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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11002 times:

Hey all,

Alright, I think I've got everything, but let me know if I've got anything wrong.

HNL:
ATL - daily A333
MSP - 4x weekly A333
DTW - 3x weekly A333
SLC - daily 763
SEA - daily 753
PDX - daily 752
SFO - daily 753
LAX - 3x daily (763, 753, 752)
SAN - daily 752

NRT - 2x daily 744
KIX - daily 744

OGG:
LAX - 2x daily 752

KOA:
LAX - daily 752

LIH:
LAX - daily 752


I'm personally a bit disappointed that DL isn't bringing the 744 back on ATL-HNL. Anyhow, I'm wondering... has DL over-scheduled their ETOPS 752 fleet?? So far, only the PDX-HNL is showing scheduled as a NW ETOPS bird, while the rest of the 752 flights are showing as the 75V, the ex-ATA ETOPS birds DL had pre-merger. They only have four of them though, and yet they are scheduled for six of them. So, will DL be utilizing more ex-TW 757's to Hawaii, or maybe more of the NW 75A/75J's?




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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10899 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
NRT - 2x daily 744
KIX - daily 744

Couldn't Delta find better uses for teh beloved 744 then vacation passengers to Honolulu ? CDG or LHR would love a 744 from JFK or ATL. How about DTW to AMS by 744, hey what is DL up to 5 A333 daily ?


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

What about SLC-OGG? Although SLC-KOA didn't work out, I'm a little surprised that DL only serves OGG from its negligible focus city at LAX these days..


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10781 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
has DL over-scheduled their ETOPS 752 fleet??

Over-scheduled as of right now - 4 planes, 4 redeyes and then there's a 700a HNL-LAX flight too that would have to overnight in HNL. But as we know, Delta loves schedule tinkering as time goes on.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
CDG or LHR would love a 744 from JFK or ATL.

LHR will not be getting anything but a 747-400 for quite a while - Delta is committed to only flying lie-flats into LHR, and the 777LRs aren't needed to go to LHR at all.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

Are these ETOPS 757s the old ATA birds?

A couple weeks ago saw a blurb in the LA Times travel section about someone that flew to Hawaii on Delta complaining about atrocious cabin.(old, dirty, broken IFE) (poster did not mention type, so could be a 767 also)



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10642 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Are these ETOPS 757s the old ATA birds?

They are (at least for the West Coast-Hawaii legacy DL flights).


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10451 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Couldn't Delta find better uses for teh beloved 744 then vacation passengers to Honolulu ? CDG or LHR would love a 744 from JFK or ATL. How about DTW to AMS by 744

How do you know that HNL-KIX and HNL-NRT are not the best use for the 744 fleet? DL is going to send the aircraft where they have the potential to generate the greatest amound of profit. Clearly DL has decided that these markets are better suited to the 744 than are JFK/ATL-CDG or LHR or DTW-AMS.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10383 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
How do you know that HNL-KIX and HNL-NRT are not the best use for the 744 fleet? DL is going to send the aircraft where they have the potential to generate the greatest amound of profit. Clearly DL has decided that these markets are better suited to the 744 than are JFK/ATL-CDG or LHR or DTW-AMS.

It may not be about the HNL routes per se. The 744s fly the HNL turns in between TPAC runs, and it may be that they are needed for the TPAC runs.

Regardless, you are correct that Delta has determined that the Pacific is a better place for these aircraft than the Atlantic.



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User currently onlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10282 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I'm personally a bit disappointed that DL isn't bringing the 744 back on ATL-HNL.

I'm disappointed at the lack of service overall. IMO, that's substantial underserving for most of those routes. Maybe someone needs to poke DL and tell them that Hawaii demand was back on the rise LAST summer. Instead of responding in kind, they cut more. Strange.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Regardless, you are correct that Delta has determined that the Pacific is a better place for these aircraft than the Atlantic.

I think it's more like NW has determined where the 744 is best fit.


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10270 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
What about SLC-OGG? Although SLC-KOA didn't work out, I'm a little surprised that DL only serves OGG from its negligible focus city at LAX these days..

Delta will end SLC-OGG in March and move the flight to LAX.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Alright, I think I've got everything, but let me know if I've got anything wrong.

One more coming, not yet announced.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10220 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
I think it's more like NW has determined where the 744 is best fit.

Who is doing the fleet planning these days?



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User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10089 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Are these ETOPS 757s the old ATA birds?

