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An Update On Alaska Air To T-6 @ LAX  
User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Prompted largely due to posts in another thread, here is a brief update on Alaska's planned move to Terminal 6. NOTE: due to the proprietary nature of the info, I cannot post renderings. In addition, some of the info posted may be intentionally vague. Finally, a standard disclaimer: info posted is subject to change.

Within the last couple of months, AS has submitted to LAWA a proposal for leasehold modifications to T-6. A combination of pre- and post- occupancy projects that appears to be one of the larger airport real estate projects comtemplated by AS. Key points/highlights:
[LIST = A]

  • Project cost approximately $140M to $150M.
  • Incorporates "Airport of the Future" concept in an expanded checkin/ticketing lobby. This area is the current location of CO checkin/ticketing.
  • AS Boardroom slated for mezzanine level of Satellite 6. Currently, the mezzanine is occupied by CO airport administration, LAWA utilities access, an elevator and stairwell.
  • Banked podium concept (used at SEA in North Satellite) situated around the core of the S6. With the exception of BPRs, gates largely appliance free.
  • Inline baggage screening facility tied to the new ticketing lobby and T-6/S-6 connector building.
  • (Partial???) restoration of arrivals level tunnel (from Satellite to curbside) to original function.
  • QX to be gated at satellite.


    In reference to a post in another thread, Airtran, Republic (nee F9/YX), and Spirit anticipate moves to T-2 or T-3.

    I do not know when an announcement will occur. I'm speculating that an announcement will occur shortly after the various litigants in T1/T3 carriers vs. LAWA and Alaska vs. D.O.T. have ceased legal exercises. There are motions pending for the issuance of a stay in both matters.


  • With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
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    User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10372 times:

    so if Alaska is moving into T6 ... I would assume that others need to be moved out of the way ...

    right now (according to www.lawa.org ) the following critters inhabit T6:

    AirTran
    Allegiant
    Continental
    Copa (departures)
    Frontier
    JetBlue
    Midwest Airlines
    Spirit
    United

    So which of those will be moving out?


    User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

    and what is the satellite that you are referring to? I was under the impression that T-6 was one contiguous building ... but then I am not too familiar with LAX (other than T-3)

    User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10328 times:



    Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 1):


    so if Alaska is moving into T6 ... I would assume that others need to be moved out of the way ...

    Based on the other thread, Continental and Delta (who has three gates in T6) would be staying, and UA would use gates as needed (primarily evening arrivals). I'd assume Copa might be staying too for departures, as I think they use the CO gates.

    That would mean AirTran, Midwest, Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant all move, most likely to T3 (though T2 is a possibility given that there are normally gates open there at certain times).

    For clarification purposes, I assume the T6 satellite is the area out at the end of T6 (where there are a bunch of gates with one pretty large seating area), and not the stem out there where the Delta/Continental gates are?


    User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
    Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

    It makes a lot of sense for AS to essentially move in with DL...The strong north-south network of AS (ANC, YVR, SEA, PDX, SJD, PVR, MEX, etc.) nicely complements the strong east-west network of DL (HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH, FLL, MCO, ATL, JFK, etc.).


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    User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
    Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10289 times:
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    Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
    That would mean AirTran, Midwest, Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant all move, most likely to T3 (though T2 is a possibility given that there are normally gates open there at certain times).

    What's the deal here? They just moved Frontier from T3.  confused 

    mariner



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    User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

    Some airlines could move into T2, which has a lot of space since NW moved out. But Alaska uses up to 8 gates in T3, I don't see how they can fit into T6...

    User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10257 times:



    Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
    It makes a lot of sense for AS to essentially move in with DL

    That isn't the primary reason though - the big thing here is that AS would have a FIS in its own terminal, meaning no more dealing with TBIT - a win for both the airline operationally and for its passengers.

    Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
    What's the deal here? They just moved Frontier from T3.

    It seems like there's been a bit of ping-ponging of airlines around at LAX over the past decade. It's possible that one airline might stay, but between Delta having three gates, Continental with four, United having a need for some gates, plus Alaska's operation, it might get tight. I'm not 100% sure in saying Frontier will be moving, but I wouldn't be shocked. T2 or T3 would seem to be a good fit for them, especially with the Midwest flights added in now. I'd assume (unless there is a lease coming up before the move) that someone else will be paying for the move, as should be the case.


