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Boeing 787 Good To Go For First Flight.  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5751 posts, RR: 47
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48648 times:

Just hot off the press:

"Boeing 787 Dreamliner Program Completes Static Test Analysis, Gauntlet Tests




EVERETT, Wash., Dec. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) today completed the review and analysis of the static test that was conducted Nov. 30 to validate the side-of-body modification made to the 787 Dreamliner.


"I am happy to report that the program has validated the airplane structure for the 787 Dreamliner," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program.


Fancher also reported that the 787 team has completed final gauntlet testing on the first airplane. Testing lasted for just two days because only improvements made earlier this year during previous testing had to be examined. "We are very pleased with the results of this final functional testing. With the successful completion of static testing and this functional testing, our focus now moves to first flight."


During the test on the 787 Dreamliner static test airframe, the wing and trailing edges of the airframe were subjected to their limit load -- the highest loads expected to be seen in service. The limit-load test was required to clear the airplane for first flight. Boeing's test strategy is to conduct all limit-load tests and analyze data before conducting the ultimate load series, which is required for certification and will be conducted next year.


Boeing announced June 23 that it was necessary to reinforce an area of structure at the side-of-body section of the 787. The modification entails installing new fittings at 34 stringer locations within the joint where the wing attaches to the fuselage. The 787 team has completed modifications on the first three flight-test airplanes and the full-scale static test airplane.


First flight of the 787 Dreamliner is expected to occur after final flight readiness reviews, receipt of documentation from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and taxi testing. Both taxi testing and first flight are subject to weather conditions.


"We are pleased with the pace of progress in preparing to enter our flight test program," said Fancher."

[Edited 2009-12-10 17:25:29]


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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48684 times:

Great news! Fly baby, fly!


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48640 times:

Sweet! I can't wait to finally see this thing in the air!


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User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48631 times:
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Finally she is going to be in the air where she belongs! Hopefully this is the end of the troubles and the start of nothing but good news from the 787 program.

User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48433 times:

Fly please fly..... Can't wait to ser her in the air!!!!

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48396 times:

I'll be waiting to hear that glorious whine as the fan tips go supersonic and she rolls down the runway  bouncy 


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User currently offlineErhard From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48305 times:

This is awesome news indeed!.....finally after all the delays and bad news, can't wait to see her fly!

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48286 times:

While I am giddy just thinking about this thing finally getting airborne, I can't help but wonder if I'm the only one that's a bit nervous about the first flight given the wingbox issues. I know that naysayers will label a worryworm (or worse) but is it wrong to point out that while computer programs and simulations may have given the 787 a thumbs up on its load tests, computer programs and simulations also misjudged the link up of the wing to the fuselage...

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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48266 times:
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Let's have a date and a time... TV in Australia will show it I hope... won't they?


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48201 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
while computer programs and simulations may have given the 787 a thumbs up on its load tests, computer programs and simulations also misjudged the link up of the wing to the fuselage...

Unless I'm mistaken they actually attached cables to the thing and stretched her to the point they need for initial flight testing, they just held off breaking her until next year, she will fly because of that not because the computers said so. Remember, those same computers initially said the design was ok, its a good problem to have when man does not trust his own computers  Smile


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5751 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48134 times:



Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 12):
Let's have a date and a time... TV in Australia will show it I hope... won't they?

Well so far the rumor is Dec. 15th at 10AM Seattle time.



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48060 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Well so far the rumor is Dec. 15th at 10AM Seattle time.

Beautiful... when is that rumour likely to be confirmed? Press conference/release?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5751 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48038 times:



Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 15):
Beautiful... when is that rumour likely to be confirmed? Press conference/release?

Probably a press release. I would suspect that it wold be confirmed around Saturday.



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User currently offlineFelipemia89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 47969 times:

YES!!! FINALLY!!! Very excited to see the 787 fly fly fly.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19559 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 47828 times:

I swear I'm not going to get excited until positive climb is achieved. We've learned over and over and over again...