A couple weeks ago saw a blurb in the LA Times travel section about someone that flew to Hawaii on Delta complaining about atrocious cabin.(old, dirty, broken IFE) (poster did not mention type, so could be a 767 also)

I think that would be right. I flew on a really old 752 HNL-LAX this summer and it was awful. The IFE was mounted TVs throughout the cabin. But there are no air vents and there is no lavatory at the front of coach, so if you sit in the exit row at the front of coach you have to go all the way to the back of the cabin. It's not a big deal, but it takes 30-40 minutes for the flight attendants to serve the entire coach cabin. I flew the LAX-HNL leg on an old 763, but it was refitted with PTVs at every seat and it was very comfortable in coach.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9683 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
How do you know that HNL-KIX and HNL-NRT are not the best use for the 744 fleet? DL is going to send the aircraft where they have the potential to generate the greatest amound of profit. Clearly DL has decided that these markets are better suited to the 744 than are JFK/ATL-CDG or LHR or DTW-AMS.

DL may operate the 744 to honolulu since they do teh roundtrip from Japan but I am not convinced this is their best use. Japaneese passengers to Hawaii are largely package tourists, thus why JAL's uses its JALways affiliate on many Hawaii flights with dense configurations. JAL operates from from many regional Japanesse airports to Hawaii not only the main ones.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9657 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
Maybe someone needs to poke DL and tell them that Hawaii demand was back on the rise LAST summer. I

Do you think you know something that the schedule planners don't?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
I think it's more like NW has determined where the 744 is best fit.

The is no more NWA scheduling department. Just one scheduling department and it is called Delta.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9603 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Couldn't Delta find better uses for teh beloved 744 then vacation passengers to Honolulu ? CDG or LHR would love a 744 from JFK or ATL. How about DTW to AMS by 744, hey what is DL up to 5 A333 daily ?

CDG and LHR don't need 744s.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
What about SLC-OGG? Although SLC-KOA didn't work out, I'm a little surprised that DL only serves OGG from its negligible focus city at LAX these days..

moving to LAX.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):

Are these ETOPS 757s the old ATA birds?

yes.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
How do you know that HNL-KIX and HNL-NRT are not the best use for the 744 fleet? DL is going to send the aircraft where they have the potential to generate the greatest amound of profit. Clearly DL has decided that these markets are better suited to the 744 than are JFK/ATL-CDG or LHR or DTW-AMS.

I believe he is talking about ATL-HNL but still the same point.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
I think it's more like NW has determined where the 744 is best fit.

not hardly. DL has ALOT of slack in the 744 fleet. If Delta wanted a 744 on ATL-HNL they would put it there.(note not NW, Delta.....that part of NW is dead.)
I assume they are going to try to push the 744s into mod work. With slack like they have they can have a bird or two in mods during the summer.

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 9):
Delta will end SLC-OGG in March and move the flight to LAX.

right LAX-OGG will go from 1x daily 752 to 2x daily 752.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Who is doing the fleet planning these days?

Atlanta.



yep.
User currently onlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9346 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Who is doing the fleet planning these days?



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
The is no more NWA scheduling department. Just one scheduling department and it is called Delta.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
(note not NW, Delta.....that part of NW is dead.)

I don't believe any of you understand. NW has operated the 744 for over two decades. They know where the 744 is best utilized. How would DL know where the best routes are for it when they have not be able to do this?

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
Do you think you know something that the schedule planners don't?

I would have to say yes. It looks like the schedule planners need to read the newspapers.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9339 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 15):
How would DL know where the best routes are for it when they have not be able to do this?

But NW never had any reason to put the 744 on ATL-LHR, so there was nothing with which to compare. Now, there is.



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

I too am hearing rumblings of a new route to Hawaii. Unfortunately I'm not sure how they're going to pull it off, unless the State bends over backwards for DL.

On a side note... From what I hear from folks that are former NWA and are now working with ATL folks, they say than the folks in ATL are reeeally clueless with many ramifications within the Pacific network. From culture to logistics and alot in between. They prove that there is a lot to learn about what and who they got with the merger and that perhaps some in ATL ought to listen to their new colleagues that are now apart of the DL team.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

I stand corrected... The State of Hawaii wouldn't have to bend over backwards to help DL with the rumblings of some new stuff I'm hearing about.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9163 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 9):
One more coming, not yet announced.



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 17):
I too am hearing rumblings of a new route to Hawaii.

Alright, I'll bite. (I'm surprised there hasn't been more interest in these statements.)

Any more hints, anyone, or perhaps at least a timeframe on this upcoming announcement -- please?

