fitting with leather-upholstered, business-class style seating.

The BAe 146 planes can be configured for up to 94 seats.

Environment restrictions to safeguard Barrow Island will require a quarantine-friendly cabin and be specially designed to mitigate against dust, pests and other threats.

New jobs will be created by the contract but Cobham has yet to quantify the increase.
Cobham is now negotiating numerous sub-contracts to WA suppliers including Karratha Flying Services, security and pest control companies.

A new dedicated terminal will be built at Perth airport for the service.

It will commence with daily flights that will become more frequent as the project advances. The first Avro RJ100 is due to begin service in the first half of next year, followed by the second craft in 2011.

The aircraft have been selected because they are low noise and low emission, and because their four engines provide greater safety in the event of a bird strike.
They can use relatively short airstrips.

Cobham says it won the contract partly on the strength of its experience in contract aviation missions, particularly to the resources industry.

This year Cobham Aviation services has already secured long-term contracts with HWE, Minara and Australian Air Express worth more than $200 million.

Adelaide Now : http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...y/0,22606,26470954-5003680,00.html



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23356 times:

Possibly an ex-Tiger Singapore A320 going to Skywest mid next year.

User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23274 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
would be nice if QF installed them on every 738 and A330, especially for the long trans cons.....

Qantas has stated that no existing domestic aircraft will be refitted.


User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23259 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 16):



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 16):

Wont the existing 332 on trans con be replaced soon by another new 332 aircraft it has on order, and this aircraft will then also be transfered to JQ


User currently offlineSpkyflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23209 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 16):
Qantas has stated that no existing domestic aircraft will be refitted.

it seems very odd that they would get marc newsome to design a new domestic business class product and then not put it on cityflyer services! can someone at Qantas shed some light on a rollout?
i fly domestic business class and the existing seats are beginning to seem very old (despite the new covers)


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23067 times:



Quoting Spkyflyer (Reply 18):
i fly domestic business class and the existing seats are beginning to seem very old (despite the new covers)

The Millennium seat you refer to began to be installed in 2000 on the ex-BA 763s and now feature on all existing domestic aircraft, barring the 734s which are to be retired.

I imagine Qantas does not see it a priority to replace a seat model that is only nine years old. Most aircraft will have seats that are much newer than that. Unless Qantas decides to refit the existing fleet with PTVs I cannot see them installing the new seats (Silverwing II in J and Weber 5751 in Y).

Look at the competition (or lack thereof) for domestic business class and the lack of demand for the Business product. You will see why I believe Qantas is not going to spend much more on the hard product unless competition or the market picks up.

Once new 73Hs are delivered to domestic I do see them being used on the longer routes where PTVs, laptop power and newer seats are of more use.

I would love to know how Qantas will go about replacing the 734s on the CBR run. A subfleet of 73Hs with 20-24J seats, with a fixed J seating but a moveable curtain?


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22975 times:



Quoting http://australianaviation.com.au/dc-10-firebomber-avalon-bound/:
A DC-10 firebomber operated by US company ‘10 Tanker Air Carrier‘ landed at Avalon airport near Geelong at approximately 1335 on December 14.
The aircraft, DC-10-30 N17085, will be based at Avalon from January to March on standby to respond to bushfires anywhere in Victoria. It is capable of dropping 45,600 litres of water or retardant with an operational radius of 500nm at 310kt
In November, the Victorian government announced that it was calling a tender to lease either a DC-10 or Boeing 747 water bombing aircraft for the 2010 summer. “Large aircraft that can carry up to eight times the water or retardant of smaller firefighting aircraft are untrialled in Australian conditions and Victoria will lead the way in testing their ability to help fight fires this season,” Victoria’s Police and Emergency Services Minister Bob Cameron said on November 9.
The aircraft will be able to reach anywhere in Victoria within 45 minutes, while it is also expected to be made available to other states in the event of a major bushfire emergency.



User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22966 times:



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 20):

About time IMO. They really need one based down there every year. It was heart wrenching seeing the burnt forests on descent into MEL the other week. Not saying that the presence of a jet would automatically mean the fires would be nullified but hopefully it can lessen the damage. Wondering if NSW should do the same.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 22903 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
About time IMO. They really need one based down there every year. It was heart wrenching seeing the burnt forests on descent into MEL the other week. Not saying that the presence of a jet would automatically mean the fires would be nullified but hopefully it can lessen the damage. Wondering if NSW should do the same.