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47587 times:

So A400M tomorrow Friday 11 Dec and 787 next week, if it gets any better its a set up  Smile

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47561 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Well so far the rumor is Dec. 15th at 10AM Seattle time

My birthday is on the 15th... It would be a great present! I will be at school, but during break, straight to you tube... Providing this is confirmed. (It damn better be.)  Smile



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47565 times:

I can't believe that I am going to actually be in Seattle to see this happen. I remember the day 777 made its maiden flight.
Finally I might be able to get my wish, TK787.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5751 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47551 times:

Boeing confirmed that the first flight window opens Dec. 15th at 10AM!!!


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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6429 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47394 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
During the test on the 787 Dreamliner static test airframe, the wing and trailing edges of the airframe were subjected to their limit load -- the highest loads expected to be seen in service. The limit-load test was required to clear the airplane for first flight.

"Limit-load", isn't that 100% of those 2.5G at MTOW which is operational load limit?

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Boeing's test strategy is to conduct all limit-load tests and analyze data before conducting the ultimate load series, which is required for certification and will be conducted next year.

"Ultimate load", isn't that 150% of those 2.5G (or 3.75G) which has to be demonstrated before certification, giving a 50% operational safety margin?

Great news to hear that the 787 is now cleared to initiate its flight test program. But if I'm not mistaken, then she still has to be exposed to the really tough part of the structural integrity tests, which are going to be conducted "next year".

God forbid that it doesn't pass that test - it could mean additional delay even if the fixes could be designed and tested simultaneously with major parts of the flight testing.



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User currently offline787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47129 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
Boeing confirmed that the first flight window opens Dec. 15th at 10AM!!!

I am sooooooooo excited! I'll have to take a day off from school to see it though.



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47088 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 24):
Great news to hear that the 787 is now cleared to initiate its flight test program. But if I'm not mistaken, then she still has to be exposed to the really tough part of the structural integrity tests, which are going to be conducted "next year".

God forbid that it doesn't pass that test - it could mean additional delay even if the fixes could be designed and tested simultaneously with major parts of the flight testing

It is easy to forget that the 787 wing has already surpassed 150% in testing earlier in the program.

http://787milestones.tpninteractive.com/

If problems arise it will be at the wing/side of body/centre wing box join, but the wing itself is not going to snap early.

Cheers

Ruscoe


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47050 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
Boeing confirmed that the first flight window opens Dec. 15th at 10AM!!!

Hmmm.... I think I feel a cold coming on... At this rate, it should hit exactly on Tuesday morning....



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2885 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 45718 times:
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Is there a chance that she has already flown and we (the world) don't know it? I know if I were in charge I'd paint her like a cargo 777/767 and flew her in the dark! The stakes are so F"@k/ng high on Tuesday!!!


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User currently offlineMkorpal From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 90 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 45511 times:

We are finally close enough to start watching the weather reports.

