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What Airports Will 787 Visit During Testing?  
User currently offlineSJC30L From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18093 times:

Does anyone know what airports are likely to see the 787 during its testing? Any chance I'll see it at one of the Bay Area airports here?

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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18111 times:

It won't leave the Seattle/Moses Lake area. They'll need to keep it near an airport with facilities to handle any issue that might come up. Can you imagine if it landed at OAK and a light came on that prevented the plane from leaving? Boeing doesn't have a hangar or their own people on staff at that airport.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18113 times:
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Some off the cuff guess would be:

BFI (duh)
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MWH
07MT
TUS
MHR


User currently offlineSJC30L From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18089 times:

Don't aircraft typically visit airports with extreme conditions (heat, cold, altitiude, etc) at some point during testing to validate their performance in those conditions (not that there are any extreme conditions here in the Bay Area)?

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18069 times:

Doesn't B like to send new planes to EDW as well? IIRC the 777 did lots of testing there.

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3013 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17847 times:

I think the 777 spent time at Williams-Gateway...
Could easily be wrong tho...



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17755 times:

What, no landing at RNT  Wink

I'm kidding, of course  Smile



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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17620 times:

they will go to the desert and to the frozen north for temperature testing..... maybe alaska or north canada, and for hot & high they might go to Ecuador or Bolivia.

User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2989 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17495 times:

777 was cold tested at FAI. A380 was cold tested at YQB, which has a better weather profile from January to April for the temps required.


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User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2989 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17484 times:

Oops - I meant YFB for the 380.


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17293 times:



Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 9):

Indeed...Iqaluit is lovely this time of year.



What the...?
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17180 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 1):
It won't leave the Seattle/Moses Lake area. They'll need to keep it near an airport with facilities to handle any issue that might come up. Can you imagine if it landed at OAK and a light came on that prevented the plane from leaving? Boeing doesn't have a hangar or their own people on staff at that airport.

Yes, but what about the time when route proving trials start?


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16833 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
Doesn't B like to send new planes to EDW as well?

They will do some brake testing there.



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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16753 times:

Didn't both Boeing and Airbus send the 777 and A380 to KEF for X-wind testing?

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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16437 times:

I would imagine that PHX during the summer will be top on the list.


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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16147 times:



Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 14):
I would imagine that PHX during the summer will be top on the list.

Not really. Edwards or Victorville work. Australia works too if it needs to be done during the southern summer.

You will not see the 787 being tested at many commercial airports. The few commercial airports that regularly see flight tests usually have limited service like MWK, YKM, KEF and some others.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16143 times:



Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 14):
I would imagine that PHX during the summer will be top on the list.

They will use IWA if they choose the Phoenix area as it is far less busy with similar length runways.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30914 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16121 times:
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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
Doesn't B like to send new planes to EDW as well?



Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 12):
They will do some brake testing there.

They will also evidently perform the full MTOW RTO at EDW.

[Edited 2009-12-14 16:45:13]

User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16124 times:

Boeing tested one of the 777 models at COS for the high altitude, and I will be there to see the 787 if it comes there


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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15824 times:

maybe it will visit Colombia for the high altitude tests . well the A380 did their test in BOG and JMC , and since AV has 10 orders for the 787 is more likely to choose Colombia . !!!

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15800 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
07MT

- Boeing used Glasgow (07MT) for cold weather testing. PBS did a five hour documentary on the 777 (N777UA I believe) and I believe it was the fifth hour that they showed them testing during cold weather. It's a pretty good documentary.

David



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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15719 times:

It would be great to see Boeing bring the 787 to YYT for some testing.
They brought the 738, 739, 764, 77W here for crosswind testing with successful results.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15722 times:

Currently it only has a test certificate. Doesn't that mean it really shouldn't be landing at airports with lots of civilians for the time being?

I bet it will spend a few more months flying around Seattle before moving off to Moses or the desert for landing tests, brake tests, High Speed Brake test and then off for cold soak and hot-high tests.

Maybe around August or September of 2010, we will see it land at a few commercial airports as a part of route proving, world tour, and partner appreciation. That means it could visit Japan, Korea, Australia, Charleston, Wichita, Italy, The UK, and France.