    User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
    Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10210 times:
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    Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
    . I'd assume (unless there is a lease coming up before the move) that someone else will be paying for the move, as should be the case.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    It sounds expensive (whoever is paying for it) and it has to be a pain for the airlines that get ping-ponged.

    I'm puzzled that LAWA doesn't come up with a master plan and sticks to it.

    mariner



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    User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10154 times:

    Thank god. I can't wait to see AS get out of that sub third world T-3.

    User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9508 posts, RR: 52
    Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10129 times:



    Quoting Chrisair (Reply 9):
    Thank god. I can't wait to see AS get out of that sub third world T-3.

    Haha, nice exaggeration. Unfortunately T6 still a very dated terminal based on architecture and overall aesthetics. To me, they are about the same, but there is one huge difference. T6 has access to customs/immigration that UA uses. That's a huge benefit over T3 where international arrivals are at TBIT which is away from all the other AS flights.



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    User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
    Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

    Two other bits of info.

    One big potential unknown is in T-6 is the FIS staffing. To date, CBP has not been committal on being able to support all day long staffing at T-6(cut off is 1pm currently), particularly as they just extended T-2 hours from 10am-1am since AeroMexico moved over and all the begging of airlines like TACA with lots of nighttime activity. From what I gather the Los Angeles customs port district (which LAX falls in) is not being allocated any additional staffing for the next few years, so any T-6 staffing would come at the expense of other FIS terminals.
    Without FIS much of the move would be for naught.

    Also carriers like Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue do not have long master leases, and are basically month-to-month, so in essence they are indeed subject to ping-pong around the airport.

    At the end, I wont hold my breath on this happening too fast. The litigation that AS is involved in still is not settled with the carrier coming out only two weeks ago opposing proposed DOT administrative settlement talks and Circuit Court ruling stay that LAWA had requested. Things are still adversarial between the parties.



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    User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
    Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9998 times:
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    Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
    Also carriers like Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue do not have long master leases, and are basically month-to-month, so in essence they are indeed subject to ping-pong around the airport.

    My comment still stands.

    Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):
    I'm puzzled that LAWA doesn't come up with a master plan and sticks to it.

    If there were a realistic master plan, why would anyone need to be ping-ponged? LAX pretty much knows who their tenants are, big and small, it doesn't change dramatically.

    mariner



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    User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9737 times:



    Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
    Unfortunately T6 still a very dated terminal based on architecture and overall aesthetics.

    Dated? Yes. But my god, don't kid yourself. You're forgetting that T3 recently had no water during the summer after a pipe broke. That meant porta-potties and no concessions (not that there are any in there anyway).

    I walk into T3 and expect to see a TWA 707 sitting there going to Idlewild. The tunnel that goes to bag claim has lovely yellow tile, the bathrooms in the AS "circle" look like they were last cleaned in 1980 and the elevator that you take upstairs to the AS board room looks like it's something that you'd see William Shatner and Harry Morgan walk into during a scene from Dragnet.

    I haven't spent much time in T6, but anything, even a shack with a thatched roof would be better than T3.


    User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6500 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

    DL isn't using T6 very much in the early eveing when AS has a lots of arrivals and since they are partners with AS, they could probably let AS use a gate or two at that time.

    The big issue will be if the T6 FIS will be staffed or not. Like LAXIntl said, not much of a point to move if they can't use the FIS in T6.

    The777Man



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    User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
    Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9690 times:



    Quoting Aaway (Thread starter):
    QX to be gated at satellite.

    I assume you mean the end of T6 but i could see them trying to get QX out of T6 but i don't know were they could put them.....IIRC AA/MQ is taking over the box.

    Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 1):
    AirTran
    Allegiant
    Continental
    Copa (departures)
    Frontier
    JetBlue
    Midwest Airlines
    Spirit
    United

    Delta

    Quoting Mariner (Reply 12):
    If there were a realistic master plan, why would anyone need to be ping-ponged? LAX pretty much knows who their tenants are, big and small, it doesn't change dramatically.

    This is because A) they want to be closer to DL, There codeshare wasn't done when VX switched with F9/FL/ect. and B) they want to be able to use T6 FIS. At the time of the swap UA wasn't letting anyone use there FIS. Plus UA signed a deal where they got first call on the CUTE gates.

    Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
    DL isn't using T6 very much in the early eveing when AS has a lots of arrivals and since they are partners with AS, they could probably let AS use a gate or two at that time.

    I could see this also.



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    User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2587 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9637 times:

    If AS is now at T-3, they better get ready for vastly increased taxi times after a move to T-6. Unless things have changed since the 80's, most northern operations use the north complex. Doing PSA's schedules in the mid 80's, we were ecstatic with the move from the south side to Terminal 1 at LAX. Most of PSA's flights went north and the taxi to the runway was so short you were usually number 1 pulling out of the terminal. It was not uncommon for flights to SFO to arrive over 30 minutes early. The earlier passenger dropoff/pickup location on the northside is another advantage that a shorterhaul airline would like to have - moving to T6 increases drive times for passengers.
    AS may have other reasons to move to T-6, but T-6 a older terminal with a conglomeration of airlines, including mismatched podiums and gate uses that don't seem to make sense and longer taxi times for northbound operations..


    User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
    Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9631 times:



    Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 16):
    AS may have other reasons to move to T-6, but T-6 a older terminal with a conglomeration of airlines, including mismatched podiums and gate uses that don't seem to make sense and longer taxi times for northbound operations..

    T3 isn't any better than T6(IMO T6, while not very nice, is still better than T3) Plus they wont have to park at TBIT for FIS



    yep.
    User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

    Looks like there will be a lot of construction in 5 and 6 next year. T-5 FIS is moving and expanding to accomodate more arrivals and bigger aircraft.

    User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
    Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9479 times:
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    Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
    This is because A) they want to be closer to DL, There codeshare wasn't done when VX switched with F9/FL/ect. and B) they want to be able to use T6 FIS. At the time of the swap UA wasn't letting anyone use there FIS. Plus UA signed a deal where they got first call on the CUTE gates.

    I'm happy for Delta and Alaska.  Smile

    But that timing doesn't quite work for me, unless Delta and Alaska dreamed up the expanded code share in a remarkably short space of time.

    Really, it is no big deal - and it will be what it will be - except that it does seem like a pain the butt, and expensive, for some other airlines.

    mariner



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    User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9391 times:

    What's the expected timeframe on this move?

    User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
    Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9342 times:



    Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
    I'm happy for Delta and Alaska.

    I'm not  Angry

    Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
    But that timing doesn't quite work for me, unless Delta and Alaska dreamed up the expanded code share in a remarkably short space of time.

    good point......I really don't know why AS and VX did swap vs F9,FL,B6 etc. I guess it has to do with LAWA having to work out an agreement with UA about the T6 gates and FIS.

    Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
    Really, it is no big deal - and it will be what it will be - except that it does seem like a pain the butt, and expensive, for some other airlines.

    But if AS is paying for it.....i promise F9 wont be, then who cares lol.  duck 



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    User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
    Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9294 times:



    Quoting Surfdog75 (Reply 18):

    how much bigger will it be getting?



    yep.
    User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6500 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9237 times:



    Quoting Jrlander (Reply 20):
    What's the expected timeframe on this move?

    May 2010.

    The777Man



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    User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9135 times:



    Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
    how much bigger will it be getting?

    Not sure on the specs but looks like it's being designed to accomodate DL's codeshare partners as well as DL flights.