IMHO it could really handle all the bush fires, its not very common to have 2 major bush fires burning in different states, and even so it could probably do both. I think it is definitely a good idea.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 22821 times:

My concern with using such a large aircraft was always whether it was more efficient to get a chopper doing multiple trips or one large aircraft.

The large aircraft takes a long time to load - does anyone know what the exact time is? It also requires taxiing to the correct runway and other restrictions present in large aircraft operations.



M88, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73G, 73H, 742, 743, 744, 752, 762, 763, 772, 773, 77W, 320, 332, 333, 345, 388, DH8, SF3 - want
User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22804 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 14):



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 14):

Quote:


A CONTRACT worth at least $170 million has been awarded to Adelaide-based Cobham Aviation Services Australia by Chevron Australia to serve northwest Australia, including the Gorgon project.

Cobham will fly fixed-wing aircraft between Perth and Karratha to Barrow Island to support Chevron's operations and projects.

The contract - which runs until 2016 - will involve at least five aircraft and set new standards to meet stringent quarantine requirements.

Cobham, the Australian arm of a British publicly-listed company, will import two new 100-seat BAe Avro RJ100 aircraft to complement three BAe 146 from its existing fleet for the service.

"The Chevron contract award is very significant for Cobham,'' chief executive Peter Nottage said.
"It involves the introduction of new aircraft variants and positions the company for continued growth in the WA resource industry market through to 2016.''

The Avro RJ100s will be brought to Adelaide for fitting with leather-upholstered, business-class style seating.

The BAe 146 planes can be configured for up to 94 seats.

Environment restrictions to safeguard Barrow Island will require a quarantine-friendly cabin and be specially designed to mitigate against dust, pests and other threats.

New jobs will be created by the contract but Cobham has yet to quantify the increase.
Cobham is now negotiating numerous sub-contracts to WA suppliers including Karratha Flying Services, security and pest control companies.

A new dedicated terminal will be built at Perth airport for the service.

It will commence with daily flights that will become more frequent as the project advances. The first Avro RJ100 is due to begin service in the first half of next year, followed by the second craft in 2011.

The aircraft have been selected because they are low noise and low emission, and because their four engines provide greater safety in the event of a bird strike.
They can use relatively short airstrips.

Cobham says it won the contract partly on the strength of its experience in contract aviation missions, particularly to the resources industry.

This year Cobham Aviation services has already secured long-term contracts with HWE, Minara and Australian Air Express worth more than $200 million.

While this may seem like a set back for QF services into KTA it will affect DJ more. Their services are marginally profitable to say the least.



Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
25 TN486 : Can anyone shed some light on what "a quarantine-friendly cabin" is, how and what happens to make the cabin so??
26 Post contains links TruemanQLD : The White Paper is now out... it can be read here: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi.../files_white_paper/091215_Full.pdf Some changes in the forei
27 Zkpilot : About time! Whilst not always as accurate as smaller aircraft there is definitely a need for something that can dump large volumes quickly.
28 Eta unknown : Would it be correct to assume Air Tahiti Nui's now "seasonal" SYD-PPT service isn't "seasonal", but "dead"?!?
29 Pilotdude09 : To be honest, don't think it will affect anyone too much, doesn't take any of the public away from traveling as it is all industry workers, all it do
30 VH-BZF : Heard an unofficial rumour that Qantas next two A380's will allow them to introduce atleast twice weekly Mel-Sin-Lhr-Sin-Mel QF9/QF10 rotation as well
31 Jbernie : Depends on the fire situation... multiple small fires spread out over a large area.. call in the choppers... one big fire... or multiple fires in a r
32 Smi0006 : Have we got a confirmed date yet as to when they should be arriving? I also herd a rumour that we maybe recieving CI in MEL in the near future has an
33 Airvan00 : QF6022 arrives in SYD from TLS and SIN at 1935 on Sunday 20th Dec
34 Alangirvan : When will Qantas start SYD-BKK-LHR?
35 Post contains links Leonjunior : Qantas confirms that Jetstar is in talks with Airasia about possible Joint Venture. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/i...ks-with-airasia-for-cost-sa
36 Allrite : Maintenance, I bet. Both have fleets of A320's in the same geographic region.
37 Alangirvan : "JETSTAR and AirAsia are about to announce an operational joint venture that could save hundreds of millions of dollars by enabling them to jointly bu
38 Gemuser : My guess is not until about the time A380s No 16 and/or 17 are delivered. My reasoning is: Currently A380s operate SYD/MEL-LAX and SYD-SIN-LHR. None
39 VHMATHY : I think this would be great but I dont see this happening for a while. I wish QF would be more aggressive on this route and compete better against CX
40 Thegeek : I don't expect them to put the A380 on BNE-LAX! There isn't enough demand unless they reduce frequency further, which reduces their competitiveness a
41 ZK-NBT : Nothing has been announced and personally I don't think will be announced for atleast several years. There are only 3 2 class 744 routes being SYD-SI
42 Aussie18 : VH-OQE is due after 11pm tonight which is after the curfew starts...
43 Thegeek : Possibly a 3x weekly 744 and 4x weekly 787 would be about right for that route. I can't really see 3x weekly A380s and 4x weekly 787s unless the mark
44 Pilotdude09 : Whats the go late next year, cannot find any A380 services to the USA from SYD or MEL ????
45 VHMATHY : I think we will see more routes without first class in the future as the demand is dropping and business class seats get bigger and better. Remember
46 Thegeek : How come they don't make it weekly then? I suppose it's probably got something to do with the availability of 2 class 744s. Perhaps they could upgrad
47 Aussie747 : It has to be dead. As even this year around SEP-OCT they operated three AKL-PPT services a week. For this SEP-OCT summer they are now doing only two
48 Airvan00 : Yes it is now certainly due after 11pm. It's due at 1210pm on 21 Dec i.e. Monday lunchtime.
49 Smi0006 : Looks like things are most certainly slowly starting to pick up: Qantas to Restore Domestic Capacity and Increase Adelaide-Brisbane Services Sydney, 2
50 Post contains links Jetfuel : Poor bad PR for Tiger. Large number of long flight delays due to "engineering". They run their fleet too hard and the snowball effect can be serious.
51 Jetfuel : Tiger Airlines Update - Currently over 600 people jamming Tiger's terminal in Melbourne. They are down at least one operational A320. Flights have bee
52 The Coachman : There is always a cost when flying too cheap. People don't seem to get it - clamouring for cheap tickets but then complaining when these low-cost carr
53 NZ107 : I can just imagine the terminal in my head right now. They're lucky they're not in London or Paris or something like that because half the people wou
54 Jetfuel : thats about 100% accurate. The demographic they attract is bus passengers too. Any body else only flies Tiger once. They are the Ryanair of Australia
55 HKGKaiTak : I'm surprised they kept it so quiet but Skywest announced they're going back on KGI-MEL starting in Feb - eastbound on Friday PM and westbound Sunday
