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Why Are UA Express Planes Parked At T7 @ LAX?  
User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

there are a couple of brasilias parked at 70A and B i believe (or 71A and B) in this picture, anyone know why?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/1623635/L/


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5765 times:
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Thank You!! As soon as I saw the picture, it was the first thing that I thought of. Too bad you cant see the rest of Terminal 8 in the picture, maybe that would give us an explanation.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Why? Because gate 71A&B is the current designated UAX prop gate.

Really not a mystery.



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5732 times:
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Why don't they use T8 as they did before? I feel sorry for the Skywest rampers getting jet-blast by CO.


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User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5731 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):

Well it was a mystery to me, which is why I posted it. I wasn't aware that 71 A&B were ever prop gates.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5708 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Why? Because gate 71A&B is the current designated UAX prop gate.

Really not a mystery.

When did they make the move over from T-8 over to T-7?


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5678 times:

When they gave up the T6 gates they had to put that capacity somewhere. As a result, the majority of Airbus operations are now out of T8, depending on the day, with T7 getting 757's and larger obviously. There are also a fair amount of Airbus flights out of T7, and T8 is still UAX with some props there too depending on the time of day. There is also the odd arrival at T6 in the evenings.

User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5641 times:
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Seems odd to me that they would give up using 71A&B, since 71A fits an A320 and 71B can fit up to a 767-300. Also more pax have to walk between T7 and T8 to connect flights now, but then im not surprised its UA.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5623 times:

Actualy the move to 71A&B for UAX props is not direct results of any T-6 moves (fyi-UA still has flights in T-6).

The primary impetus for the change was the new larger rental agreement reached with LAWA whom for long been attempting to eliminate prop operations at mainline gates at the airport. LAWA had long considered the T-8 gate prop operations unsafe due jet blast dangers particulary at the end gates. The win-win move to 71 allows UA to continue using props at gates until they model is phased out completely at LAX.

For the record also, this move is basically a return to the past. Gates 71 was historically the UAX gate (has large stair case leading to the ramp) and was a prop gate prior. Also the move has actualy improved passenger connectivity, by reduced the walking distance for many customers.

(note a few prop ops are still run in T-8, as 71 cant accomodate the current full EMB120 schedule)

[Edited 2009-12-10 23:31:31 by laxintl]


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5591 times:
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Thanks for the info LAXintl..

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
LAWA had long considered the T-8 gate prop operations unsafe due jet blast dangers particulary at the end gates.

How is it safer now? The distance between T6-T7 is much closer than T7-T8.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5558 times:

No more flying equipment from aircraft making turns or taxiing by at C6 and taxiways B&C.


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5477 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 6):
There is also the odd arrival at T6 in the evenings.

There's a lot more than the "odd arrival" in T6; UA usually has at least one arrival in T6 every night. Most nights it's actually 2-3 arrivals and tonight there were 4. Very rare to have a departure out of T6 for UA, at least at night.

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User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

When I was waiting for my flight in Oct of this year I notice alot of UA Express flight going
out of these two gate. This would include CRJs. But with these aircraft they used the jetways

CRP


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

I've seen CRJs at 70A a few times. The night flight to PHX goes out of there sometimes.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4952 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):

There's a lot more than the "odd arrival" in T6; UA usually has at least one arrival in T6 every night. Most nights it's actually 2-3 arrivals and tonight there were 4. Very rare to have a departure out of T6 for UA, at least at night.

The777Man

What will UA do if and when AS moves over to T6?


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4769 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
What will UA do if and when AS moves over to T6?

Very good question and I don't have an answer to that. I think most of AS arrivals/departures are earlier in the evening so perhaps UA can continue to use a few gates in T6 ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4744 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):

If they don't move everyone save DL/CO and UA out of T6 when AS moves over it is going to be a cluster. (And i really don't know how they will be able to do it with out moving people to/back to T3.)



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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4724 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 3):
Why don't they use T8 as they did before? I feel sorry for the Skywest rampers getting jet-blast by CO.

Oh that's not the only thing for OO ramp and CO. There were some heated conversion between the two pilots not too long ago.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 5):
When did they make the move over from T-8 over to T-7?

Not too long ago, I believe somewhere in 3Q.

Quoting Phllax (Reply 6):
When they gave up the T6 gates they had to put that capacity somewhere. As a result, the majority of Airbus operations are now out of T8, depending on the day, with T7 getting 757's and larger obviously. There are also a fair amount of Airbus flights out of T7, and T8 is still UAX with some props there too depending on the time of day. There is also the odd arrival at T6 in the evenings.

United hardly uses T6 anymore, even if its for and inbound arrival. The airbus uses mainly T7 and T8 nowadays.

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 13):
I've seen CRJs at 70A a few times. The night flight to PHX goes out of there sometimes.

OO/UAX does not use 70A anymore.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
What will UA do if and when AS moves over to T6?

Nothing, as UA does not have any leases on any gates in T6 anymore.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 17):
United hardly uses T6 anymore, even if its for and inbound arrival. The airbus uses mainly T7 and T8 nowadays

Not ture. See reply 11.

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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4559 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
What will UA do if and when AS moves over to T6?

I believe the gates at the end of T6 (66, 67A/B, 68A/B, 69A/B) are common use so UA would still be free to try and use T6. DL uses 68B for their NRT departure right now. If AS moves to T6 though, FL, F9, NK, G4, and B6 will probably be moving to (or back to) T3.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
Very good question and I don't have an answer to that. I think most of AS arrivals/departures are earlier in the evening so perhaps UA can continue to use a few gates in T6 ?