25 National757 : Can't wait! Tempted to take a quick trip to Seattle next Tuesday... we'll see! Go Boeing! Go Dreamliner!
26 JBirdAV8r : Zero chance. With all the spotters and "good sources" up there, we'd have known about it almost immediately. The "stakes" as you put it are high, but
27 AndrewUber : ARGH! And it has been severe clear in Seattle all this week!!! Any word on the 748? Are they still trying to fly it on the same day? Either way - I'll
28 Yflyer : Which says "showers" for every day next week on weather.com. What sort of conditions would prevent a first flight?
29 Tdscanuck : Except they actually pulled real loads on a real aircraft now...the computers can sit back and let reality do the rest. Yes. Yes. Yes to the static a
30 N328KF : This isn't a stealth bomber we're talking about. Where's the real need for secrecy?
31 JHCRJ700 : Gigity gigity goo
32 Sovietjet : So tempted to fly out to Seattle to get it.....
33 AirlineCritic : Where can I follow this live over the Internet?
34 Post contains links Twinotter4ever : You can check out first flight on Boeings www.Newairplane.com site
35 Dynamicsguy : Even at 5am our time I can't imagine any of the networks picking it up. I hope you have a decent internet connection to watch the stream from boeing.
36 EGTESkyGod : You think I'm gonna wake at 5am for it?! Good luck with that!!!
37 Rheinwaldner : I am pleased as soon as the 787 flies. To be pleased about the pace of "progress in preparing to enter our flight test program" one MUST suppress the
38 BEG2IAH : I was up around 4 am for A380 first flight. Would do it again for any new type in a heartbeat. BEG2IAH
39 Jayeshrulz : No i'm sure its gonna fly!!Neat!!
40 EGTESkyGod : Ahhh the first A380 flight... I remember it well, being my 19th Birthday... I also was back home in England, therefore only 1 hour time difference to
41 FlybaurLAX : To quote The Hunt for Red October: "Come on, Big D. Fly!"
42 Brilondon : Ah check what time you are talking about, if you see it live it will be 6PM British time 7PM continental time.
43 Zeke : Any news if the FAA has actually issued an experiential certificate for this to happen, the Feds normally do not work weekends.
44 EGTESkyGod : Nuff said!
45 MrSkyGuy : I'm sure Boeing has a line with the FAA.. you make it sound like this is a test flight of a kit build single engine plane..
46 Decoder : So a limit load is the greatest force an airliner is ever expected to encounter in service? Is it really only 2.5G?
47 MadameConcorde : How exciting!! I really want to see this!! We have been waiting so long to see her taking up tot the skies!! Go B-787!!! Show us your beautiful wings
48 757GB : Good one! I'm just as excited as anyone here. It seems that as we get closer all the problems are forgotten at least for the moment, and you don't ca
49 Razza : I have no doubt that the juice will be well worth the squeeze here... Magnificent news!!
50 Post contains links Dynamicsguy : From the Boeing website: From what was posted on the internal news site they will show at least the take off, landing and post-flight press conferenc
51 EPA001 : If my work allows I for sure will follow this great event. After the FF of the A400M we now get the FF of the B787, and maybe also the FF of B748F. W
52 ChrisNH : With everything that has happened with the 787, first flight ought to be a two-hour Geraldo Rivera special.
53 Glideslope : Thanks for the update. Now I keep hearing " Santa Baby " over and over in my head.
54 Post contains links Tom355uk : I know this may be considered slightly off topic but looking at this image: http://www.newairplane.com/register/ I know it is only a CG mockup, but is
55 PlanesNTrains : I know they say that their "window" opens at 10AM on the 15th, but coincidentally that is looking like the day with the worst weather in a few weeks t
56 Swallow : What a year in aviation! First flights for: A330F Gulfstream 650 A400M and finally, ..drum roll....... the 787
57 Theredbaron : I hope the weather improves since I hear that there has been major snow up there. Fingers crossed.
58 Oshkosh1 : Wish I still lived at Paine Field. When the T7 was introduced, I lived in a Naval housing complex which was literally between the 34/16's on the south
59 DLDTW1962 : Go Baby Go.... How long will it take to get the final cert. so they can start delivering these birds to their clients? Chuck
60 AirFrnt : But but but... I thought the airbus fans had determined this plane would be scrapped? Good work Boeing... no no more surprises as this revolutionary p
61 JoeCanuck : As far as I can tell, Boeing hasn't set an exact first flight date. All they've said is that the WINDOW opens on the 15th...not that it will necessari
62 Pnwtraveler : Boeing is not going to risk things to fly because some other very delayed military airliner is supposed to fly. The FAA is on site and has been throug
63 Swallow : Very smart IMHO. And they have not said how wide that window is. All bases are covered in case of any unforeseen delays.