Some random, preliminary thoughts on the subject: LAS-HNL? YVR-HNL? SMF-HNL? SAN-OGG? A new INT'L route? CVG/MEM-HNL (split, like MSP/DTW)?

bb


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9150 times:
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do we know if its service to HNL or one of the other islands??


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Here's one more thought. Is the a/c available for a JFK-HNL run?

bb


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

I'm not saying anymore. Other than it's something I had never thought of.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9087 times:
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Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 22):

well ya gotta drop some hints..........



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9025 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 18):
I stand corrected... The State of Hawaii wouldn't have to bend over backwards to help DL with the rumblings of some new stuff I'm hearing about.

Come on, tell us what it might be. Drop some hints, clues, or something.


25 Simairlinenet : The route is not currently flown by any airline and will be seasonal service. Press release should be soon (I learned about it last week).[Edited 2009
26 CALMSP : are we talkn 'bout service from the US or elsewhere? HNL or another island?[Edited 2009-12-15 12:43:11]
27 Rwsea : What about SEA-OGG? I thought it was only decreased to seasonal, not cut entirely? I get this sense too, especially with the game of musical airplanes
28 764flyer : You're killin me here! Seasonal for winter or summer? Is it from a US city to HNL or an international city?
29 Azjubilee : Think big people. Think outside the box. This announcement will blow you out of the water, as it did me when I learned of it last week. Stay tuned for
30 DeltaL1011man : Because the poeple nin Atlanta have the same numbers and can do the same math as they could in MN. Hahaha nice 180 Azjub. Doesn't AS fly SEA-OGG? If
31 CALMSP : hmmmmmmmm............must be AMS-HNL service........... haha
32 DeltaL1011man : AS does ANC-HNL
33 Azjubilee : L1011man - it wasn't a 180. My fact checking, which I thought was complete, gave me a surprise out of the blue shortly after I posted.
34 LAXtoATL : I do not know is this makes any sense, but it is big and outside the box... JFK?
35 764flyer : Hmmm...could this possibly be more Australia flying? Looks like loads on LAX-SYD are sensational. Maybe HNL-PER? Or maybe Melbourne. That IS out of th
36 CALMSP : i wouldn't consider that really big.........NY has HNL service from EWR, so I would tend to think that would not be it.
37 SESGDL : I'm thinking either JFK-HNL or HNL-SYD. Jeremy
38 764flyer : Well CO does EWR-HNL so it's not quite out of the box. I know the Chinese are starting to fall in love with Hawaii so possibly PVG-HNL. Our collapsing
39 BNAtraveler : Exactly what I was thinking -- with all of the domestic flights in, think of the connecting complex that would be afforded by doing this...and they w
40 DeltaL1011man : does DL codeshare with HA on this route? I would think that they would just send people via NRT.
41 Steex : I'll take my shot-in-the-dark guess. Given the propensity NW/DL have had recently for starting additional flights into Asian destinations that are ser
42 MaverickM11 : Speaking of which, whatever happened to HU's intention to fly HNLPEK? Hawaii is not going to be much of a connecting complex for anyone, anytime, any
43 DeltaL1011man : CaN wouldn't work from NRT on a 757....no way it will work from HNL. Same is likely for SGN.....IMO if Delta wants into the SGN market they would be
44 Steex : I agree with you - I was more mentioning them in passing. After all, the more ideas I throw out there, the more likely I could hit on the right one!
45 764flyer : Perhaps Mr Smartie-Pants Jubilee could help us with WHICH season this will run? That could help with the speculation. And International or Domestic ci
46 764flyer : And now I'm wondering if this discussion below might shed some light. The discussion started by pointing out that there are more A333s and 74s going i
47 Post contains links 764flyer : Guess it would be helpful if I posted the link.. NW/DL Bizarre (Impossible?) HNL Summer Schedule (by Transpac787 Jun 1 2009 in Civil Aviation)
48 B767300ER : Instead of operating two daily 767's JFK-TLV we will operate a daily 744 this summer to TLV. Will receive my recurremt 744 training in January and be
49 DeltaL1011man : But its not much better than goin via HNL. HNL:ATL,DTW,LAX,SAN,SFO,PDX,SEA,SLC,MSP NRT:ATL,DTW,LAX,SFO,PDX,SEA,MSP,SLC,JFK. Plus with them adding DTW