    25 DeltaL1011man : .....no one uses T5 anymore. AM just moved out. Though i could see AS using T5 as needed. (are they going to try to somehow make it so T6 can use it
    26 Mariner : I'm glad you are in a position to give that assurance. But I don't mean just the physical cost of the move(s). One move, fine, everyone can handle th
    27 DeltaL1011man : good point. hopefully this will be it for a while.
    28 LAXintl : One of the dangers of being on month-to-month leases. For long term stability(and stable rental pricing) airlines are free to enter into 10-30 year l
    29 Mariner : I fully accept that. I think it is a fairly cavalier attitude to the smaller fry and it doesn't change my comment. If LAWA had its act together it sh
    30 Sflaflight : But AS also codeshares quite a bit with AA. Does this move bring AS closer, further or about the same to AA's term 4? Everyone seems to be DL this, DL
    31 FRNT787 : This puts them on the same side of the airport...the bus ride from AA to AS was rather long, so this might help.
    32 Surfdog75 : I've heard AF and KLM mentioned as users of the new T-5 FIS. I know AF moved out a while back and AM just recently. I'm not really sure how there wil
    33 LAXintl : Issues with international use of T-5 go beyond FIS. Yes the FIS is small, and the terminal does not have a transit lounge, but the much bigger problem
    34 Tommy767 : i've flown DL and CO out of T-6. It's a dump. It's going to have to take a lot to bring it up to date.
    35 Jrlander : I don't see AF/KL moving over to T-5/6 anytime soon either. However, when AS moves to T-6 I really wish they would provide a bus connection from the A
    36 CODC10 : I'd really love to see CO get on board with any kind of modernization of T-6. Any time I fly out of there, when I'm in the connector building, I feel
    37 Hatbutton : Yes but do you remember the time AS was in the A gates in DEN and then got ping ponged to C because F9 wanted their gate and then we just got ping po
    38 Sflaflight : Pardon my naivité but how is the partnership more expanded with DL now? More flights, more revenue? and how is AAs ties with AA getting closer? Bein
    39 N901WA : Wow , T6 is going to under construction at the same time as T5 is going to be messed with. I hope its not going to be a big mess. It must be part of t
    40 Mariner : Ah, DIA. Well, there's a whole other weirdness, isn't it? mariner
    41 PacificClipper : That's why I love T-3, and T-6. Let's keep some Jet-Age architecture alive. I'm thinking some improvements a la what Virgin did on their side of the
    42 Hatbutton : It's on the same level as AS/NW used to be in terms of a great deal of codesharing and nearly reciprocal frequent flier benefits. There is a lot of c
    43 LACA773 : I would not hold my breath on this Surfdog75. T5 is not very widebody friendly and the majority of DL's Sky Tearm partners bring in heavies to LAX mi
    44 MAH4546 : It moves the two airlines closer, which is good since AS/AA are much more important partners with respect to LAX than AS/DL. AA's large LAX network i
    45 Sflaflight : Ah, I see. I wasn't familiar with the previous NW deal. Thanks for clarifying Hatbutton.
    46 DeltaL1011man : What they should do is open up the walk way between T$ and T5. This way You can stay airside the hole trip.
    47 Surfdog75 : Straight from some that definitely know what's going on at least with respect to DL. I hope AF/KL and AM stay where they are as it's a big PITA burni
    48 FlyPBA : if T5 is designed for narrowbodies ... then give that one to Alaska who doesn't have widebody jets
    49 LAXintl : that was exactly LAWA's plan a few years back during the Delta BK. AS was to be allocated the east lobby and all the FIS capable gates once LAWA evic
    50 DeltaL1011man : And just put Delta,who is larger in LA, out. Good plan.
    51 Commavia : I don't think the plan was to "put them out," but rather to put them in a place where they were not hoarding valuable gates that they didn't need whi
    52 Tommy767 : Some users give DL a lot of crap because they have built up and retracted LAX in terms of a mini-hub status several times in the past. Compare that t
    53 LAXintl : GDL (which happens to be the 2nd largest US-Mexico citypair) seems to be running seasonal having been cut earlier in the year, but back for the holid
    54 EA CO AS : U.S. carriers have found the GDL market to be a uniquely-challenging one to crack, FWIW.
    55 DeltaL1011man : And if they want to pay for it than good for them. Its not like LAX is the only airline that likes to sit on gates. Heck AA and UA do it ORD. Not har
    56 MAH4546 : You can still stay airside, but it involves a bus ride.
    57 AznMadSci : If or when AS moves to T6S, would CO still have a widebody/757 gate at T6S?
    58 DeltaL1011man : IIRC T4/T5 has a tunnel just like T5/6/7/8 but they closed the T4-T5 because they didn't need it.
    59 WorldTraveler : DL's operation is at T5 AND 6 and many of the flights you mention use 6, including the 744 to NRT. I was at DL/LAX this past week and it is quite com
    60 LAXintl : There is no more T4-T5 tunnel. The T-4 end of the tunnel was eliminated(built over) during the AA remodel. Yes small wide-bodies like 767. Larger mode