64 Manfredj : And finally....the award for the years most ambiguous comment on Anet! What makes you think that Tom? The delays, the complexity, the drawn out first
65 EA772LR : That's what I was thinking. I guess the only good thing that came out of 2 1/2 years of delays are that many of the other systems could be matured. F
66 Speedbird2263 : Not to mention 'Gear Up'
67 BMI727 : They probably won't raise the gear on the maiden flight. That is what I tell myself too, but it really doesn't work.
68 Indy : BOOOOOO!!!!! For selfish reasons. My last class of the semester starts at 9am Seattle time and runs until 1pm Seattle time. Dang! I guess I'll just h
69 JoeCanuck : Actually, they have. They said first flight will be in 2009. That gives them a 2 week window.
70 MadameConcorde : I don't want to be away and without internet access when 787 takes to the skies for the very first time so I hope it will be on the 15th (soon) at 10.
71 Tom355uk : you seem to have misjudged my comment. When I used 'convoluted' i used it to mean 'Complex, Intricate or Complicated' to purely describe the way the
72 Post contains links Manfredj : I was just using your comment as an excuse to call the 787 pretentious Without a doubt the wings flex will be amazing to look at both inside and outs
73 Swallow : Of course. You are right. Not committing to a firm date allows flexibility
74 Acey559 : I think it would have been cool if they decided to do it on December 17th, being the anniversary of the Wright Brother's first flight and all. But eit
75 BEG2IAH : One of the reasons for that window is the weather... BEG2IAH
76 Post contains links 757GB : As per Matt Cawby, static pressure cone has been added to the tail of N787BA: http://kpae.blogspot.com/
77 Tdscanuck : Yes. Usually, yes. For specific designs, you might find some other design case that produced more load than the 2.5G/MTOW case, in which case *that*
78 F9Animal : Congrats to Boeing and the employees that have worked very hard to get this airplane flying.
79 BMI727 : Maybe they will then. I thought that leaving it down was SOP for maiden flights.
80 Dfambro : I just looked through the A400M FF photos and they raised the gear
81 DelawareUSA : Was this the day of the scheduled first flight, or the day before when she lifted off the runway during the high speed runway test?
82 SkyTaxi : I think that I may have to mosey over to the flightline to see what all the fuss is about.
83 DocLightning : You need to learn to be more cynical. I can teach you. I have thr I think that used to be the case, but not anymore. I think they take off with the g
84 KELPkid : Forgive me here, but I do have some experience with experimental aircraft ops (Okay, homebuilt GA planes, but still...) Landing gear operation in fli
85 Stitch : I would hope the took off with the gear down. As to why they used to keep the gear down throughout the first flight, I suppose it was a worry that th
86 JoeCanuck : Makes for a much shorter take off roll...
87 Post contains links Railker : Just got an email from Boeing, not sure if anyone else confirmed this already didn't see it in the thread ... "The Boeing Company is proud to announc
88 Panman : Since when does it take three to five hours to go from KBFI to KPAE? Because the email Boeing sent me states: " After the airplane leaves the ground,
89 KELPkid : It does when you spend all your flight time above the Puget Sound, or fly out the strait of Juan De Fuca into an oceanic area I had no idea Boeing wa
90 DocLightning : Touche! But when they were first flying, say, the 747 I'm sure they'd swung the gear ad nauseum before FF. I can see keeping them down long enough to
91 KELPkid : However, they have not been tested on an actual plane under actual aerodynamic loads Computer simulations might come close, but gear systems haven't
92 Stitch : Maybe gear down is a military thing? Though I believe the B-2 Spirit retracted her gear on her first flight...
93 Tdscanuck : Boeing and Airbus disagree with you. They've both pulled the gear up on the maiden flight of their most recent large airecraft. Tom.
94 BMI727 : I tend to be a very cynical person. Maybe I have just run out in this case, or all of my cynicism is being used on my favorite sports teams, most of
95 Caetravlr : Did they pull the gear up on the A400M maiden flight? I watched the highlight video on their website and even in the cruising shots it didn't look li
96 JBirdAV8r : Well, they'll probably take off and keep the airplane in a stable configuration until they head out a bit and progress in their timeline. There's rea
97 Tdscanuck : Assuming they do it like past first flights, the chase planes will be on them from the moment they takeoff. However, again assuming it's like past fi
98 Post contains links Jetfuel : Just got an email from Boeing The Boeing Company is proud to announce that the window for first flight is planned to open at 10 a.m. on December 15. T
99 Post contains links Suprazachair : They definitely retracted the gear on the A380 first flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PVizo6XuEo#t=2m33s