50 VictorKilo : Are their aircraft that RON somewhere in Asia (like MNL) that can fly a HNL rotation during their RON period, or spend enough time on the ground to ma
51 CV880 : Would be nice. Other options, BNE or MEL, not currently served from HNL, or the use of KOA from anywhere, which does have a long runway and customs f
52 Azjubilee : I think it's a summer seasonal, but I can't honestly remember. Think bigger boys and girls... think bigger! =)
53 SpruceMoose : HNL-LHR?
54 CALMSP : I did......I said AMS!!!
55 Azjubilee : Let me rephrase then... think bigger, yet think realisitc at the same time!
56 Simairlinenet : Yes, it is. Hence why I brought it up in this topic! It looks like I will actually be flying on it.
57 Post contains images Mayor : HNL/OGG-SUN/TWF/IDA/BOI, etc?  [Edited 2009-12-15 15:13:19 by mayor]
58 764flyer : As a crew member or non-rev Simairlinenet? And if the former, might help to know your where you're based out of?
59 Post contains images SpruceMoose : Awww... phbbbbbt! :P I've got nothin' but more guesses, so I'll sit back and watch.   -SpruceMoose [edit content][Edited 2009-12-15 15:25:14]
60 United1 : I'm thinking MEM-HNL
61 Steex : Well, that would marry the idea of an additional HNL flight from this thread and the additional London flying discussed in another thread! I am curio
62 MaverickM11 : That would be definitely out of the box but reasonable at the same time. CI used to fly that...
63 DeltaL1011man : I like it mayor.....Still think MCN-HNL is better though It could be LAX-ITO and simairlinesnet be based on the east coast. (BTW what isn't it is it?
64 LAXtoATL : I am just as lost as anyone else here to trying to figure the route out, but this ain't it. MEM sure isn't big and definitely makes no sense for DL t
65 AznMadSci : MEX? DFW? BDL? PIT? DCA? SYD? MEL? AKL? NAN? GRU?
66 LAXtoATL : Here's another shot in the dark... It's not necessarily big but it is out of the box... BOS ?
67 United1 : I would think MEM, just based off of connections, would have the ability to generate more traffic then say oh I don't know BOS....
68 DeltaL1011man : I had the same thought......then looked it up and at first it looked like a now stop.....then i saw 320 for the A/c and figured that it stops somewhe
69 Crosswinds21 : Ok, I'm not that knowledgeable in this field, but let me take a stab at this. I would have guessed something like JFK or YVR. However, with the whole
70 LAXtoATL : I was just throwing BOS out there as a wild guess. I was not saying that it would be any more successful than MEM - truthfully I haven't even bothere
71 United1 : Its quite possible he is right or that we are both wrong ....who knows till they announce it. As for adding another flight to ATL yes they absolutely
72 LAXtoATL : Excellent observation.
73 LAXtoATL : Will one of you put us out of our misery and tell us what it is already? Or are you two sitting back laughing at us guessing?
74 United1 : Very possible, DL also said that they would be looking at adding Pacific resort destinations this year.
75 AznMadSci : I was just being silly with BDL, PIT, and DCA
76 DeltaL1011man : Is BNE a resort destination? With them saything they are looking at LAX-south Pac I'm betting its LAX-AKL/MEL/BNE not HNL.
77 Tommy767 : I'm going to guess PHX or LAS for the wildcard destination to HNL
78 DeltaL1011man : you never know on here.....that would be one heck of a flight though.
79 Azjubilee : Sitting back and laughing... YES! However I cannot and will not spill the beans. Some of you have got the region correct but are yet still so far away
80 LAXtoATL : I figured.
81 DeltaL1011man : Can you give us a hint on Aircraft?
82 BMI727 : You are correct, but you mean 767-400s. I doubt CVG. There probably isn't enough feed left after these latest cuts to make it work.
83 B6WNQX : Can you at least say if someone has already guessed the new route?
84 Papatango : Can you give us a time frame for the announcement?
85 Azjubilee : Nope, nobody has guessed correct. That's why I said keep thinking big and outside the box. No more clues from me. Sorry.
86 1337Delta764 : There is no way it will be CVG. DL has tried CVG-HNL in the past using one of their 764ERs which were in domestic configuration at the time. The rout
87 Tommy767 : HAHA well lets be real here. It has to be a destination that has at least somewhat medium/high potential demand to HNL if its a US domestic flight. D
88 HNL-Jack : While I doubt this is the route in question, HND/HNL should be a very good route for someone. HNL - Tokyo traffic is all O&D with a fair amount of bu