Then maybe a tour of the major airports of carriers that purchased the 787. Finally....the ultimate test...long-range flight. I say fly it from Seattle to Australia and then to DTW non-stop or Cape-town to NRT Non-stop or PER-LHR non-stop.



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15436 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
Doesn't B like to send new planes to EDW as well?



Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 12):
They will do some brake testing there.

They will also evidently perform the full MTOW RTO at EDW.

They will also probably do the test where they drag the tail down the runway until it gets airborne. I can't remember the exact name of the test though.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15251 times:
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Quoting Bohica (Reply 23):
They will also probably do the test where they drag the tail down the runway until it gets airborne. I can't remember the exact name of the test though.

Tail Strike test.

They will also probably do cross wind testing at EDW.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
Currently it only has a test certificate. Doesn't that mean it really shouldn't be landing at airports with lots of civilians for the time being?

It means that only people trained to evacuate a test aircraft, fight (minor) on board fires, know how to use oxygen systems, and a few other things will fly on the plane. You can fly into airports with 'lots of civilians' if you wanted. But for the next few months, Boeing will want to control the cameras.  Wink

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
Maybe around August or September of 2010, we will see it land at a few commercial airports as a part of route proving, world tour, and partner appreciation. That means it could visit Japan, Korea, Australia, Charleston, Wichita, Italy, The UK, and France.

This plane is going to have to go *everywhere* to satisfy the diverse customer base.