100 Panman : Learn to spot Sarcasm...... PANMAN
101 Panman : That definately is not the reason as there is always the emergency landing gear activation system that basically allows the gear to deploy under it's
102 EPA001 : I received this e-mail too. So far this is the strongest indication that they are really serious to get her airborne in the window that opens on the
103 Post contains links LHRlocal : FYI they are currently streaming live taxi tests @ flightblogger, picks up some decent speed and great to hear her! http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/
104 Post contains links Clickhappy : I have uploaded 3 shots from todays taxi testing (ongoing) http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/
105 Astuteman : I've been puzzled by my own lack of excitement about this event up to now. Maybe it's just from waiting for so long. But seeing those videos of the t
106 Post contains links CM767 : The nose gear was off the ground, she is ready to fly! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/3010767
107 Stitch : Darn shame she couldn't get up today, as the weather is starting to turn for the worst. They're mumbling about snow tonight and tomorrow.
108 Njxc500 : Does anyone know if there will be a documentary following certification tests like with the 777?
109 Longhornmaniac : God, I just looked at the 10 day forecast on weather.com, and all 10 days have a chance of rain/snow...sigh. Cheers, Cameron
110 EPA001 : Let's hope that the weather will not disturb the party. We have been waiting so long for this. The weather guys owe it to us to give Boeing and us so
111 PlunaCRJ : Let´s hope this time there isn´t any other delay and the 787 finally flies. I can´t wait to see her airborne!
112 EGTESkyGod : If your forecasters are anything like the ones back home in the UK, you should have bright blue sunshine all next week based on their forecast of rai
113 Stitch : Well the Puget Sound Convergence Zone (which covers Everett and PAE) is very unstable, but I still don't think it excuses the fact our meteorologists
114 777fan : The sound of the engines' spooling up was awesome - that thing has some serious giddy-up (granted, it's probably nowhere near MTOW). 777fan
115 JBirdAV8r : It might actually be depending on how much ballast they had in the tanks today. It's probably heavier than it looks.
116 Post contains links and images Aesma : " target=_blank>http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/3010767 Was that on purpose ? I don't think you're supposed to do that. It happened with the A340 and
117 Post contains images EPA001 : Nice pictures.   She looks very beautiful and very much ready to go.  [Edited 2009-12-12 17:54:26]
118 Tdscanuck : Yep. IMAX folks have been all over this one for years. How would you do it by accident? Unless the stab trim is *way* off you shouldn't autorotate. T
119 Braniff747SP : Beautiful!!! Now, let's hope the weather holds out on my B-Day!!
120 JBirdAV8r : Yes, pretty much every first flight program rotates the nose off the ground in an RTO just prior to first flight....
121 EGTESkyGod : Also it looks to me like the lift spoilers are deployed, meaning they no intention of getting off the ground and therefore no intention of anything ot
122 Aesma : On the second picture the elevator is up so you must be right.
123 Western727 : Whoa, what's with the pessimism? After all, we all watched them demonstrate in the end of Airplane! that a 707 could takeoff with its gear up... Good
124 Post contains links NYC777 : Ok so Boeing just put out this press release: News Release Issued: December 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST Boeing Completes 787 Dreamliner High-Speed Taxi Test
125 Stitch : The meteorologists are now saying no snow (at least for the Seattle metro area, which is about 40km south of PAE), so .
126 Western727 : I just noticed that the 787's inboard/outboard ailerons double as spoilers when the traditional spoilers are activated...very cool. Further, the red a
127 Indy : When I saw that thing start to move those exact words went through my head. And I love the sound those engines make. I can't wait to take one of thos
128 Post contains links JBirdAV8r : There is nothing quite like the sound of Rollers on an airplane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhAd2rnHMw The sound at 1:43 is simply amazing.
129 ER757 : No kidding. Boeing's luck is just not good. Been clear as a bell for the past 10 days and now as soon as she's ready to fly, the weather goes to s***
130 Post contains links Suprazachair : Ever see the 757 first flight? 20kt+ tailwind out of RNT, gusting 38kt landing at PAE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRar2YONKfk
131 EGTESkyGod : I have a question... I noticed in the pictures of the 787 RTO and on the video of the 757 that there was something trailing from the top of the tail
