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Late 70s UK/US Schedules Question  
User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

When did BA start PIT? Was it with L1011 or 747?

What US cities were served and how in the late 70s?

(a link to old discussion or someplace will do . thanks v much.

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3065 times:



Quoting TFFIP (Thread starter):
When did BA start PIT? Was it with L1011 or 747?

1985. It was started in conjunction with a FF partnership with USAir that lasted until 1996. BA pulled out of PIT on October 31, 1999. BA flew L1011s, 747-200s, 747-300s and USAir wet-leased 767-200s from PIT.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

I don't have a timetable to hand, but if I recall correctly:

LAX: TW, PA, BA (ex-LHR); I think BA was also using an ANZ DC10 at that stage, which would later evolve into NZ's own 747 service, although this was initially from LGW due to slot constraints at LHR

SFO: PA, BA

ORD: TW, BA

BOS: TW, BA

PHL: TW, BA

MIA: PA, BA

IAH: BR (I think ... not sure when this started)

DFW: BN. (I don't think AA started UK services until BN collapsed and AA took over the LGW-DFW route)

ATL: DL

JFK: AA, AI, TW, BA, KU, possibly LY too?

IAD: PA, BA

That's all I can think of right now, but some of the above - particularly the BR - may not be correct. However, I do recall an article in "Aircraft Illustrated" around that time, featuring a BR 707 flight to IAH.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6842 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2807 times:

In summer 1977 BA flew to the US

LHR-JFK daily 747, daily VC10, daily 747/VC10, 2/week SSC

MAN-PIK-JFK 747 3/week, VC10 4/week

LHR-IAD-DTW daily 747

LHR-IAD 4/week SSC

LHR-BOS-PHL daily 747

LHR-MIA daily 747

LHR-ORD daily 747

LHR-LAX daily D10

Looks like the SFO nonstop started in 1978.


User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 434 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2790 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 3):
In summer 1977 BA flew to the US

LHR-LAX daily D10


Didn't BA get the DC-10s from BCAL only in 1982? I am pretty sure they did not have DC-10s in 1977.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2774 times:



Quoting DCAjet (Reply 4):
Didn't BA get the DC-10s from BCAL only in 1982? I am pretty sure they did not have DC-10s in 1977

It was operated by Air New Zealand. NZ also popped into MAN once I believe on the BA route to JFK.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2728 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 5):
It was operated by Air New Zealand. NZ also popped into MAN once I believe on the BA route to JFK.


It was an AirNZ DC-10, and I think the aircraft also did some other Transatlantic sectors on behalf of BA. I think there were some BA crews who actually operated the aircraft.

National Airlines operated a DC-10 between Miami and LHR.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

BA network in 1977

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimyvrr.../sizes/l/in/set-72157594294515211/

PAN AM network 1980

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimyvrr.../sizes/l/in/set-72157594295786049/

BOAC network 1974

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimyvrr.../sizes/o/in/set-72157600000491392/

This could help a bit....


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6842 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2700 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 5):
It was operated by Air New Zealand.

The ABC showed the LHR-LAX flight as BA 599, the flight west from LAX being TE-- no idea if the difference was significant. The LHR-LAX flight arrived 30 minutes after the LAX-LHR flight departed, so probably the LHR-LAX D10 did continue west?


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5296 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2675 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
I don't think AA started UK services until BN collapsed and AA took over the LGW-DFW route)

AA started DFW-LGW in 1982 so they received the authority prior to BN's demise but, IIRC began the route after BN went under.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

If you stretch the question to early 80s as well, Pan Am started Houston to Gatwick with L1011-500s. Also Western Airlines had two routes to Gatwick. They started Anchorage to Ltwick with a weight limited DC-10-10 and started Denver to Gatwick with an ex AirNZ DC-10-30. Neither service lasted long. The ANC-LGW was to give people from UK a shorter journey time to Hawaii, travelling LGW-ANC-HNL compared with flying via Calfornia.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
IAH: BR (I think ... not sure when this started)

British Caledonian started flying to Houston in 1978 with 707's before they got their famous Dc-10-30's. Later they started DFW, ATL and ST. Louis. Before British Caledonain merged into BA they too over Laker's flights to LAX and JFK from LGW too.


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5127 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Nobody has mentioned National Airlines yet:

http://www.departedflights.com/NA050179.html

DC-10's from MIA to LHR, AMS, FRA and ORY, with ZRH being announced in that timetable while not showing on the above map.

Also daily JFK-AMS, 2 wkly TPA-AMS. Other nonstops from TPA and MSY shown on the map but not actually operated according to that particular timetable. May have been seasonal though, maybe some ex-NA'ers or PA'ers could enlighten us.



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
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BA also employed the ANZ DC10s on flights to Montreal and Miami at times.

User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

I know you asked for late 70s....but I can shed some light on the operations in the earliest part of the 1980s.

From the British Airways January 16, 1980 Intercontinental timetable:

Glasgow-New York Kennedy
BA 185 1:00pm-3:05pm VC10 Nonstop MonWedFriSun

London-Anchorage
BA 5 12:10pm-11:05am 747 Nonstop MonWedFriSun

London-Boston
BA 271 12:00pm-2:05pm DC10 Nonstop Daily

London-Chicago O'Hare
BA 298 2:15pm-4:45pm 747 Nonstop Daily

London-Los Angeles
BA 283 1:00pm-4:05pm 747 Nonstop Daily

London-Miami
BA 279 12:45pm-5:05pm 747 Nonstop Daily

London-New York Kennedy
BA 173 9:30am-8:25am SSC Nonstop ExWedFri
BA 175 11:00am-1:35pm 747 Nonstop Daily
BA 171 11:15am-1010am SSC Nonstop Daily
BA 179 6:00pm-8:50pm 707 Nonstop Daily

London-Philadelphia
BA 271 12:00pm-4:30pm DC10 ViaBOS Daily

London-San Francisco
BA 287 2:30pm-5:15pm 747 Nonstop TueThuSatSun

London-Washington Dulles
BA 191 11:30am-2:50pm 747 Nonstop Daily
BA 189 6:30pm-5:55pm SSC Nonstop TueThuSat


User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

You forgot DTW. Via IAD perhaps?

User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2106 times:



Quoting Michman (Reply 15):
You forgot DTW. Via IAD perhaps?

You, my friend, are correct. My mistake!

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BA 191 11:30am-4:55pm 747 Via IAD Daily


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25464 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2048 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 6):
National Airlines operated a DC-10 between Miami and LHR.

And DC-8 and 747.


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2015 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
I don't think AA started UK services until BN collapsed and AA took over the LGW-DFW route)

AA started DFW-LGW in 1982 so they received the authority prior to BN's demise but, IIRC began the route after BN went under.

AA did not receive DFW-LGW until after BN shut down. The US Government had a special case to reassign the international routes vacated by Braniff. AA was awarded DFW-LGW, CO was awarded IAH-CCS, and EA was awarded DFW-MEX. AA was able to begin service within two weeks of BN's shutdown, initially with 747-100s, switching to ex-NZ DC-10-30s within a year.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12):
Other nonstops from TPA and MSY shown on the map but not actually operated according to that particular timetable. May have been seasonal though, maybe some ex-NA'ers or PA'ers could enlighten us.

MSY-AMS was operated at some point in 1979 with a weekly DC-10 flight.


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

DOH! I can't believe NO ONE remembered this!!!!!!

January 1979 - May 1980

Joint British Airways/Braniff service between Dallas/Fort Worth and London via Washington Dulles on the Concorde!

http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/braniff.html

http://www.braniffpages.com/concorde.html


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