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Virgin America Looking To Add ORD  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

From this morning's Chicago Tribune. Probably a good time to add ORD ahead of an anticipated increase in leisure travel. Any guess as to which terminal they'd use? Since we're on topic, how is JetBlue faring at ORD?!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...n-ohare-1212-dec12,0,5033714.story

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000524_FORTUNE5.htm


Agreements to buy 2 planes
Close to agreements to buy 2 more planes
6-8 new planes expected in 2010, another 12 in 2011
Two new cities in 2010, one of them ORD

Chicago is indeed one of the new cities for 2010. We will see also an increase in freq on VX network LAX-SFO/LAS.

I would like to see them starting East coast service FLL-JFK/IAD/BOS

JFK-SEA/SAN
SAN-FLL/LAS/JFK/IAD

In another thread about VX you could find more info about gate in ORD and possible roues..


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5663 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
Chicago is indeed one of the new cities for 2010.

So...

A year ago, the gate situation wasn't acceptable.

The gate situation hasn't appreciably changed, though the economy has arguably gotten worse.
How is it that the gate situation is now acceptable?



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5627 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
The gate situation hasn't appreciably changed, though the economy has arguably gotten worse.
How is it that the gate situation is now acceptable?

The ex-DL gates on Concourse L have been split, according to my source (a former UA exec who still has close ties to UA and knows what's up at ORD).

L3, L5, and L7 went to AA for AmericanConnection ops starting in April, and are currently being refurbished to AA stAAndards. The old Delta Sky Club will probably be renovated into a third Admirals Club as well.

AA originally wanted L9 and L10 as well, but the City of Chicago wouldn't let AA have them to preserve competition at ORD. Hence, L9 and L10 went to the City and have become common use gates. L10 is being used for NK's ops as before, and both gates will be used by VX when they enter ORD early next year.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5621 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
Hence, L9 and L10 went to the City and have become common use gates. L10 is being used for NK's ops as before, and both gates will be used by VX when they enter ORD early next year.

So one full-time gate and another part time is now acceptable, where it was not before?

Why in the world didn't AA take the widebody gates and leave 3 and 5 to the City?



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
So one full-time gate and another part time is now acceptable, where it was not before?

At last check, VX only plans to fly 8 flights a day out of ORD (4x LAX and 4x SFO).

NK currently flies 5 flights a day from ORD (3x FLL and 2x RSW).

B6 flies 8-9 flights a day out of one gate at ORD.

You do the math...

[Edited 2009-12-12 09:17:48]

[Edited 2009-12-12 09:18:55]


I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5569 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 5):
You do the math...

But none of the math has changed! That's my point.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5473 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
The ex-DL gates on Concourse L have been split, according to my source (a former UA exec who still has close ties to UA and knows what's up at ORD).

Thanks for the update, I'd been wondering what's happening with the L gates.

How about the gates that AA subleased from Delta (L1, L2A, L2B, L4, L6 and L8). I assume AA still leases them?



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5470 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 7):
How about the gates that AA subleased from Delta (L1, L2A, L2B, L4, L6 and L8). I assume AA still leases them?

Yes.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2846 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5446 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Probably a good time to add ORD ahead of an anticipated increase in leisure travel.

Chicago is a great city to visit, but ORD isn't much of a "leisure" destination. Most people seem to be headed there to visit friends and family or strictly on business. On the other hand, Chicagoans headed to California, that may be quite the leisure crowd...

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Any guess as to which terminal they'd use?

Terminal 3, the only domestic terminal with any vacant space at the moment.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
how is JetBlue faring at ORD?!

From what I've heard, not great. Though, their fares from ORD are quite high, and they are adding additional flights to BOS (JFK and LGB still see fewer flights than they originally did, however). I still think they could certainly do well with flights to MCO and FLL, perhaps even RSW, TPA, PBI, SJU, CUN, OAK, SAN, or BUR.

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
I would like to see them starting East coast service FLL-JFK/IAD/BOS

I believe Virgin America publicly stated when starting FLL that they had no interest in flying on the East Coast, for now, due to intense competition (they mainly face AS, UA, and WN on the West Coast, but these airlines have vastly inferior products - on the East Coast, they would be up against more comparable foes like DL, CO, and B6).

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
JFK-SEA/SAN

I do believe Virgin does want to fly these routes, but slots at JFK are impossible to come by these days...

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
SAN-FLL/LAS/JFK/IAD

If slots can be obtained, JFK-SAN will happen, but given VX's troubles at ORD, I wouldn't wait around for that. SAN-LAS probably won't happen until LAX-LAS does. FLL is too small a market from SAN, and if B6 couldn't make IAD-SAN work, how could VX pull it off?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
A year ago, the gate situation wasn't acceptable.