56 RyanairGuru : Actually Jetfuel, Ryanair has the best on-time performance in Europe (not that that's at all relevant). Admittedly I've never flown them, but cannot h
57 NZ107 : Looks like it's very much aimed at those miners. I'm sure they could do well if the miners find nothing better to do than to go to Melbourne for the
58 Jetfuel : RyanairGuru - Well I have flown Ryanair (I had to do do it) and honestly it was cheap effective safe air travel. I dont like the tacky cheap way air t
59 VH-BZF : Again as I can't confirm the strong rumour that I heard from an engineering mate of mine here in Sydney, though what I understand is that QF11/QF12 g
60 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=100467&nav=130 EasyJet's departing boss, Andy Harrison has been named as a contender to replace Br
61 Baroque : Gosh, words in praise of Sydney public transport, I will send the Min Transport round to sign you up!! What is behind QF suddenly announcing that tra
62 6thfreedom : Take off Friday, go the footy friday night and/or saturday, fly back sunday. I think they will do quite well April to Sept. I would have thought depa
63 The Coachman : Damning with faint praise is what I would call it
64 Baroque : That is more like it. Don't you want to work for Goldilocks? Meanwhile Dear Mr Enders Please send some more of those large double decker thingamies w
65 Post contains links BNE : Looks like your sources were correct. Qantas to Grow A380 Fleet and Launch Melbourne-London A380 Services Qantas announced today it had taken delivery
66 The Coachman : Call me cynical, but to keep the share price up? The share price did go up today if I heard correctly. But do note that all the additional seats were
67 Sydscott : Lots of growth for QF Group in the last couple of weeks! For BKK, I think they will make SYD-BKK-LHR an A380 but they should also start MEL-BKK-FRA wh
68 QF175 : The Qantas Group will make changes to PER/BNE-HKG services with effect MAR10. The Airline will move to late night departures from Brisbane and Perth t
69 6thfreedom : * In order for QF87 to connect, the departure ex-SYD will need to be pre-curfew, so probably arriving HKG 0500. It will be a lengthy connection. * I'
70 Post contains links 777ER : NZ has been given rights to operate SYD-RAR from mid next year on a 4 month trial. http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?nav=2&id=100465
71 Longhornmaniac : I can verify that they have changed the A380 to daily on QF 11/12, at least as of 15/May. I'm scheduled on that flight, and it was a 747-400, but now
72 Post contains links BNE : Rex Exits Mackay To Townsville Route Regional Express (Rex) has today announced that it will exit the Mackay to Townsville route from 1st January 2010
73 IndianicWorld : REX is in a very interesting position right now. QF Link are really attacking them on many fronts and DJ have launched on a numbr of their routes also
74 ZK-NBT : You mean daily BNE-LAX? I think as you say its probably to do with the 2 class 744s and the fact that the AKL-LAX aircraft no longer originates in OZ
75 Post contains images QF175 : BNE-BKK-FRA would be a plausible and well-received offering. Given QLD is the second biggest market in Australia for inbound Germany-based tourists a
76 IndianicWorld : The overall numbers would still be too low to justify service, especially when the yield would not be anywhere near high enough on the route. BNE is
77 IndianicWorld : In this case the direct numbers might look close, but what they do not take into account is the high levels of traffic transferring via SYD from MEL
78 Thegeek : The BNE-HKG changes make an enormous amount of sense, but I can't see too much advantage to the others. Perhaps they are required by schedules. The H
79 AirNewZealand : Also BNE is the redemption port for USA travel from SYD and AKL is the redemption port for MEL therefore, this will be reflected into these numbers. F
80 Sydscott : For those interested, I flew on VH-EBM a couple of days ago. (The new domestic configured QF A330-200). It's not on Q Flyer but they've named it "Tama
81 TN486 : Repeat after me "I won't forget to take my camera"
82 VHMATHY : There would be no point in the aircraft turning around in FRA so quickly as with the current schedule of QF 6 and QF32 there is a morning as well as
83 Thegeek : Good point. I didn't think about that. If you were really keen, you could switch the morning/evening QF1/2 and QF 31/32, but it would probably be eas
84 Post contains links Jetfuel : Air traffic controllers last week failed to notice the two jets heading towards each other at the same altitude, The Australian reports. "Air traffic
85 Post contains links Jbernie : The newspapers must have been having a good Christmas break, that or it missed their Christmas Eve cut off by minutes... given this would be front pag
