Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2099 times:
This has been going around Atlanta in rumor form for several weeks. As the rumor goes, Delta would have ASA finance the purchasing of as many of Comair's RJ's as it could afford, and slowly re-open CVG and MCO as ASA hubs.
Seasonedflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2074 times:
Actually, Delta Air Lines owns both ASA and Comair.... there would be no financing involved in moving aircraft from Comair to ASA....just a trip to the paint shop to spray over the Comair titles and lay on an ASA emblem.
And if Comair no longer exists, then ASA pilots wouldn't be flying 'struck' work.
Miller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 711 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
Comair probably won;t be shutdown, but it will be a shadow of the airline it used to be. This may lead to it shutting down however. Don't forget that Comair's negotiators are the some negotiators that were on the Eastern negotiating team when they went on strike, effectively crippling Eastern airlines and ultimately closing the airline.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
Maybe the union big-wheels are putting Comair employees on a suicide mission to see how far they can push a company before they take the tent poles down. Hmmm. Anyway....
Supposed DAL shuts down Comair and puts the operation under the ASA umbrella, I suspect the non-pilot employees of Comair would simply have new patches sewn on their uniforms, but does anyone know what the striking pilots would have to go through to get their jobs back as ASA pilots? Rehiring? Would DAL punish them and make them do a song and dance to fly as ASA?
UPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
I was talking to a freind who works for the FAA this past weekend. He said that Delta is going to start putting the regional jets into the ASA system and close down Comairr. He also said that all Comair pilots won't be working for Delta ever again.
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
Skywest and ACJet are not Delta subsidiaries..
I'm curious though, DL now was ASA to fall back on should Comair be shut down, but, what's to keep the ASA pilots from striking ASA in this manner? Are ASA pilots better paid? Organized by a more sensible union?
Miller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 711 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Rumors are flying in Cincinnati that Leo Mullin is in town to make an important press conference that could change Comair in a big way.
Also: Yesterday outside the Holiday Inn where pilots were voting, hundreds of other comair employees surrounded the entrance chanting "save our jobs!" I guess the pilots don't have the employee backing they thought they had.
Exusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1897 times:
According to some of the ASA employees here in ATL, their pilot contract comes up next year and they too are planning to strike.
Both ASA and Comair are ALPA represented. A post on another site from a Comair pilot said that more than 100 Comair pilots have found work at other carriers during the strike, possibly upwards of 200 have moved on.
A few years down the road ASA and Comair were to have been merged and oprerated under the DL Connection banner. This would be a difficult thing to do with the merger of seniority lists and renegotiating new union contracts.
This move facilitiates what was to be inevitable. Comair will cease to exist and CVG flying will be divied up between Mainline DL for long haul and heavily travelled routes, ASA and ACJet.
The RJ's that DL returned to Bombardier on behalf of Comair have been "remarketed" to both ASA and Skywest.
ACJet also operates a few Canadairs, and should be able to pick these up at a rapid clip from Bombardier. More than likely all of Comairs employees will be picked up by ASA. They will be paid at ASA pay rates and will have their seniority intact.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17298 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Delta's ownership of both Comair and ASA is under the banner of Delta Connection Inc. So if Delta does decide to shut down Comair, all they would really have to do is surrender the Comair operating certificate to the FAA. Essentially Delta already owns Comair's fleet, at least in terms of financing. I heard rumors six months ago that Delta was considering merging ASA and Comair into a single entity as opposed to two airlines owned by the same company, operating under the Delta Connection name. As for who would fly the Comair aircraft (that is if the pilots decide to return), I could see the reserve crews at ASA and possibly Delta being called in to operate flights until a significant number of pilots are hired to handle flights. This will definitely mean that a relaunched, rebranded Comair (as ASA) would take some time to return to the schedule that they were operating pre-strike. The only people that are to blame for the eventually folding of Comair is the pilots themselves. They had the chance to save their company, but got too greedy. I know that sounds a little mean, but they are going to affect a lot more workers than just themselves.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 951 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
Actually ASAs contract comes up soon and they are asking for exactly what Comair is asking for. So moving operations to them would be tough, that plus they are hard pressed with just the growth trhat they got now. Skywest is soon to vote on ALPA represntation and they are leaning towards having them come on field so it would be tough to just transfer to either operator. ACJet is at the max of their expansion, really can't handle anymore with Delta and United, training backlogs for 6 or more months so would take a while to move in with any force.
As for whether or not it would be struck work according to the MEC it would be. Actually according to law it would be too, unless a new completely independent owner with no backing from Comair or Delta started up. They also couldn't have any financing from either, so would be tough.