89 DeltaL1011man : hmmm Are we sure someone doesn't fly it? HNL-MNL or HNL-GUM i could see......maybe SPN.
90 Papatango : I think the aircraft might be an A330-200 since in the investor meeting today there was a slide showing SFO-NRT going to a B767.
91 1337Delta764 : I'd be very surprised. Could a 757 easily perform the route? I don't think DL would bring any of their widebodies into ABQ. I know TWA once had 767 a
92 BMI727 : I doubt that a 767 would be able to carry enough fuel to make it to HNL nonstop from a 7,000 ft runway. BNE could be it, but was there formerly servi
93 1337Delta764 : And of course, the gates at LGA cannot accomodate A330s, so I guess it is out of the question.
94 DeltaL1011man : It is when you have 2x daily HNL-NRT and only 4 HND slots to go around. Delta still has to many 332 flights for the number of aircraft they have.
95 Simairlinenet : I will point back to one clue already given: There is obviously a constraint that exists today that will be removed or remedied.
96 DeltaL1011man : and you lost me. The 767 has the range to do it.....its the runway.
97 1337Delta764 : Well, LGA is out due to the runway length issue. Is it really ABQ?
98 Gigneil : Are the A330-300s on the routes Beach configured? Or are they the standard 333 layout? NS
99 United1 : Hilo?
100 BMI727 : There is only one configuration for the A333, though like all of DL it is two class so they are suitable for Hawaii. The A330s are C34 Y264 and the D
101 Gigneil : Thanks. For at least a short while NW had a beach market configured A330 but that must not have worked out well. I wonder if DL is going to reconfigur
102 AznMadSci : Or LIH?
103 Steex : NZ is still flying AKL-NHL, so if it truly is an unserved route, that's not it. If it's in the South Pacific/Oceania and isn't currently served, then
104 Tommy767 : I threw it out there but I don't think DL would do it unless its NM state subsidized or something. I think a 757 could handle it to HNL though. ABQ b
105 Seatback : It's Tokyo (HND). I would have thought they would use it for a stronger business route.
106 Cubsrule : With the timing restrictions at HND, the choices were basically LAX (which AA is likely to start), SEA, and HNL. As between those three, HNL is a rea
107 OA412 : Well HNL-NRT is a huge route and has been reportedly doing quite well for DL. Also remember that this summer the route is supposed to go to 2 744's s
108 LAXtoATL : DL cannot start any service to/from HND this comming summer. They have not even applied for HND slots yet alone have any to use.
109 SANFan : HND had already been guessed by the time Reply 85 was posted so that can't be it... bb
110 USAirALB : What was the config? Like was it domestic first seats with regular Y seats with no PTVs. I could see DL trying HNL-Kirimati (Christmas Island)
111 SANFan : Some other places in Japan seem like the logical place to concentrate now. Which cities currently have no HNL service and have not been guessed in the
112 LAXtoATL : I am starting to think maybe its not HNL, the puppet masters who are controlling this thread said Hawaii they never said HNL. I still have no idea wha
113 DeltaL1011man : out of those three citys it is the worst pick for DL. Plus HA may try to get HNL-HND and If it comes down to it, IMO, the DOT would pick HA who has m
114 Crosswinds21 : I was just about to say that too. It could definitely be something like an international flight to one of the other islands. I just hope that, given
115 OA412 : If it's not HND but is another city in Japan perhaps NGO, CTS, or FUK.
116 SANFan : And with this clue... Could we maybe read "bigger" as the "Big" Island; perhaps KOA-HND? Hey now, THAT would not be disappointing to some of us here.
117 Azjubilee : I love this! And there are some really sharp people here btw. People that read the whole thread and pay attention to what has or hasn't been said. Gig
118 Steex : KOA may very well be reasonable, but that would not be to HND. I would imagine it's probably KOA-mainland (SEA or SLC may make the most sense), or if
119 SANFan : OK, I'll buy KOA-NRT; the clues indicate: That says Japan to me; I'm not aware of any current constraint on any Hawaii-mainland service... bb
120 SANFan : If we go with the idea of KOA-Japan, can any of you DL/NW-Asia experts chime in here with the known summer 2010 schedule and speculate what turn sched
121 PHXiahSZXjnu : ITM-HNL, that would require Japan to change some rules.
122 BeachBoy : My 2 guesses: 1. LAX-ITO (based purely on the hint of "bigger") 2. NRT-OGG (based on OGG not having customs facilities, the reference to the State of
