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Northwest In DL Colors - Weird "Operated By"  
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10195 times:
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So I flew on an A330 in DL colors and noticed this sticker, but didn't take a pic. Then I saw it again on a DC9 I flew on, also in DL colors.

What on earth does this mean? I know they used to say "Operated by Northwest Airlines" by the tail, but this sticker was by the boarding door.




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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10164 times:

That is the certificate number for NW but never seen a number displayed like that so don't know.


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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

Won't matter in a couple of months anyway with the combined operating certificate.

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10027 times:
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Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 1):
That is the certificate number for NW but never seen a number displayed like that so don't know.

Trying to remove the phrase "Northwest Airlines" from the heads of passengers, while still meeting the legal requirements?



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

Single operating certificate will be effective by Jan 1.


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10004 times:
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Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 2):
Won't matter in a couple of months anyway with the combined operating certificate.



Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 4):
Single operating certificate will be effective by Jan 1.

Yeah I know this....still doesn't explain the sticker......



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9951 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 3):

Trying to remove the phrase "Northwest Airlines" from the heads of passengers, while still meeting the legal requirements?

Yeah good point, makes perfect sense and I would say you are right.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9901 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Yeah I know this....still doesn't explain the sticker......

The law requires that the passengers know it is a Northwest-operated flight.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9733 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The law requires that the passengers know it is a Northwest-operated flight.

- Not a stretch from "Delta Connection Operated by Skywest Airlines," US Air Express Operated by Chautauqua Airlines" or "Northwest Express Operated by Pinnacle Airlines." Just a way to notify passengers.

David



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9702 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The law requires that the passengers know it is a Northwest-operated flight.



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 8):
- Not a stretch from "Delta Connection Operated by Skywest Airlines," US Air Express Operated by Chautauqua Airlines" or "Northwest Express Operated by Pinnacle Airlines." Just a way to notify passengers.

If you were passenger Joe Blow, would you know that NWAA301A means Northwest Airlines? I already stated I know it's a legal requirements, I was trying to figure out the cryptic name, rather than "Northwest Airlines"



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

These are on all of the M/L planes now.

Also, by the cargo doors are a little red square. According to a memo we recieved, these are to help us tell A/C types apart. Whatever...  Yeah sure


In addition, on the DC9's (not sure of other fleet types) just below the door sill, there are now black "plus signs" on a white and yellow background.

[Edited 2009-12-14 16:31:53]


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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9563 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
If you were passenger Joe Blow, would you know that NWAA301A means Northwest Airlines?

- It is an easy step to take the first three letters (NWA) to stand for NorthWest Airlines.

David



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

From the actual FAR 14 CFR Part 119.9

Use of business names.

(a) A certificate holder under this part may not operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter using a business name other than a business name appearing in the certificate holder's operations specifications.
(b) No person may operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter, unless the name of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, or the air carrier or operating certificate number of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, is legibly displayed on the aircraft and is clearly visible and readable from the outside of the aircraft to a person standing on the ground at any time except during flight time. The means of displaying the name on the aircraft and its readability must be acceptable to the Administrator.

Paragraph (b) states it can be the name or the certificate number. In this case, they decided to use the cert. number. However, after the single operating certificate, these will be removed on all DL painted aircraft. The remaining DC-9-30s and 40s (remaining in NW colors) will actually then need a sticker stating "operated by Delta Airlines" or with DL's certificate number DALA026A similar to shown here or if they get a new number altogether with the single certificate.

[Edited 2009-12-14 17:00:44]

[Edited 2009-12-14 17:04:36]


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User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9421 times:
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I noticed the same thing when boarding an A319 yesterday. If I had to guess, they're moving towards these stickers instead of the larger "Operated by Northwest Airlines Inc." stickers in preparation for SOC day. That way, all they have to do is peel the sticker off while standing in the jetway of whatever city the aircraft is parked in on December 31, and they're good to go.

User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8767 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 10):
In addition, on the DC9's (not sure of other fleet types) just below the door sill, there are now black "plus signs" on a white and yellow background.

Those are jetway alignment placards........kinda like a "target" for the jetway driver. There is a black mark on the bumper of the jetway also. In theory, all you have to do is align both marks.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7482 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 2):
Won't matter in a couple of months anyway with the combined operating certificate.

Jan 1st.....onlu a few more weeks.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 3):
Trying to remove the phrase "Northwest Airlines" from the heads of passengers, while still meeting the legal requirements?

i would say so. As said ab above, the FAR will let them put the cert number on it.



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