86 TN486 : My thoughts on reading the article in the OZ papers was ...."must be a slow news day".
87 ANstar : Pacific BLue are launching Cairns - Auckland non stop flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays from 23 March 2010. DJ118 CNS-AKL Deps 11pm Arrives 5.30am +1
88 Post contains links BNE : There are some great deals from Tiger Airways Australia. Saw that Tiger have a nice cheap sale this today. These are the routes for travel in MAY: Ade
89 ANstar : Fire sale???
90 Jetfuel : Never ever again unless I want a 3 day trip to get somewhere and back... 28.5" pitch which makes a 1985 Greyhound bus feel like 1st class A fleet of
91 JQFlightie : i thought tiger was a subsidary of Greyhound
92 Jetfuel : Sometimes Greyhound is quicker to your destination than Tiger too...
93 Post contains links and images Jetfuel : Now it all makes sense View Large View MediumPhoto © Sarmad Al-Khozaie View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark H
94 Brad330 : You would of tought that DJ would up the anti on services to CNS and spread wings to more destionations after the new CNS-AKL services have comenced,
95 Westjet!Eh! : However, tiger and greyhound logo look very similar because they are "running" and same position.
96 Post contains links Gardermoen : Happy New Year all. Was not expecting this! http://airlineroute.net/2009/12/31/ek-kulmel/ So Emirates is replacing one daily DXB-MEL non-stop with a D
97 NZ107 : Another one for the milk run! Must prove popular. It's an interesting time to start up this route and adds a lot more pressure onto MH now that D7 is
98 IndianicWorld : Thats dissapointing news. cant say it is that surprsing considering the massive increase in competition to the Middle East now from MEL. Maybe it wou
99 Alangirvan : Schedule as follows: EK408 DXB0225 – 1320KUL1450 – 0125+1MEL 345 D EK409 MEL0310 – 0800KUL0930 – 1230DXB 345 D Seem like rather unusual hours
100 Smi0006 : Today QR also start MEL daily previous to this it has been three weekly! Interesting choice of EK to go via KUL now...as mentioned it does put alot of
101 NZ107 : IIRC this flight which has been direct leaves at some crazy hour similar to how this one will leave MEL. And funnily enough, it looks as though it ca
102 Gemuser : Yes, most flights to European cities that have only one flight per day depart DXB between about 08:00 & 10:00, these flights return to DXB between ab
103 Smi0006 : The current EK409 is connectable through AKL many pax do this it simply involves about a 5hr transit in MEL, the key cause of this is the loads are s
104 Ben175 : Does anybody have any information on EY or QR commencing services to PER? Both have expressed interest in serving Western Australia, and it's even bee
105 Gemuser : R-E-A-L-L-Y! I wonder if Centabet is making a book on the number of times this will happen? Gemuser
106 6thfreedom : According to the EK website, the service is only valid 2 Feb to 28 march. so this appears to be a short term change. The service will revert to non-s
107 IndianicWorld : Thanks for that update. Certainly better news than anticipated.
108 NZ107 : Now why would they do this for 2 months? Could it be a test of viability? The A345 is definitely not suited to take a milk run. But it sounds weird t
109 IndianicWorld : It was written somewhere that it was possibly just a short term cover for an aircraft used on the KL route. Not sure really but airlines these days d
110 ZK-NBT : 77Ws from August 1st on EK406/407, weight restricted I believe.
111 6thfreedom : Let's face it... February is one of the worst months for international travel from Australia. Loads must be really low, so EK is bumping up numbers o
112 IndianicWorld : Will be interesting to see how the new SYD services go. MEL has been a busier port for EK over the years and with the a380 and a new non stop service
113 The Coachman : I've always heard from anyone flying EK (from my circle of friends) that generally they've been put on the 77W via BKK rather than the 380. Yes, they'
114 Jbernie : IFE question for the masses... I see the comments on here a bit about QF finally getting IFE on their domestic fleet and then counter of the cost and
115 Smi0006 : I'm not sure it is related to the A380, out of MEL the non-stop flights are always more expensive perhaps this could be why, not so much the fact the
116 The Coachman : Sorry, the implication behind my post (whether it came through or not is another matter! hehe ) was that the 380 flight is the non-stop flight and th
117 Sydscott : So to my further annoyance QF 566 yesterday was also EBM! LOL This time I was in Business, used my points to get the flight. Quite nice. The only ann