It most certainly was not. With all three domestic terminals completely controlled by incumbents, Virgin's only option was to operate from T5 (requiring remote ops during peak hours) or pay hefty subleases to a direct competitor.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
The gate situation hasn't appreciably changed,

It absolutely has. CO has now moved in with UA, allowing DL to consolidate in T2 and freeing up space in T3 for AA to expand and new entrants to come in.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
So one full-time gate and another part time is now acceptable, where it was not before?

I believe VX did have the option for a single gate before (B6 has just one, and does operate 8 flights from it), and its demand for 2 gates to serve 8 daily flights was rebuffed by the city, which requires all gates to have at least 5 daily flights operated from them. Now, Virgin can operate 5 or more departures from one gate and the remainder from the shared one, without breaking a city rule or paying an expensive sublease to have simultanous ops to LAX and SFO.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5424 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Virgin's only option was to operate from T5 (requiring remote ops during peak hours) or pay hefty subleases to a direct competitor.

Hefty? Hardly. Many low-cost carriers (NK, DH, HP among others) found it cheaper to sublease than to operate out of T-5 (where carriers must pay per use, just as VX will be doing now). CO was ready, willing, and able to host VX.

I would not be shocked if they wind up paying just as much as, if not more than, they would have paid CO.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5309 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 5):

At last check, VX only plans to fly 8 flights a day out of ORD (4x LAX and 4x SFO).

Is there really the demand for it or is this another example of why airlines perform so poorly? Unless I'm missing an airline or a frequency I'm counting 19 daily flights between ORD and LAX on AA and UA. You are talking about a 21% boost in service plus the addition of at least the 3rd carrier on the route. What is that going to do to loads and yields? Having had only 1 successful quarter in the history of the company I'm not sure that jumping into one of the most delay prone airports in the U.S. is the smartest move.

But on the other hand they do offer a unique product and have the opportunity to take business travelers from AA and UA who are tired of paying top dollar for a rather bland product. I guess here is a chance to find out whether a quality product will win out over a large network (for FF customers) and brand loyalty.

Based on photos I would say they have the best product in the country. I've experience domestic business/first on 3 different airlines and just wasn't impressed. Theirs seems to rival international business class.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5198 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Chicago is a great city to visit, but ORD isn't much of a "leisure" destination. Most people seem to be headed there to visit friends and family or strictly on business. On the other hand, Chicagoans headed to California, that may be quite the leisure crowd...

I know. I'm from Chicago. Obviously, they'd be trying to attract a young, presumably chic demographic looking to travel to the West Coast (similar to B6). In terms of practicality, they're going to struggle to compete with UA and AA who offer frequencies and connections to/from ORD, SFO, and LAX, not to mention WN whose pax will inevitably forego IFE and mood lighting for lower fares and more destinations (again from MDW and LAX).

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
From what I've heard, not great

Right - this was originally a rhetorical question, hence the exclamation point.

Seems to me VA's service will be for the sake of saying they serve Chicago, as opposed to any legit attempt to make an impact in the market. Call me once they begin service from ORD to FLL, SJU, LAS and other more interesting or exotic locales but until then, I'm not interested.

777fan



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User currently offlinePUDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5078 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Why in the world didn't AA take the widebody gates and leave 3 and 5 to the City?

My guess based on AA's announcement this fall is that a lot of the new flights will be on RJs and they are going to use American Connection at ORD since they are pulling out of STL. Only a small percentage of the new flights will be on mainline aircraft.

Thats why we are seeing things like CRJ7s with first class. And the purchase of more RJs. The 737s are really only replacing the MD80s not adding growth. Of-course AA wants more gates, but they have enough wide body gates and the expansion won't be done using larger aircraft.

The one question I have is if they are using these new gates for smaller aircraft is there room to reconfigure these and add an additional gate since the planes are smaller than the MD80s Delta parked there?

PUDFW


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5071 times:



Quoting PUDFW (Reply 13):
My guess based on AA's announcement this fall is that a lot of the new flights will be on RJs and they are going to use American Connection at ORD since they are pulling out of STL. Only a small percentage of the new flights will be on mainline aircraft.

That's true, but 10 has been used for loading RJs for years. It seems like a good idea to have as much flexibility as possible, and 9 and 10 would give AA more flexibility than 3 and 5.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
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Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
Agreements to buy 2 planes
Close to agreements to buy 2 more planes
6-8 new planes expected in 2010, another 12 in 2011
Two new cities in 2010, one of them ORD

That's a lot of new metal!

