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BA Ending BD Code Share  
User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 400 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Any guesses as to the rationale for BA ending BD code share at the end of March? How likely would it be for BA to begin service from LHR to any of the affected cities in Central Asia and the Middle East (TBS, EVN, IKA, ALA, FRU, DAM, BEY, AMM)? It seems BA will now have a large void in this part of the world.

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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2260 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3820 times:



Quoting BNAOWB (Thread starter):
Any guesses as to the rationale for BA ending BD code share at the end of March?

BDs move to *A.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6081 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3801 times:



Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 1):

Quoting BNAOWB (Thread starter):
Any guesses as to the rationale for BA ending BD code share at the end of March?

BDs move to *A.

BD was part of Star long before BA and BD code shared on the middle eastern routes.



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

The codeshare was only for a certain time after BMED's take over. It was never going to be forever so is rightly ending.

User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3775 times:



Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 1):
BDs move to *A.

BD was already part of Star Alliance back in 2000



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2260 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3732 times:



Quoting 777klm (Reply 4):

BD was already part of Star Alliance back in 2000

Right. sorry. meant acquisition by LH.



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3429 times:

I think the codeshare was a transition that came with BMED when it was acquired by bmi.

It's anybody's guess what BA would do to provide service on these lost routes. My guess is they will not do anything and believe that RJ can cover some needs, while others will be totally lost to competition.

Time tells us that one of the great airlines in Europe has lost a lot of its clout over the past decade, and even in the previous one.



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User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
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Expected development.

Time for BA to revisit its presence in former BMED destinations. In fact BD will ben hurt by this as most of former destinations need BA feed from LHR to be viable. BD does not have sufficient feed from other *A members at LHR to replace the loss from BA.

BA has lost the CIS and many ME and African destinations to *A that is good news to TK which is ideally located to cover all the traffic through IST.

BA has lots of problems at present and I do not expect them to start a new product to serve the market that is lost. Not that I support this, on the contrary, BA could easily allocate a number of A321's to start serving these destinations. I think the following would be essential;

Ankara, Beirut, Damascus, Ekaterinburg, Teheran and Almaty.

We'll wait and see how BA will try to recature lost markets which in fact they need to do to maintain as a global player with a wide network and fill the empty seats to North America from LHR.


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

I think that BD needs to work closeley with AC, United, US and CO at LHR and believe me there will be plenty of opportunities to fill the ME destinations. If anything, BA will be losing a decent amount of passengers heading to the ME/CIS because of their inability to provide the right connections

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3131 times:



Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 7):
Ekaterinburg,

Interesting, why this one?



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Ekateringburg loads were shockingly bad - we used to operate it as a tech stop on the way to Almaty, but it couldn't survive on it's own. Ankara as well, especially in business class. Looking at the passenger manifests on most of our flights and talking to passengers about their connections, the number of pax connecting onto BA flights has grown smaller over the last year, and the vast majority connect onto UA, AC and also VS (who codeshare on many routes). The BA codeshare has become increasingly less important. BD also hold the UK route authority on most of these routes, so unless BA con persuade the UK government to renegotiate bilaterals then BA simply cannot operate these routes. We just await to see what LH's plans are for bmi going foward.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 10):
BD also hold the UK route authority on most of these routes, so unless BA con persuade the UK government to renegotiate bilaterals then BA simply cannot operate these routes. We just await to see what LH's plans are for bmi going foward.

What if there are Open Skies agreements with some of these countries? For example, in 2004, the EU and Lebanon signed an Open Skies agreement. So if BA wanted to launch BEY on its own, I would assume it could do so.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 11):
What if there are Open Skies agreements with some of these countries?

Then BA could launch flights if it wanted right now. However most of the BMed destinations do not have open skies



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7679 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

At the time of the BMed financial problems and prior to when BD purchased them figures were published detailing what proportion of BMed's passengers were fed to them by BA at LHR and what proportion of BMed's passengers were fed by them to BA at LHR.

I cannot find the figures. Nor can I remember them. But I do recall that BMed was highly dependent on feed from BA, primarily of passengers originating in North America. However the feed to BA from BMed was relatively minuscule.

Obviously BD will have been looking to steer transfer traffic at LHR from former BMed routes to its Star partners and, wherever possible, not to BA. So even if this feed was relatively low it would not make too much sense for BA to effectively promote the BD routes by continuing to code share on them. Certainly regular travelers to the former BMed destinations will now be aware of using BA as an option to connect with the BMed flights.

I suspect that the agreement between BA and BD over Bmed (which included the transfer of 54 weekly LHR slots to BA) included some stipulation for a time limited code share agreement, particularly as BA was not only well aware that Bishop had a put option and LH a pull option on half of BD's equity, but also knew when those options could be exercised.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Is there any official news on this - confirmed press release or something?

User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

BA has much connecting traffic on the USA/Canada routes to ADD and KRT, especially from IAD, DFW and YYZ

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