The777Man

Hey The777Man, how's it going? Thanks for your thoughts on this. Personally I don't think AS will want to share any gates even if there's one open or not if UA needs one because of crowding? AS does have some mid evening departures up north (9pm is to SEA/PDX/YVR) as well as to GDL just after midnight.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):

If they don't move everyone save DL/CO and UA out of T6 when AS moves over it is going to be a cluster. (And i really don't know how they will be able to do it with out moving people to/back to T3.)

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Quoting FL787 (Reply 19):

I believe the gates at the end of T6 (66, 67A/B, 68A/B, 69A/B) are common use so UA would still be free to try and use T6. DL uses 68B for their NRT departure right now. If AS moves to T6 though, FL, F9, NK, G4, and B6 will probably be moving to (or back to) T3.

From what I understand and the multiple threads about the hellish T6 and all the controversy about UA giving up their space in T6 with all their cutbacks, those gates are not common use for UA. 68B is used for the DL/NW 744 since T5 has a very hard time accomodating a 744 at that hour due to being very busy at those hours the 744 comes in from NRT and leaves back out. However as many of you know, DL is pulling the 744 and going with 77E/L and the 330 on their LAX-NRT flights which will allow them to offer two flights on certain days!!


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4371 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
From what I understand and the multiple threads about the hellish T6 and all the controversy about UA giving up their space in T6 with all their cutbacks, those gates are not common use for UA.

No the deal was that UA used to have preferential use of these gates but now they are just common use for everyone including UA. CO and UA both sometimes use 66 or 68A.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4361 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
From what I understand and the multiple threads about the hellish T6 and all the controversy about UA giving up their space in T6 with all their cutbacks, those gates are not common use for UA.

The gates are absolutely available to UA if they need them. What UA and LAX negotiated regarding T6 is UA gave up its preferential use rights on 4 gates in T6. What that means is that UA no longer has first dibs on those gates in T6 that are set up for international use and has to wait in line along with every other T6 airline for the use of those gates.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Dont also forget that under the revised agreement, United now can makes $$$ off any parties that use T6-7 FIS facility. (eg NWA NRT flight these days).

Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
are set up for international use and has to wait in line along with every other T6 airline for the use of those gates.

Well not exactly wait in line as if the gates are a free for all.

LAX has an established gate use policy which amongst things spells out gating priorities which includes concept of historical precedence.
So all things being equal United still enjoys a certain level of priority in operating flights at T-6 based on its historical schedule.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4260 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
The gates are absolutely available to UA if they need them. What UA and LAX negotiated regarding T6 is UA gave up its preferential use rights on 4 gates in T6. What that means is that UA no longer has first dibs on those gates in T6 that are set up for international use and has to wait in line along with every other T6 airline for the use of those gates.

Thank you United1 for the information. I do remember this being discussed in several other threads.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
not exactly wait in line as if the gates are a free for all.

LAX has an established gate use policy which amongst things spells out gating priorities which includes concept of historical precedence.
So all things being equal United still enjoys a certain level of priority in operating flights at T-6 based on its historical schedule.

Good for UA being able to make some money off of other carriers needing FIS. I wonder what will happen when DL-NW stop flying the 744 on the NRT route. Will they utilize T5 FIS for these flights or continue to use 68B?

What will UA do when and if AS moves over to T6 as I don't think the gates will be readily available for UA's preferential use any longer as UA does have several busy banks of flights?


25 DeltaL1011man : AS will have to share gates. They can use T5 now if they wanted to. T5 has one 744 gate.
26 AznCSA4QF744ER : The777Man, I stand correct as I said hardly. United will avoid using T6 at anytime given they have other options in T7 or T8.
27 The777Man : UA usually puts 757s or larger at T6, not the Airbuses as they can fit in T8 (and of course, T7). Usually, UA 52 and 167 arrive in T6 although tonigh
28 Azncsa4qf744er : Tonight is unusually odd due to delays inbound and departures on both UA mainline and UAX. T6 will always be priority for B757 and larger. Tonight yo
29 The777Man : Things change and tonight UA 52 and UA 265 showed up, still one 757 and one airbus. Sometimes the gate and terminal will change when the plane is on t
30 LACA773 : I don't think AS will want to share gates with anyone with the exception of a gate or two. They have to do this on ocasion over in T3 during peak per
31 KGAIflyer : I know mainline 319s are parking at 82 and 86 these days. I guess they don't get hemmed in by traffic at the end of alley like at 70A & B. But that's
32 Cmk10 : I apologize, they were using it as recently as September.
33 United1 : Its been rumored on here for the past 12-18 months that AS is moving to T6 in order to be closer to DL. I'm starting to think that its simply a rumor
34 DeltaL1011man : If AS moves to T6 they will be using CUTE gates......they wont have the option to have there own gates at T6. Only DL and CO will have there own gate
35 The777Man : It's semi-official; B6 have been told that they need to be out of T6 by May10 because AS is moving in. I'm sure the other carriers like FL, NK and G4
36 United1 : Interesting....that will put some money in UAs pocket as well.
37 The777Man : I think that AS is taliking to CBP to makes sure they will staff T6 FIS; otherwise there's no point for AS to move. My guess is that this is what's ho
38 LACA773 : That's what I thought. I believe it also blocks 59. Why does DL use the T6 gates for the JFK flights since they are trying to sell an upgraded produc
39 The777Man : Not sure; you have to ask someone from DL. The JFK flights do not leave from 6 all the time; it varies from day to day. The777Man
40 DeltaL1011man : which gate is 56? hmmm last i was told NW was just using T6......man i need to make it out to LAX and see what is goin on with you guys. I bet T5 loo
41 The777Man : Next to 58A I believe, on the east side of the terminal. At certain times, all gates are full, in both T5 and T6. 56 I don't think so; I have seen 73
42 AZNCSA4QF744ER : OO/UAX have been using them for about two years now. But up until the change of the props gate 70A is not used anymore. Unless on the extreme case, i
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