132 Post contains links Indy : Don't know if this one was posted yet but this one makes it very easy to see the nose go up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMbEh1KQZTQ
133 LASoctoberB6 : I absolutely love that it sounds like the 777! Oh, I'm soooo excited!
134 Just7four7 : I share the exitement of a new airliner. Just a few comments on looks: I am a bit disappointed about the looks. I find it is too low on the ground, it
135 Tdscanuck : Static pressure cone. It provides a reliable, stable static pressure source before you have a chance to calibrate the airplane static ports, and in m
136 PWMRamper : Looks short and fat to me. Kind of reminds me of a wide-bodied guppy to be honest. But I wonder how much of that is the livery. I love Boeing's livery
137 Post contains images Radarbeam : If we are to believe this computer rendition it will have bogeys that tilt backwards. I cant wait for this bird to fly!
138 2707200X : I saw the nose wheel lift off on the news today, can't wait to see it fly on Tuesday.
139 Kaitak : There was a thread just started (and just as quickly disappeared) which said that the first flight was planned for 10am on Tuesday. Don't know why it
140 AirlineCritic : I noticed it too. Kind of reminds me of the 737.
141 JBirdAV8r : An "actual" rotation may look a little better, because in those photos the spoilers were deployed prior to rotation and the aircraft was "squatting"
142 Rheinbote : Naaah...the huge cabin windows may be a little deceptive, make the short 787-8 look like a single-aisle narrowbody at first sight. But I think that w
143 Panman : As per my inbox this morning.... "The Boeing Company is proud to announce that the historic first flight of the 787 Dreamliner is scheduled to take pl
144 Luftfahrer : One question: Were the flaps lifted before the nose gear got off the ground in order to prevent the whole aircraft from rotating? It was a stunning ma
145 EPA001 : That pleasant e-mail was in my inbox as well. So now the historic first flight (well, every first flight is ) is confirmed, weather permitting. Great
146 Rabenschlag : She looks so caravellish up front I like it!
147 Panman : The flaps are quiet clearly down in those pictures (looks like flaps 5). Spoilers are up though. PANMAN
148 SpeedBirdA380 : This is fantastic news and I along with many others were very skeptical this event would happen in 2009. I just hope its relativley plain sailing fro
149 Luftfahrer : I actually meant the spoilers, but somehow wrote flaps instead...
150 Azhobo : They call for rain all week in Seattle. How much rain would it take to postpone first flight?
151 Patches : How much wider is this thing than a 767? It doesnt seem like much. Also front wheels seem much like a 737. Very low, to me looks like a 737-900. Still
152 Post contains links and images LVISA : And Cometish... View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeremy Lindgren / New England Airports
153 Cosmofly : Is it typical to do just one high speed test and call the test completed?
154 Panman : Just because you have seen only one, doesn't mean they did only one. There have been clips of more than one high speed taxi test being done over the
155 Ruscoe : 767 int width 4.72m 787 int width 5.49m 350 int width 5.61m When I look at the 787 I see a small aircraft, until I have something to compare it with
156 Gregarious119 : I gotta be honest, I really like the frugal, single-wave livery that ZA005 (I think?) and the first 747-8 are wearing. Clean but refreshing. Kinda cr
157 Rheinwaldner : IIRC the Caravelle got the Comet cockpit...
158 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : I got to thinking the same thing too about how it looks unusually close to the ground for an aircraft that size. It would almost seem an A320 or 757
159 Indy : How many 787's will Boeing be able to produce a month or year?
160 Stitch : Planned combined full production at the PAE and CHS FALs is ten per month.
161 Nomadd22 : 10 is planned. The two sites should be able to handle 14 eventually. Maybe more when they get production down to an art way down the road. I'm really
162 Sunking737 : I heard on CNN Headline news Tuesday is the day. Not sure If this has been posted yet.
163 Tdscanuck : You lost me...how would flaps (or spoilers) prevent the rest of the aircraft from rotating? The whole aircraft is one piece. About one seat. A 787 at
164 TrnsWrld : Great news cant wait to see it fly. I to agree with most of you its so hard to judge its size because of nothing to compare it to. I think the biggest
165 757GB : The videos and pictures are great, and despite past problems it's hard not to get excited. The size perception is confusing, but there is something I
166 United787 : Huh? The 767 is 7 abreast. Looking forward to Tuesday! Planning on watching the lift off at a local bar!
167 Drerx7 : The 767 can go 8 abreast....very very tight. That is what the poster is saying, that a 787 at 9 abreast will be tight like a 767 is at 8 abreast.
168 Panman : You obviously didn't read a lot of the posts before you posted yours then............... PanmaN