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
JFK-SEA/SAN
SAN-FLL/LAS/JFK/IAD

I would hope they could use the new planes to serve new cities. I am still rooting for PDX to come online, as it is a gaping hole in VX's west coast network. I think that SEA-New York already has a decent lift with CO/AA/B6/AS so I am doubtful that VX would bother.

ORD would be a good addition for them, but to be frank, the market is already saturated based on UA/AA servicing SFO and LAX from ORD using large aircraft with a ton of frequencies, plus WN's SFO-MDW.

Still, I wish VX every gram of my luck, they will need it.

~CGKings317  Smile



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4950 times:



Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 15):
I am still rooting for PDX to come online,

Portland is 'when", not "if." It is on the short list along with the much discussed Chicago as well as Texas and Canada.

On an all hands call the other day, Cush mentioned they are interested in adding the 321 to their fleet in about 2 years. I guess there was an engine redesign and extra fuel tanks which makes it more suitable to VX missions. Word has it they would like to send them to Hawaii.


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4887 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
If slots can be obtained, JFK-SAN will happen, but given VX's troubles at ORD, I wouldn't wait around for that. SAN-LAS probably won't happen until LAX-LAS does. FLL is too small a market from SAN, and if B6 couldn't make IAD-SAN work, how could VX pull it off?

Just what San Diego needs, another carrier going to JFK.

According to the DOT, SAN-South Florida sees 480 O&D passengers a day.

Besides JFK and BOS, it doesn’t look like B6 can make anything else out of SAN work. IAD, SLC and SEA have been discontinued. I wouldn’t compare much to B6 in SAN.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4785 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
If slots can be obtained, JFK-SAN will happen, but given VX's troubles at ORD, I wouldn't wait around for that. SAN-LAS probably won't happen until LAX-LAS does. FLL is too small a market from SAN, and if B6 couldn't make IAD-SAN work, how could VX pull it off?

Yes, I don´t understand why they don´t serve LAS-LAX, maybe we could see now when new airplanes arrive, they could do LAX-LAS-SAN-LAS-LAX, it could work very good.

Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 15):
I would hope they could use the new planes to serve new cities. I am still rooting for PDX to come online, as it is a gaping hole in VX's west coast network. I think that SEA-New York already has a decent lift with CO/AA/B6/AS so I am doubtful that VX would bother.

I undestand that the route is already well served but tell me a route not previosly well served in VX network LAX-JFK, LAX-SFO, SFO-JFK...., VX is trying to steal pax to other airlines offering a good product, lower prizes.

Quoting C767P (Reply 17):
According to the DOT, SAN-South Florida sees 480 O&D passengers a day.

So SAN-FLL could work....

Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 15):
I am still rooting for PDX to come online, as it is a gaping hole in VX's west coast network.

Yes it is...but do they want to compete with a well stablish airline like Alaska Airlines???? I think they could start direct flights to LAX and SFO in a not very far future,

Is it so hard to get slots at JFK or EWR???

Why FLL and not MIA?? if they serve SFO, LAX, JFK.......


I read somewhere that they might be interestid in MSY as well,


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2846 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4683 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
Portland is 'when", not "if." It is on the short list along with the much discussed Chicago as well as Texas and Canada.

Portland is the only major West Coast airport not served by VX yet. We have seen some pretty drastic downgrades by AS on the PDX-SFO route and UA on the PDX-LAX route, giving VX an opportunity to gain ground, but something tells me the minute VX announces PDX WN will find a reason to connect PDX with SFO and perhaps even nonstop to LAX...

Chicago sounds like it will happen before next summer.

Texas could mean DFW, IAH, or even AUS. I do think YYZ and YVR would also be good fits for the VX network.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
Word has it they would like to send them to Hawaii.

I do think SFO could use some additional flights to Hawaii considering everything that has been added from just about everywhere else on the West Coast...



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4626 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 19):
We have seen some pretty drastic downgrades by AS on the PDX-SFO route and UA on the PDX-LAX route, giving VX an opportunity to gain ground, but something tells me the minute VX announces PDX WN will find a reason to connect PDX with SFO and perhaps even nonstop to LAX...

I agree. Word on the street is also UA will switch to UAX for all SFO-PDX flights soon. So a full service carrier on the route could do well. Of course the moment VX were to announce Portland, Alaska would probably add mainline back. But it is clearly a market that fits the VX demographic.

