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OAG Changes 12/11/09: CO/DL/NW  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Because I didn't post last week, I downloaded two updates this week. The first one is below, but I had some problems with the second one. If that one is resolved I will make a second post this week with more changes.

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
AAA-BBB 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos...

CO
EWR-MUC 1>0 MAR- (NO START DATE NOW)
EWR-SDQ 1>2 MAY
EWR-SJU 3>4 MAY
IAH-IND 6>5 APR-
IAH-MFE 7>10 MAY; 9>10 JUN-

DL
ATL-BIL 0>1 JUN-
ATL-DTW 12>11 APR-
ATL-LNK 0>1 JUN-
ATL-MLB 7>6 FEB-APR
ATL-TUL 5>4 APR-MAY
JFK-ABV 3/WK>0 JUN-
JFK-IAD 2>1 FEB-

These seem like errors because they reverse prior loads. Not sure if they will "stick".
CVG-CAE 0>1 FEB-
CVG-DSM 0>1 FEB-
CVG-FWA 2>3 FEB-
CVG-OKC 0>1 FEB-
CVG-PVD 0>1 FEB-
CVG-TRI 0>1 FEB-
CVG-TUL 0>1 FEB-
JFK-LYS 0>4/WK MAR-

NW
DTW-PDX 1>0 MAR-MAY
MSP-RNO 0>1/WK FEB-MAR

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2788 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6622 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CVG-OKC 0>1 FEB-

This route was cut from the schedule for FEB-. Definitely an error.

Glad to see your thread again, I was getting worried!



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6567 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):

These seem like errors because they reverse prior loads. Not sure if they will "stick".
CVG-CAE 0>1 FEB-
CVG-DSM 0>1 FEB-
CVG-FWA 2>3 FEB-
CVG-OKC 0>1 FEB-
CVG-PVD 0>1 FEB-
CVG-TRI 0>1 FEB-
CVG-TUL 0>1 FEB-

Has to be an error......



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6334 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 2):

Has to be an error......

I suspect that, but who knows...


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6278 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-MLB 7>6 FEB-APR

Even though US is set to start service to CLT on Feb 11? Doesn't really matter I guess...they can both coexist in MLB...
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6246 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-MLB 7>6 FEB-APR

Even though US is set to start service to CLT on Feb 11? Doesn't really matter I guess...they can both coexist in MLB...

US might not be the only new carrier at MLB this spring...



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6235 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Has to be an error......

Checking delta.com, these flights appear to either be "zeroed out" with no inventory or have already been deleted. DL/NW and F9/YX are easily the least dependable in terms of filing accurate schedules. I'm sure their mergers (or whatever you call F9/YX) are to blame.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6208 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
US might not be the only new carrier at MLB this spring...

Your referring to Direct Air?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6152 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 7):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
US might not be the only new carrier at MLB this spring...

Your referring to Direct Air?

No. I'm referring to an actual airline, not a fly-by-night.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6108 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No. I'm referring to an actual airline, not a fly-by-night.

Who...then?



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6105 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-ABV 3/WK>0 JUN-



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
EWR-MUC 1>0 MAR- (NO START DATE NOW



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-LYS 0>4/WK MAR-

Does this mean JFK-ABV is not starting, but JFK-LYS is going to resume? Also seems strange, CO wont fly EWR-MUC.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6079 times:



Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10):
Does this mean JFK-ABV is not starting, but JFK-LYS is going to resume?

Given the rest of DL's filing this week, I wouldn't put too much stock in either of those statements...



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
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Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10):
Also seems strange, CO wont fly EWR-MUC.

CO is flying the route. I believe the start-date is March 27, 2010



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5605 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Who...then?

Gonna guess AA to MIA.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
NW
DTW-PDX 1>0 MAR-MAY
MSP-RNO 0>1/WK FEB-MAR

If the SOC goes through as we have been told on another recent thread, these flights are actually DL, not NW.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9405 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5484 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 13):
If the SOC goes through as we have been told on another recent thread, these flights are actually DL, not NW.

They will still show in the OAG as NW till the 31st. Then everything will be Delta(even though they will wait till the end of Jan to cut all the flights over from PARS to DeltaMatic.)



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4015 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-LNK 0>1 JUN-

this really suprises me. They tried this over the summer and cancelled it along with a handful of other midwestern cities out of ATL. Could this be a sign they want to add some of these back? If anything I would think they would bring back more established routes like ATL-PIA and ATL-CID before re-starting what seems like a long thin route like ATL-LNK.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3911 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Given the rest of DL's filing this week, I wouldn't put too much stock in either of those statements...

Probably with the holiday, the cat was away and the mice were playing instead of filing a good schedule.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 12):
CO is flying the route. I believe the start-date is March 27, 2010

I thought that was odd too, but that's what they filed. It's probably somehow related to their new alliance with Lufthansa. I don't doubt it is their screw up.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 13):
If the SOC goes through as we have been told on another recent thread, these flights are actually DL, not NW.

I only report what they file. When they file it together I will do so as well.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):
Could this be a sign they want to add some of these back?

As Cubsrule said, given the rest of their filing it is hard to trust any of it, but it looks to me that they are re-deploying capacity away from AirTran. That was really evident last week. Perhaps they have decided what you propose as a better yielding strategy for the Midwest.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
Because I didn't post last week, I downloaded two updates this week. The first one is below, but I had some problems with the second one. If that one is resolved I will make a second post this week with more changes.

It appears the reason there were problems with the second data run is that there were no changes for North America and that's why I was having problems. Things are just really slow with the American Holidays I guess.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 16):
I only report what they file. When they file it together I will do so as well.

I'm not criticizing, just kinda weird to believe that NW is almost gone with the wind.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2633 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3753 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 12):
Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10):
Also seems strange, CO wont fly EWR-MUC.

CO is flying the route. I believe the start-date is March 27, 2010

According to CO's PC time table, before I uploaded the latest update, CO was not shown EWR-MUC. With a download update, the flight is shown
CO 106 EWR 1740 MUC 0750 (Eff 3/27/10 762. Goes 764 on 6/16/10.)
CO 107 MUC 0920 EWR 1225 ( Eff 3/28/10, 762. Goes 764 on 6/17/10.)


User currently offlineKirkSeattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3734 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
Even though US is set to start service to CLT on Feb 11? Doesn't really matter I guess...they can both coexist in MLB...



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
US might not be the only new carrier at MLB this spring...

Good for Melbourne. I've been going through this airport for almost 20 years and have seen the ups and downs. I, like many, have also been going to Orlando for better flight options. Delta has been the lone, (major) carrier for quite some time.


User currently offlinePhxtodcatomsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Are you seeing MSP-PSC? I see it on nwa.com returning this summer on a CRJ-900

User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3399 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 18):
I'm not criticizing, just kinda weird to believe that NW is almost gone with the wind.

Ahh, Northwest Orient...

Quoting Phxtodcatomsp (Reply 21):
Are you seeing MSP-PSC? I see it on nwa.com returning this summer on a CRJ-900

That must have just been added. It was not in the schedule as of my last download.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Looks like AA is going 13x daily on MIA-NAS in April -12 ATRs and one ERJ.


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3236 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Who...then?

AA to MIA? Well Eagle or Executive?


25 MAH4546 : Executive.
26 CIDFlyer : That would certainly be a welcome move. I would love to see CID-ATL come back. Keeping ATL along with MSP/DTW seems to balance out the route maps mor
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