    61 Aaway : No, it's still there. Behind a big, steel door with a sliding bolt lock that's also padlocked.
    62 DeltaL1011man : right. DL doesn't really run one city out of gate X terminal X. They mix it up alot(save NRT which IIRC has only been using 68B Right, MQ does run bu
    63 IFlyTWA : I'm glad to see someone out there appreciates T3 besides myself. I would love to see VX take over the whole terminal and clean it up while keeping th
    64 WorldTraveler : two gates on the end for int'l flights is more than enough..... which is the way it was between 5 and 6..... again the decision is undoubtedly whethe
    65 DeltaL1011man : DL could have a good size gateway/hub if they want to. Gates wont be something that stops them. Plus you have a few gates in S6 for trransoceanic fli
    66 FL787 : It won't fit. Both the A330 and 77E have about 200 feet of wingspan and that's exactly what the alleyway's width is.
    67 DeltaL1011man : I wasn't sure. thanks.
    68 WorldTraveler : and you don't think DL would like to keep AA isolated from AS just to give DL a preferential position on AS connections? You need to think more devio
    69 Cws818 : Couldn't it also help DL by facilitating connections to the DL code-shared flights operated by MQ?
    70 CALPSAFltSkeds : Don't you think AS should have a say in whether they'd like the connector open? If it adds revenue to AS, then they should be requesting the opening
    71 FL787 : If you're talking to me specifically, I never claimed they were. UA only has 4 gates that can handle 777s/744s and they definitely don't need anymore
    72 DeltaL1011man : not really. Delta doesn't want just (just like AA wouldn't) any part of it. IF AA and LAWA agree to open it Delta will be just fine. No MQ will be mo
    73 YXwatcherMKE : For what I have been reading in this thread and from my memory of my LAX visit in 1996 it sound like most of the LAX complex is way out of date and is
    74 Lincoln : Every time I've been down there for the look-see (which, come to think of it, the last time I actually had time to go sight-seeing before catching my
    75 Cws818 : True, but when MQ moves to the box, I remember reading that LAWA will take over the busing operations, and that LAWA may not continue the busing oper
    76 LACA773 : It sounds like LAWA really doesn't want to deal with regional flights if they need remote parking and such.
    77 WorldTraveler : There is far more money for DL in connecting passengers to AS itself and in KEEPING AA from being able to connect to those same markets. Remember, if
    78 Commavia : I swear I don't know where this comes from sometimes. How is Alaska moving from T3 to T6 in any way "keeping AA from being able to connect" to these
    79 DeltaL1011man : WT you just don't get. You can't get it. If DL is looking to hurt AA, like you say, then why did DL give up all of gates on L(ORD) so AA can have the
    80 WorldTraveler : please tell me you really do understand this. The relationship between AA and AS WON"T change but the relationship between AS and DL will based on th
    81 Commavia : Thanks for the input. Simply a matter of ... nothing. That's what I thought - it's a matter of your opinion, and nothing else. Well, since Delta does
    82 DeltaL1011man : It doesn't even have to do with the LAWA/DL and AA relationship. Its a money thing. If AA wants to foot the bill then LAWA will open LAWA's tunnel be
    83 Lincoln : Whomever is willing to write the bigger check to get their way. I'm reasonably sure if someone other than AA or DL offered LAWA a large enough chunk
    84 The777Man : Keep in mind that DL puts a lot of people on MQ from LAX to other California destinations and if the bus won't run from the box to T5, DL probably wou
    85 DeltaL1011man : So LAWA is only going to run the busses from T4 to the box? IMHO Delta should (even though they wont) get a codeshare will OO/UA for its intra-cali n
    86 MAH4546 : There is no need to re-clear security as is to connect between AA and AS at LAX. There are behind-security buses to facilitate connections between Gat
    87 LAXintl : Here is the deal -- Currently AA operates and pays for the AE bussing. It has a fleet of privately contracted busses and staff for this. As part of t
    88 CALPSAFltSkeds : Since DL operates from both T5 and T6, of course they would like the connector open. The opening of the T4 to 5 connector means that AA/AS connection
    89 DeltaL1011man : And it isn't Delta's terminal, If Delta owned the terminal then maybe i could see it but its LAWA's terminal......
    90 LAXintl : Well technically its not LAWA's either. The facility is owned by something called airport development corp or so(forgot the exact legal name), which
    91 Post contains images EA CO AS : From today's Alaskasworld.com article: Station employees at Los Angeles International Airport don’t need to start packing their bags just yet, but t
    92 LACA773 : Thanks for posting this very interesting article and concept photos. It shows quite a few DH8s which is, just an example as many of those gates I'm s
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