As for Texas, I would guess Austin would be first. I don't think VX is ready for the inevitable bloodbath that would come with Dallas and/or Houston.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4593 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
I believe Virgin America publicly stated when starting FLL that they had no interest in flying on the East Coast, for now, due to intense competition

Branson publicly stated they hope to fly up and down the East Coast from FLL during his speech at the FLL inaugural flight. I don't think they will do it unless the service shifts south to MIA, where it should have been launched in the first place.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
FLL is too small a market from SAN,

No, it's not. It's big enough a market, close to 600 a day during the winter, but it needs a network carrier with a hub on one end to make it truly viable year-round. VX isn't that carrier.



a.
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4501 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
As for Texas, I would guess Austin would be first. I don't think VX is ready for the inevitable bloodbath that would come with Dallas and/or Houston.

This article suggests the same thing, but not until 2011 (at the earliest).

Quote:
Beyond next year, plans call for adding 12 more aircraft in 2011 and possibly beginning service to Texas -- either Dallas or Austin.

Dallas is bigger, but Virgin would face "the 800-pound gorilla" of American Airlines, which is based at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, "so we're going to be careful about that," Cush said.

Austin, with its tech-heavy economy, would be a nice pairing for Virgin's base in San Francisco, he said.

It would be nice, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4298 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
From what I've heard, not great. Though, their fares from ORD are quite high, and they are adding additional flights to BOS (JFK and LGB still see fewer flights than they originally did, however). I still think they could certainly do well with flights to MCO and FLL, perhaps even RSW, TPA, PBI, SJU, CUN, OAK, SAN, or BUR.

They are stuck when it comes to adding service from LGB because of the cap the city has placed on departures from their. I'm sure if they could, they would add another LGB-ORD frequency. The E90s do well on this route.

I could see B6 doing very well if they added BUR-ORD. This market hasn't seen nonstop service for many years.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
slots can be obtained, JFK-SAN will happen, but given VX's troubles at ORD, I wouldn't wait around for that. SAN-LAS probably won't happen until LAX-LAS does. FLL is too small a market from SAN, and if B6 couldn't make IAD-SAN work, how could VX pull it off?

Why does VX need to start service on LAX-LAS? This route seems very well served by WN, with 15+ daily flights, UA has multiple daily flights and now DL has a few as well. I believe AA has a couple two. It actually would seem this market is a bit over-saturated right now.

Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
Is there really the demand for it or is this another example of why airlines perform so poorly? Unless I'm missing an airline or a frequency I'm counting 19 daily flights between ORD and LAX on AA and UA. You are talking about a 21% boost in service plus the addition of at least the 3rd carrier on the route. What is that going to do to loads and yields? Having had only 1 successful quarter in the history of the company I'm not sure that jumping into one of the most delay prone airports in the U.S. is the smartest move.

I believe there's more than 19 daily flights on LAX-ORD. I'll do some checking for day next week. UA alone has a 12+ flights and I believe AA has nearly 10 daily nonstops.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 19):
Portland is the only major West Coast airport not served by VX yet. We have seen some pretty drastic downgrades by AS on the PDX-SFO route and UA on the PDX-LAX route, giving VX an opportunity to gain ground, but something tells me the minute VX announces PDX WN will find a reason to connect PDX with SFO and perhaps even nonstop to LAX...

What's UA thinking by pulling all of this mainline service on these busy routes? LAX-SEA has gone UAX, so did LAX-PDX and now they want to do it with these routes from their busy hub of SFO? Are their costs that high now they just can't make it work?? This definitely would be a good market for VX.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4298 times:
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Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
Agreements to buy 2 planes
Close to agreements to buy 2 more planes
6-8 new planes expected in 2010, another 12 in 2011
Two new cities in 2010, one of them ORD

Will the new Airbus' coming online be a combination of 319/320s, or all 320s, 319s etc? How many a/c does VX have on order right now?


25 Tommy767 : If they could get the slots I would also expect Virgin to enter the EWR market as well on flights to EWR-LAX/LAS. If they could get the slots I think
26 BigGSFO : LAX-LAS is well served but it is also a large market with over 2,600 passengers every day. I can see them adding a few flights - driving US, DL and p
27 Live2fly83 : they made it clear last year they want EWR but the slots they got were horrible I suspect CO would stand and fight as AS
28 LACA773 : Thanks for your perspective BigGSFO. US is already pulling way down with the shuttering of their hub. If I remember correctly, they are going all USX
29 777fan : Hmmm, sounds like B6... . BTW, a random search for JFK-SFO ticket for late January returned fares as low as $218 on VA...and also AA, UA. I'm not sur
30 Cubsrule : ...but with ExPlus at UA's disposal, switching to Express isn't necessarily a service downgrade.
31 AS739X : Word on the street it not correct. According to UA they have no time frame for SFO-PDX going all CR7. The flights using mainline do very well. It wil
32 BigGSFO : Thanks. This actually sounds more credible than my source.
33 LACA773 : Thanks AS739X. I didn't think it was something worth VX taking on at all .
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