118 Post contains links Jetfuel : JETSTAR has been forced to apologise to a visually impaired couple who were not allowed to book their guide dog onto their flight. http://www.news.com
119 GarethW : Assuming an ESAD of 6800nm westbound, payload will be around 52 tonnes, or to put it another way, max pax plus circa 15 tonnes of cargo. Sure it won'
120 TruemanQLD : Just a general question about V Australia... why didnt they use the DJ livery? I know they arent allowed to use the name 'Virgin' but surely by using
121 Post contains links AusA380 : My observations are that will find it is similar to the livery for Virgin Atlantic, so that if there is a change in the relationship with SQ and VA ca
122 ANstar : Beacuase the DJ livery is not that premium I would guess.
123 Jetfuel : DJ's livery is due for a makeover...
124 TruemanQLD : I would love for them to use the 50th Anniversary livery, IMHO it is much nicer then the red one. Are they likely to keep it like the Virgin liveries
125 Gardermoen : Agree Jetfuel - the Blue 50th Aircraft livery is much better and looks more "premium". I wish they'd realise that a livery update should be considered
126 Kiwiandrew : 50th anniversary ? , I thought that DJ were coming up for their 10th anniversary this year ? Have you been time-travelling to the year 2050 ? , Is so
127 Post contains links and images Jetfuel : Trueman means 50th a/c. Personally I don't think it's that hot either View Large View MediumPhoto © M Tian Reality is I think we will be waiting
128 Post contains links TN486 : Just doing some trawling through QF aircraft seat plans on http://qflyer.icns.com.au/qflyer.html and notice that there is no quoted seat pitch specs w
129 Post contains links Jetfuel : I believe this is correct. Remember that a slimline seat with the 31" pitch will generally give more room than an old style 'fat' seat with 32" pitch
130 TruemanQLD : Haha sorry about that. I do agree that the Virgin 50th a/c livery isnt the best, but I do think it is alot better then the red, and much better then
131 Post contains images Jetfuel : TruemanQLD I have heard the same story at Boeing too. I think that QF744 is so heavy due to the layers of paint needed as well. Use of the Virgin name
132 EK413 : The product on the A345.... And how many times has this flight missed the curfew @ SYD...? EK413
133 TN486 : IMHO, (and not knowing the results of any surveys relative to the "brand") I would agree with you. and I am sure brand satisfaction would determine t
134 AirbusA322 : Big boost in Domestic Capacity coming from DJ this coming March 2010. After this announcement it will really start to put the strain on Tiger as DJ ar
135 TN486 : What announcement (I cant find anything on their website). Have I missed this, or is there one pending??
136 QF175 : Urggghhh.. looks like PacificFlier won't be commencing services to Brisbane this week, due to the last minute objections of two undisclosed Airlines (
137 QF175 : *Rumour* Qantas 747-400s to commence SYD-NRT services from June 2010, replacing the existing A330-300 equipment, which will be moved to Sydney/Brisban
138 Jetfuel : I am not sure how they are going to manage with a 20 year old A310. I wish any new start well but seriously have concerns. Even their website doesn't
139 QF175 : Website is in the process of having an online booking engine installed, hence the reason it's currently showing with only a contact form. The A310 lo
140 Ben175 : That flight is one of the most dreadful services out of Australia if you ask me. The price for the product you get, especially in business - is absol
141 QF744 : Is this a serious discussion?? Do you guys seriously think Virgin Blue is holding back from using the Virgin name internationally due to royalty fees
142 Zkpilot : Well let me put it another way and see if it changes your opinion... The flight barely makes money and is not usually very full... so an A330 would n
143 Ben175 : I wouldn't be as grumpy if QF charged for what you get. I payed the same amount of money as CX via HKG and a hundreds of dollars more than SQ via SIN
144 6thfreedom : The choice is clear.... CX via HKG. daily proposition and a far superior product. why would you even consider going via Sydney?
145 Thegeek : Well, it totally makes sense to use a 744 SYD-NRT. Before the aviation downturn that flight was about 10x weekly with a mixed fleet of A332s and A333
146 QF744 : Because Singapore Airlines owns half of Virgin Atlantic... ultimately its about SQ protecting their turf in Asia-Pacific.
147 Thegeek : My point was that the Virgin brand is bigger than aviation alone. Why would (one of) their airlines own the name? Why isn't it in some holding compan
