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Delta To Close Down Comair?  
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

According to Delta spokesperson Meghan Glynn, Delta will shut down Comair if the pilots' vote rejects the National Mediation Board's proposals for ending the strike.

"People may have taken their last Comair flight, that's how serious this is"

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User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

why? i didn`t think it was that bad. wow

D E L T A 7 7 7


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

That would be too bad for the non-pilot employees who depended on their Comair paycheck to pay the rent.

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

This has been going around Atlanta in rumor form for several weeks. As the rumor goes, Delta would have ASA finance the purchasing of as many of Comair's RJ's as it could afford, and slowly re-open CVG and MCO as ASA hubs.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

So ALPA kills another airline.......

And nobody wins......



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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Wouldn't the ASA pilots flying the new CVG and MCO routes be considered scabs anb be subject to all that union bs?

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
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Which is more expensive for DL, do you think? Financing a large amount of RJ and facility purchases, or giving the pilots a little more in the contract?

User currently offlineSeasonedflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Actually, Delta Air Lines owns both ASA and Comair.... there would be no financing involved in moving aircraft from Comair to ASA....just a trip to the paint shop to spray over the Comair titles and lay on an ASA emblem.

And if Comair no longer exists, then ASA pilots wouldn't be flying 'struck' work.



User currently offlineTomindc From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Do ASA pilots belong to the same union as those at Comair?

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Question: Me and my brother have Comair tickets for the end of July. If Comair is shut or even if the strike is still on, are we just "screwed" or will Delta try to accomodate?
mls515


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Delta will accomodate. Keep an eye on the situation and if DAL announces a shutdown, call them IMMEDIATELY to have your flight changed.

User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2332 times:

Comair probably won;t be shutdown, but it will be a shadow of the airline it used to be. This may lead to it shutting down however. Don't forget that Comair's negotiators are the some negotiators that were on the Eastern negotiating team when they went on strike, effectively crippling Eastern airlines and ultimately closing the airline.

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2327 times:

Maybe the union big-wheels are putting Comair employees on a suicide mission to see how far they can push a company before they take the tent poles down. Hmmm. Anyway....

Supposed DAL shuts down Comair and puts the operation under the ASA umbrella, I suspect the non-pilot employees of Comair would simply have new patches sewn on their uniforms, but does anyone know what the striking pilots would have to go through to get their jobs back as ASA pilots? Rehiring? Would DAL punish them and make them do a song and dance to fly as ASA?



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User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2314 times:

I was talking to a freind who works for the FAA this past weekend. He said that Delta is going to start putting the regional jets into the ASA system and close down Comairr. He also said that all Comair pilots won't be working for Delta ever again.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2282 times:

DL just announced new service from CVG to BTV (Burlington, VT). Guess who's flying this route....not Comair!!

Instead, this route will be flown by ACJet...3 times daily with the Dornier 328 Jet. Looks like DL is already planning for Comair's demise.


User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2275 times:

I've heard similar rumors. Heard that Comair management had informed some non-pilot employee groups that it may be wise to submit an application to ASA.

But we all know how this industry is with rumors.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2278 times:
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That still doesn't answer the question of having ASA pilots fly struck work... if this really was what would happen (kill Comair, enhance ASA), then that would be the effect, right?

What about having Skywest do it? I know they're not O&O by DL (yet), but at least it wouldn't be as dicey with the unions...


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Skywest and ACJet are not Delta subsidiaries..

I'm curious though, DL now was ASA to fall back on should Comair be shut down, but, what's to keep the ASA pilots from striking ASA in this manner? Are ASA pilots better paid? Organized by a more sensible union?

regards
russ


User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Rumors are flying in Cincinnati that Leo Mullin is in town to make an important press conference that could change Comair in a big way.

Also: Yesterday outside the Holiday Inn where pilots were voting, hundreds of other comair employees surrounded the entrance chanting "save our jobs!" I guess the pilots don't have the employee backing they thought they had.


User currently offlineHerbie99 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

There is a 4pm news conference with Frederick Reid, Delta's President and COO, at CVG about Comair's future (or lack of one).

User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

aha.

Thanx for clearing that up herbie


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

According to some of the ASA employees here in ATL, their pilot contract comes up next year and they too are planning to strike.