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25 PITrules : Minimum Unstick speed (Vmu) testing. They are determining at what speed the aircraft will lift off the ground at a given weight. Putting the tail to
26 Bkircher : In the past Boeing has brought all of their new planes here to Yuma for hot weather testing. I have heard that some form of arrangement has been made
27 Bohica : That's it. Thanks.
28 Tdscanuck : Yes, it will. Flightblogger put up a good post today with all the places that ZA001 alone will go. They used to land 747's at RNT. Until they snapped
29 Laxboeingman : I am so happy. This will be an amazing day for everyone in the aviation community. This is history in the making for the aviation world, the 787 progr
30 PlymSpotter : I know Airbus sent the A380 to KEF. Boeing also sent the 777-300ER to LYR in Svalbard, but I'm not sure if that was for cold weather testing or provi
31 Aussie747 : Although the 777 did hot weather testing at ASP in Australia, depending on type of season they that testing they do it here again.
32 StressedOut : I believe that they often do cross wind testing here at CYS as well.
33 Byrdluvs747 : Thats what I was thinking. I mistakenly used PHX in general.
34 AirIndia : 380 underwent hot weather tests in AAN IIRC.......... gets really hot here...........
35 Spacepope : Drop me a PM if it does, I'll actually head east of the interstate for that one. Saw the GE 747 here for the 747-8 testing. You think yuo can see muc
36 Ha763 : Maybe Boeing will send it here to Hawaii for some ETOPS tests. IIRC, they sent the 777 to KOA during flight testing.
37 Woodsboy : Id love to see the Dreamliner here in FAI for cold weather testing as they did with the 777, 737-700 and 757-300. I cant imagine cold weather testing
38 Post contains links JBirdAV8r : I had totally forgotten about that! Here's the NTSB report for those interested... http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...raft-accident-reports/AAR70
39 Leothedog : About 6 years ago I was watching my son play baseball at Folsom High School. It was around 4:00 in the aftternoon when I looked up and saw the 777-LR
40 N104UA : ICT REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Like that is possible with people on this website I guarentee for the next year people will be where ever this plane is I
41 Bahadir : Not with the rich 'your airplane flew over my mension' type of people in Mercer Island.
42 Post contains links and images Luftfahrer : The A380 was flown to ADD for a high altitude test. View Large View MediumPhoto © Raimund Stehmann However BOG or similar airport in South America ar
43 BartBus : I reckon Boeing will use TLS airport. Just kidding offcourse, altough it would be a PR hit!
44 Ferengi80 : As the UK launch customer is Thomson Airways, I'd love to think we may see the 787 at MAN during her first few months!
45 Gkirk : Wasn't FlyGlobespan the UK launch customer?
46 SierraAir : Today alone it was -25 in Glasgow with a windchill of -46. I'd put that up against Alaska in the cold weather testing competition.
47 Bottie : TUS: close Make it Marana Pinal Air Park
48 JoeCanuck : Bah...! That's tshirt weather. It's -34 in YQU...up from -41 last night...and we're a couple of thousand miles south of Iqaluit, where it really star
49 Burnsie28 : They have tested a lot more than one 777 most of the companies, GE and Boeing do their high ALT testing at COS, the 787 will join them along with the
50 Alexinwa : SEA sees a number of Boeing planes testing the ground equip, jetways, baggage equip. etc. SEA has seen the 747ER and the 777 as of late.
51 MadameConcorde : I wonder if they will go to Nunaavut, Inuit land, like they did with the A380 for extreme cold weather testing. Concorde used Keflavik.
52 SMF757 : I remember seeing this as well - what an increadable sight! After it left MHR, it flew to SMF. I raced up to SMF and got a chance to see it take off.
53 Viscount724 : YQU is actually only 594 miles south of YFB, about 55 deg. N vs 63 deg. N.
54 Post contains links JoeCanuck : According to google maps, it's 1806 statute miles...slightly more on great circle mapper. http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=y...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLO
55 Post contains links Rangercarp : According to FlightBlogger http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...etter-know-a-dreamliner---par.html Initial testing will be at Boeing Field, Moses La
56 KELPkid : Her experimental certification means she has to log 40 accident-free hours before overflying 'densely populated' areas Probably won't take long....
57 Redcenterflyer : Bring her to ASP. Got a really hot summer coming up. 777 testing was fantastic to watch when she was here as mentioned earlier .
58 Brons2 : I think the 788 should visit both HVN and HEL.
59 MPDPilot : Is there any way of know where and when the 787 will be at various airports? Living in Phoenix, I would drive to Yuma or Tucson if I knew it was going
60 MadameConcorde : In Nuunavut I remember they left the A380 test machine under -43°C the whole night and then they had to go in the morning and start the engines again
61 BmiBaby737 : Will the aircraft be allowed to visit Farnborough Air Show in the summer?
62 Viscount724 : " target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=y...TYLE= Yes but you are missing the point of my post. The post I was responding to said YQU (Gra
63 Kaboom360 : Actually, First Choice Airways FCA were UK launch customer, but they have since merged with ThomsonFly (Tui Group) to become Thomson Airways TOM. Sha
64 JoeCanuck : ...and you seem to have taken me a bit too literally; every time I, (or any other canuck), heads past the arctic circle, and not actually navigating,
65 Tdscanuck : If it's cold enough, they'd use it (it's a Boeing airport). But Glasgow's main point in life is mostly for noise testing. Cold weather testing is nor
66 VirginFlyer : We do have winter in the southern hemisphere... Admittedly Africa, Australia and New Zealand don't really get anything as extreme compared to the nor
67 Tdscanuck : It was specifically mentioned in relation to icing, I believe, not cold weather testing. Tom.
68 EZYAirbus : Thomsons head office I believe is at LTN, so hopefully we will see the B787 Demonstrator visit LTN in the next year!? Glenn
69 EBJ1248650 : I recall seeing one of the first 777s there for hot climate testing, so you're probably right about that.
70 Kaiarahi : Embraer cold-weather tests in Alaska.
71 Post contains links Viscount724 : There's nowhere in South America that reaches the -40C to -50C temperatures regularly experienced in noirthern (and not so northern) Canada in mid-wi
72 Yflyer : Hey, I work right across the street from Folsom High School (anyone familiar with the area will immediately know where I work). The 777LR would have
73 JoeCanuck : Don't remind me...it's -15 now and it feels like t-shirt weather.
74 PlymSpotter : South America only really gets cold in the high Andes, even then it's nowhere near as cold as the North, although the air is much drier which can thr
75 Caetravlr : I can't imagine that it would be for any sort of actual testing, but it would be nice if one of the publicity flights in the future were to visit the
76 Dynamicsguy : It'd be nice if they visited MEL for some route proving and to show her off to those of us who work on the program here.
77 Post contains links Brons2 : That was a few days ago, currently it's +23F in Glasgow and there are no below zero temps in the 10 day forecast. Don't know that it's reliably cold
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