148 VH-BZF : Just heard a rumour - so not confirmed! As discussed here previously, the A330-200 will operate from mid year from AKL to LAX and then onto JFK. Not s
149 Dj738 : AFAIK, when Singapore Airlines purchased into Virgin Atlantic in 2000, they made it a condition of their purchase that the Virgin name was not attach
150 Jetfuel : allegedly 2010 sometime
151 Thegeek : Thinking about it some more, upgrading SYD-SIN-FRA to a double daily 4 class 744 seems attractive in a number of ways: Putting W class on the route, a
152 DJMEL : SQ must sell there 49.9% stake in Virgin Atlantic for Virgin Blue to use the Virgin name ex Australia two new names being rumored when that happens ar
153 Smi0006 : Ahhh gotcha my bad! lol I was a tad trired at the time Would love to see FRA out of MEL, via ??? SIN is recieving the A380 so no need for a capacity
154 Aussie_ : The VS agreement re the use of the Virgin name expires 2010, at least according to my quite senior contact within DJ... He/she says that there will de
155 QF744 : As far as I'm aware, internal murmurs suggest there won't be just one branded airline but at least two. Here are some scenarios: A) V Australia ::: be
156 ANstar : And Virgin Blue does??? If they don;t go for one single brand, then I would expect a 2 brand strategy like QF... Ie 1 premium brand and one LCC brand
157 Thegeek : Re: DJ naming I prefer V Australia -> Virgin Pacific Pacific Blue -> Virgin Blue Virgin Blue stays the same. Good point. MEL-SIN-FRA beats most other
158 Eta unknown : Does the Virgin name really carry any weight? Paint all the airplanes red and call all the airlines Blue.
159 Gemuser : 66Nm out of 9132 nm is a "fair bit" out of the way??? Its 0.7% further, maybe 7 minutes in time! You may prefer via SIN, fine, but HKG is not out of
160 Thegeek : I take that back, you are correct. It looks a fair bit longer on a map. Even PER-LHR is only 1129km difference. And SYD-LHR is shortest via HKG. Inte
161 Post contains links Gemuser : Never, ever use a map for long haul air routes! (Even multi sector ones!)!!! If you don't already know it, have a look at: http://gc.kls2.com/ Always
162 ANstar : Or just rebrand the short haul airline as V Australia. An article a while back stated Virgin Blue were being blocked by Virgin Group for having brand
163 QF744 : Absolute baloney. Why would Virgin Blue change the name of the airline given Branson is a 25% owner in the company? The move will be towards more Vir
164 DavidByrne : I'm dredging the dark recesses of my mind, and somewhere lurking deeply there is the idea that back in the days of the B707 QF also served the HKG-LH
165 Post contains links Jetfuel : Along with a few other regrets I am thinking that the Vietnam investment is turning out to be the #1 QF regret. It sounds to me like the locals in Han
166 Aerokiwi : Haha! Yeah, never understood that one - I know the reasoning, (cvalling red heads "bluey") but it doesn't apply anywhere beyond Australia and most of
167 Post contains links QF744 : The cheeky "Qantas-slash-Ansett" design, as Brett Godfrey called it at the time! Because they weren't allowed to use Virgin on the tail, they went fo
168 JQFlightie : maybe, just maybe.... if QF arnt making money on the route they could transfer it over to JQ as they would have a better product offering for the rou
169 Gemuser : Dredging just as far, if not a bit deeper, QF did not have a HKG-LHR route, what they had was a (TYO?)-HKG-BKK-SIN-(PER?) flight that connected in BK
170 Post contains links Gemuser : Digging a bit deeper I found this route network map from 1983 which shows a HKG-BKK route, unfortunately its only the map, no timetable online. http:
171 Travelhound : I think Anstars coments are valid. The real question is who represents more value for who. Virgin Blue has very strong brand awareness and in normal
172 Jetfuel : I cant find it in the annual report but being a Virgin group franchise/member costs significant money. If they were to lose the Virgin name there wou
173 QF744 : But Virgin already has it's own Velocity-branded credit cards and given Virgin has premium economy (on international and domestic) and business (inte
174 Jetfuel : I think you will find the credit cards are labeled Velocity and issued by National Bank. They are not allowed to issue credit cards nor are they allo
175 Eta unknown : The rebranding exercise is a lot cheaper than paying the big mouth. In such a small aviation market like Australia, it's not like it would be a substa
176 TN486 : I still lean towards this concept/branding for the whole group
177 Travelhound : I can't remember for sure (and couldn't be bothered researching it), but I think the Virgin group own the V Australia brand as well.