Both ASA and Comair are ALPA represented. A post on another site from a Comair pilot said that more than 100 Comair pilots have found work at other carriers during the strike, possibly upwards of 200 have moved on.

A few years down the road ASA and Comair were to have been merged and oprerated under the DL Connection banner. This would be a difficult thing to do with the merger of seniority lists and renegotiating new union contracts.

This move facilitiates what was to be inevitable. Comair will cease to exist and CVG flying will be divied up between Mainline DL for long haul and heavily travelled routes, ASA and ACJet.

The RJ's that DL returned to Bombardier on behalf of Comair have been "remarketed" to both ASA and Skywest.

ACJet also operates a few Canadairs, and should be able to pick these up at a rapid clip from Bombardier. More than likely all of Comairs employees will be picked up by ASA. They will be paid at ASA pay rates and will have their seniority intact.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Delta's ownership of both Comair and ASA is under the banner of Delta Connection Inc. So if Delta does decide to shut down Comair, all they would really have to do is surrender the Comair operating certificate to the FAA. Essentially Delta already owns Comair's fleet, at least in terms of financing. I heard rumors six months ago that Delta was considering merging ASA and Comair into a single entity as opposed to two airlines owned by the same company, operating under the Delta Connection name. As for who would fly the Comair aircraft (that is if the pilots decide to return), I could see the reserve crews at ASA and possibly Delta being called in to operate flights until a significant number of pilots are hired to handle flights. This will definitely mean that a relaunched, rebranded Comair (as ASA) would take some time to return to the schedule that they were operating pre-strike. The only people that are to blame for the eventually folding of Comair is the pilots themselves. They had the chance to save their company, but got too greedy. I know that sounds a little mean, but they are going to affect a lot more workers than just themselves.

User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Actually ASAs contract comes up soon and they are asking for exactly what Comair is asking for. So moving operations to them would be tough, that plus they are hard pressed with just the growth trhat they got now. Skywest is soon to vote on ALPA represntation and they are leaning towards having them come on field so it would be tough to just transfer to either operator. ACJet is at the max of their expansion, really can't handle anymore with Delta and United, training backlogs for 6 or more months so would take a while to move in with any force.
As for whether or not it would be struck work according to the MEC it would be. Actually according to law it would be too, unless a new completely independent owner with no backing from Comair or Delta started up. They also couldn't have any financing from either, so would be tough.


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

this is crazy!!!!!!

25 Goingboeing : For all you airline mogul entreprenuers - Now would be a good time to start up a nice little regional airline - I have an idea that if ASA pulls the s
26 N312RC : A non union airline? In today's politically correct age? HA! Good luck! I'll fly you if it ever happens. Im going to play airpro 2000.
27 Miller22 : I'm in. RJ's are about as good as your going to get, since you can buy Comairs terminal, but 737's don't have a place to park unless you plan on using
28 Goingboeing : I believe JetBlue is non union. For now.
29 DCA-ROCguy : CV, I'd like to see some citations for your claim that bringing ASA or SkyWest to CVG after a Comair bankruptcy would be "struck work. I don't buy it.
30 Post contains images Miller22 : I don't think the poisoning of CVG will be done by Delta, but rather by ALPA. I agree thats its ludicrous, but look what ALPA has already done to over
31 Goingboeing : And if ALPA views all CVG flights as "struck work" and any pilot flying them a "scab", does that make CVG residents who fly Delta "seeping wounds".
32 CAETravlr : You know... You have to wonder, if Bush did not assign a Presidential Emergency Board to this, could it be because this is a catalyst for consolidatio
33 Tan flyr : The Comair thing is under the radar screen at the White House because it is not national in stature. CAE, I have to dis-agree about your remark that B
34 CAETravlr : Tan_flyr, Thanks for your comments. You are right, Bush does not do ANYTHING that big biz asks for, but he is very economy oriented, which I like abou
35 Tan flyr : The Comair thing is under the radar screen at the White House because it is not national in stature. CAE, I have to dis-agree about your remark that B
36 Tan flyr : sorry forthe 2nd post..power burp!
37 Miller22 : Just returned from Cincinnati: Delta IS NOT BLUFFING! There are two manila envelopes in the headquarters. One is labeled "Pilots end strike" and the o
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