123 CALPSAFltSkeds : OK, I'll guess if it's a U.S. market, then ATL-OGG. International, a little bizarre, but I'll guess HNL-PER. Nearly 12k runway and sea level. Feed fro
124 Ocracoke : Too bad you said that, for I would have to agree with another poster that said Perth. No service from PER to Hawaii, nor any direct service to North
125 OA412 : So does anyone actually know when the press release is supposed to be issued?
126 CV880 : NRT-KOA is nothing new.....op currently by JO (JALways)
127 MAH4546 : Already done by DL to not-so-great results.
128 United1 : My Hilo guess was totally based off of "bigger" as in big island... DL already serves it from LAX.
129 CV880 : Possibly MEX-HNL service, with either a continuation or connection thru to NRT, which would possibly require a transit lounge in HNL? Is there an O&D
130 MAH4546 : That's a little too outside the box. AeroMexico already flies MEX-NRT, and the return segment becomes non-stop next month (MEX-TIJ-NRT-MEX). No. It's
131 LACA773 : Outside the box: Picking up AA's old SJC-NRT?
132 DeltaL1011man : I said LAX-ITO. um.....gotta have Hawaii in it. How about OGG-NRT?
133 Pohakuloa : Okay I have read through every answer and one I know was mentioned, but not seriously looked at though not mentioned non-stop was MIA-HNL or perhaps
134 DiscoverCSG : Yeah, wasn't there a war about that sort of thing? I'm guessing, based on the "big" hints, that we're talking about the "big" island of Hawaii, perha
135 IliriBDL : How about MIA-HNL? lol
136 CV880 : Penalties for short runway, plus no customs facility. A 763ER might work, but a stretch.
137 MaverickM11 : Between that and the state of Hawaii "might/might not have to bend over backwards to support it", ITO sure sounds like a good candidate.
138 CV880 : ITO has been around for years for the taking. UA used to fly daily from there to LAX, then TZ or AQ did it to OAK. It would seem like a good candidat
139 DeltaL1011man : IMO DL could get LAX-ITO to work with a 757 or 73H
140 SANFan : Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will be happy to!) but Hilo is yesterday. Yes, it used to be THE airport for the Big Island, with
141 CV880 : Sure they could and could have been doing it for years.....there's no issue with the state or airport that would have to be cleared. In fact they cou
142 CV880 : But KOA-NRT is already served by JO, and it was said that there was no service on the planned new route.
143 VictorKilo : How about CDG-HNL-PPT? Would be big, would kind of make sense when you think about it, (connecting to AF hub), the region has been guessed but not thi
144 UA2162 : The Hilo side of the island is not tourism friendly. There are a few smaller hotels that cater to the "eco-tourist" but nothing has been done in year
145 FoxBravo : HNL-PPT crossed my mind too, but CDG-HNL is a long flight with presumably low yields. Seems like there would be better uses for a 777, but you never
146 TWA902fly : Would Delta even be allowed to carry passengers from CDG to PPT... doesnt that make it a domestic route? For example I dont think AC can carry SEA-YV
147 CV880 : Maybe with a stop at OGG enroute to KOA, then nonstop back to ATL (to avoid weight issues). NW was doing that from SEA with the 753's as they could n
148 DLflynhayn : I personally would love this route! but HA would definitely kill us on this one.
149 N7371f : I'm going with HNL-Guam...rumors are rampant in DL pilot ranks that a GUM base is going to be announced soon. Rumor with most tread is 10 73H's based
150 CV880 : delete delete[Edited 2009-12-16 23:25:35]
151 DeltaL1011man : That wont be this route. Delta didn't open the GUM base on this AE, just DTW 777, NYC 765, MSP M89 and SLC A32. Plus CO already does HNL-GUM.
152 CV880 : There is a reference to this in the airlinepilotforums.com in the past few days, indicating that it's under consideration.
153 Crosswinds21 : So any word on the new route yet?!
154 B767erWinglets : Well I have a few contacts in NZ, and there are some rumors that HA will take over the NZ routes between AKL-HNL. I know its not a new route, but with
155 MAH4546 : It already continues to GUM.
156 Ha763 : Why have they kept this route for so long if it doesn't make money? The U.S. and N.Z. have had an Open Skies agreement for many years. There isn't an
157 B767erWinglets : Quoting Ha763. I worked with AN/NZ for 7 years, and HNL was a big player at one point in NZ history. e.g. HNL-LAX/HNL-AKL/HNL-TBU-APW-AKL etc to name
158 BMI727 : That might be a way that the route could survive. If one wants to get from New Zealand to Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas or other places on the West Co
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