178 Post contains links Chinaeastern : now, if you try to browse www.virginaustralia.com.au, you can see that this website and virgin australia actually belong to a pty ltd. www.virginpacif
179 DavidByrne : Yep, QF did have HKG-BKK and HKG-SIN flights (if I'm not mistaken I think they operated a rather bizarre route like PER-SIN-HKG-BKK, presumably becau
180 Alangirvan : How far back are you going? In 1984 I was onboard a Cathay flight, which routed London Gatwick-Bahrain-Hong Kong. The sector between Bahrain and HKG
181 Gemuser : B707 days, 1960/1970 or so. The thing about China over flights was that they did not all open up at once. Depending on the state of relation between
182 ANstar : Well, there are going to be rebranding costs anyway when they launch their single carrier concept. That is Velcoity - not a Virgin BLue credit card..
183 TN486 : Are you positive that revenue figure is right, 26.354 Billion $??
184 Airvan00 : Virgin Blue's revenue for FY2009 was $A 2,635.4 Million. Some call that 2.6 Billion and some say it is 2.6 thousand million. Yes i think Jetfuel is ou
185 TN486 : David, I have been able to confirm those ideas in the dark recesses of your mind, as follows: QF 751 Monday SYD/MNL/HKG/DEL/THR/AHN/LON. QF 755 Wedne
186 VH-KCT* : Airlines have been stuffing around with their callsigns as a marketing tool for a while and Virgin is one of the worst offenders. Virgin Blue - VOZ -
187 TN486 : David, you are correct. QF timetable Apr 94 shows PER/SIN/HKG/BKK and return QF77/78 respectively. I suspect it commenced op in the late 80s/early 90
188 9MMPD : The ones operated in the 1980s/90s were QF77/78 with 767-338ER equipment. QF77 would depart Perth at 08:30ish every morning and fly PER - SIN - HKG -
189 TN486 : QF timetable 1 Nov 85 shows QF 77/78 op by a 747 PER/HKG Friday and return, and QF 81/82 op by a 747 ADL/PER/SIN Sunday and return.
190 TN486 : yep, Friday and Saturday connected with QF1 for non-stop BKK/LON. and vice versa.
191 Post contains links Airbusa322 : Tiger have had a successful run on its Investor Roadshows in two Asian cities this week and all shares will be sold. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e97d23d
192 Post contains links Gardermoen : Sydney's loss is Melbourne's gain... Viva Macau to drop SYD and instead increase MEL. Apparently MEL been a bigger success than SYD and hence they wan
193 Gemuser : WOW! Even after all this time you still learn things from way back when, that was something I didn't know! Wonder if they over flew China? In 1967 I
194 TN486 : Honestly Gemuser, I am a real "computer dummy", however my knowledge and expertise is improving, slowly. I now have a scanner (how good is that!!), s
195 ZK-NBT : Is SYD-NRT doing that well again? BI will operate seperate BNE/AKL flights from late March, BNE 6x weekly terminators 3x Daylight 3x late night, not
196 Thegeek : To be honest, I don't have the figures. But I do have faith that it's return to better performance is only a matter of time.
197 EK413 : The rumor could possibly become reality "if" JAL pulls out of the OZ routes? QF will be reconfiguring the B744 fleet... VH-OJK will ferried to tomorr
198 Jackbr : When is QF due to start reconfiguring the 744 fleet?
199 Aussie_ : Apparently the AN225 is due into Brisbane tomorrow (Tuesday 19th) at 1500 local time with an NH90 helicopter on board. I think it's the first ever vis
200 Jetfuel : Very Cool. Might be tempted to go watch it land. I understand there is only one AN225 in commercial ops. Rare chance to see the world's largest plane
201 Thegeek : Do you have any more info than that?
202 Jetfuel : rumour is it may only be an AN-124
203 Post contains links DJ748 : AN-225 is semi-confirmed - the ABC didn't mention the type, but would be generally assumed to be the 225 though. Here's the link: http://www.abc.net.
204 Post contains links Jetfuel : Its coming from Hawaii and its only a AN-124 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA2454 The press have had a field day with misinformation. Rumor is i
205 JQflightie : looks like all-new Airways is coming back to grace our TV Screens, airing on 7Two for those that have Digital TV..... didnt TT learn that this did no
206 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://au.tv.yahoo.com/airways "In this unprecedented look at the day-to-day running of a budget airline in Australia, all the stress and joy of trave
207 JQflightie : Do PAX still fly them? i havnt seen a TT plane in a long time.. haha and i fly into MEL, OOL most days ha! ... or have the bottem end leisure travell
208 Post contains links Allrite : Australian Aviation Thread 34 is now open and ready for boarding.
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