169 Post contains links Luftfahrer : Have you watched this particular video? http://vimeo.com/8141721 Shortly before the nose gear got off the ground, the spoilers came up. I wondered if
170 EPA001 : To be complete...... :
171 Suprazachair : It was, though you're just slightly off on the explanation. Rotating fully and taking off are completely different. You can have a full rotation to t
172 Affirmative : I have to agree that it looks a lot smaller that it is.. I think the windows and big doors are a contributing factor. Also the fact that the engines a
173 757GB : Actually more than the drag, I think the idea is for the spoilers to disrupt the airflow above the wing, effectively "killing the lift" produced by t
174 Thebry : There are a few other factors that make it appear to be equal to (if not smaller than) a 767: 1.] The wingspan. The 788 wingspan is actually eleven f
175 Sovietjet : So how bad does the weather need to be for the flight to be cancelled?
176 Stitch : I imagine conditions that prevent flying under Visual Flight Rules, since those are the rules that will apply for this flight (and I imagine the firs
177 Post contains links Stitch : As part of The Seattle Times coverage of the preparation for first flight, Dominic Gates wrote a large piece about the history of the plane. While man
178 Astuteman : Not sure why anyone would dispute that. All the aircraft on sale today are a response to solid customer feedback... Rgds
179 Stitch : Spite, I imagine. *shrug* Anyway, I found the point about NH and "ramp rash" to be the more interesting one. They remained skeptical about Boeing's c
180 N93109 : In watching the video, the 787 RR engines sound a lot like a 777-200ER with Trents which is awesome. I was worried that there would be no cool engine
181 CF6PPE : Maybe Speed Tape.... (comment is tonge in cheek) At a 1980 GE CF6 Technical Conference in Cincinnati, GE proudly showed the new CF6-80 (now known as
182 Andrewuber : I plan to visit Everett for this historic flight. Where is the best spot available to the public? I live on Vashon Island now and plan to drive up. Al
183 MadameConcorde : Will RR Trent1000s equip the first testing aircraft or will it be GEs or GPs? Either way I hope we will see her flying without delay!
184 KingFriday013 : I'm pretty it will be RR-powered. -J.
185 LY4XELD : Rain alone may not cancel the flight. From Randy's journal: "Keep in mind that in general, Boeing policy for first flight weather conditions calls fo
186 Post contains links and images Keesje : Just like the A350. I hit a Boeing panel with a hammer too around that time. I asked how far it got damaged below the skin & what was to remaining st
187 MadameConcorde : Oh yes please! No one will even look at the A380 if she is there! She wil steal the show with the A400M. Though if I want to get on board I may have
188 Trigged : This is truly exciting! If classes were still going on, I would have my Structures and Finite Element classes sitting in front of a big screen televis
189 Clickhappy : Keesje - I am going to go out on a limb here and state that maybe, just maybe, the ANA engineers might be a little more diligent, and have more knowl
190 Aviationbuff : Dear Mods, please start a new thread dedicated for the great historic D-Day.
191 EA772LR : The 787 only comes with RR T1000 and GE GEnx. No GP's on the 787...only available on the A380 along with RR T900. And to answer your question, the fi
192 Stitch : ZA001-ZA004 have Trent 1000 power and ZA005/ZA006 have GEnx-1B power. I expect PAE will be buried, so if she departs to the South, there are a number
193 EbbUK : I don't know if that will be necessary, it's not like the first flight is that significant. I may be wrong
194 Decoder : The web cast should open 24 hours before first flight, that's in 2.5 hours!
195 Mattcawby : There will be a public viewing area airside near the tower. The airport office will be sending out a press release December 14 so the media should ha
196 NorCal : You better hope it works because the A350 will be repaired in the same manner as the 787. Unbolting an 18m section of the composite fuselage that cov
197 EA772LR : Thanks for the correction Stitch. When does the first GE powered bird fly?
198 Manfredj : I think we are going to see a gradual departure from the "aggressive" looks of aircraft like the 777 and 757. These new airplanes from Boeing and Air
199 Stitch : Sometime in Q1 2010. The plan is to get a test frame up up every four weeks or so, though ZA002 looks to be ahead of schedule if she flies by the end
200 EA772LR : Great, thanks. So I'm guessing the first 4 frames will be RR birds, then the 005/006 will be the GE test frames...for a total of 6 test frames flying
201 Stitch : That's the plan.
202 Post contains links ManuCH : Please continue discussion in part 2: 787 First Flight - 15th December 2009 (Part 2) (by Jayeshrulz Dec 14 2009 in Civil Aviation) Any additional post
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